Cimarron announces Colt pocket model .380!

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When Ubertis are discontinued, they go up in value. A prime example is the Uberti Colt Paterson, which hasn't been made for many years. They're worth a lot of money (if you can find one). The Pietta version is still available, but is clearly not as good. As far as shootability, Patersons are not practical for shooting, as attested by numerous negative testimonials on the Internet. But then again, the originals were not too practical for shooting either. That's why Colt's original Paterson company went bankrupt. The best thing to do with a Paterson (original or reproduction) is to keep it in its case and admire it. The first practical Colt revolver was the 1851 Navy. (I don't include the huge Walker as being "practical." The Walker was designed for troopers on horseback, to be carried in pairs on the saddle.)

Well, interestingly, I have a Uberti Paterson. You're right, it is not a practical shooter, which may be why Colt failed with it as Uberti decided to discontinue it. But the "practical" guns will ******probably****** not go up in value.
There may be exceptions to this.....what I meant was really intended to be a general statement, not a hard fast inviolate rule.
 
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Alexander,

So you are saying that the Dragoon series as not practical or the 1849 .31 calibers which were Colts most popular by sales and years of manufacture were not practical?

-kBob
 
Buffalo hunting from trains was a sport created by the rail roads. The Buffalo shooting from trains lasted until after 1886. No one threw their rifles away such as take downs and rifles that could be placed in luggage. Train tours to the West for hunters was popular until WWII. Many lodges along the UPRR offered Deer, Antelope, Pheasant hunts until the 1950s.:)
 
Now how's it work? Looks like a little Richards-Mason conversion job to me, but sans ejector rod AND loading gate??? :eek: :confused:

My mind is totally blown. My nerves are shot and I need someone to explain to me how this gun is supposed to work! How do you load the dang thing?? Is it based off any historical model??
 
Now how's it work? Looks like a little Richards-Mason conversion job to me, but sans ejector rod AND loading gate??? :eek: :confused:

My mind is totally blown. My nerves are shot and I need someone to explain to me how this gun is supposed to work! How do you load the dang thing?? Is it based off any historical model??

Waaaay off topic but I really like that avatar! Can't say I've seen that 'toon though...
 
I love my Cimarrons but in my experience I'll bet on an original Winchester with a good bore left over a Uberti any day.
Yes, but some don't have the cheddar to afford the pricey Japanese Winchesters.

Hopefully those spaghetti eaters (was that racist? forget I said that) can make a worthy '94 clone that doesn't cost a dang arm and a leg.
 
Cowhide, I would agree. The Winchester/USA, will increase in value in time. I doubt the imported reproduction will ever be a collectors rifle. o_O
 
Cowhide, I would agree. The Winchester/USA, will increase in value in time. I doubt the imported reproduction will ever be a collectors rifle. o_O

No problem with me. I like "users" and if it's a spaghetti rifle, I really don't care. I won't be afraid to take it afield and shoot some deers with it, that's for sure. A safe queen generator I am not. :)
 
So you are saying that the Dragoon series as not practical or the 1849 .31 calibers which were Colts most popular by sales and years of manufacture were not practical?
I would say that the Dragoons were still too large and the little .31's were too small. The 1851 Navy hit the sweet spot of size vs. power. In my opinion that was the breakthrough gun for Colt.
 
Buffalo hunting from trains was a sport created by the rail roads. The Buffalo shooting from trains lasted until after 1886. No one threw their rifles away such as take downs and rifles that could be placed in luggage. Train tours to the West for hunters was popular until WWII. Many lodges along the UPRR offered Deer, Antelope, Pheasant hunts until the 1950s.:)

After the Pacific Railway Act of 1862, the west experienced a large boom in colonist population—and a large decline in bison population. As railways expanded, military troops and supplies were able to be transported more efficiently to the Plains region. Some railroads even hired commercial hunters to feed their laborers. William Frederick "Buffalo Bill" Cody, for example, was hired by the Kansas Pacific Railroad for this reason. Hunters began arriving in masses, and trains would often slow down on their routes to allow for raised hunting. Men would either climb aboard the roofs of trains or fire shots at herds from outside their windows. As a description of this from Harper's Weekly noted: "The train is 'slowed' to a rate of speed about equal to that of the herd; the passengers get out fire-arms which are provided for the defense of the train against the Indians, and open from the windows and platforms of the cars a fire that resembles a brisk skirmish." The railroad industry also wanted bison herds culled or eliminated. Herds of bison on tracks could damage locomotives when the trains failed to stop in time. Herds often took shelter in the artificial cuts formed by the grade of the track winding through hills and mountains in harsh winter conditions. As a result, bison herds could delay a train for days.[20]

From: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bison_hunting
 
Now how's it work? Looks like a little Richards-Mason conversion job to me, but sans ejector rod AND loading gate??? :eek: :confused:

My mind is totally blown. My nerves are shot and I need someone to explain to me how this gun is supposed to work! How do you load the dang thing??
Looking at the video, it appears that the frame is cut away on the right side (an enlarged capping notch) to allow loading. But without a loading gate, what would keep the rounds from backing out? Maybe they figure that the gun's recoil would tend to keep the rounds in the cylinder? As for ejecting the empties, you would have to use some sort of dowel to knock them out through the loading notch. Or, disassemble the gun Paterson-style. This is still probably a work in progress, and they are showing a prototype with a lot of redesign left before it goes to market.
 
Looking at the video, it appears that the frame is cut away on the right side (an enlarged capping notch) to allow loading. But without a loading gate, what would keep the rounds from backing out? Maybe they figure that the gun's recoil would tend to keep the rounds in the cylinder? As for ejecting the empties, you would have to use some sort of dowel to knock them out through the loading notch. Or, disassemble the gun Paterson-style. This is still probably a work in progress, and they are showing a prototype with a lot of redesign left before it goes to market.

I see. I think I'd just rather have a normal gate and ejector rod. But like you said this could just be the prototype.
 
I was gong to say I'm puzzled by this too. The Winchester '94 is ubiquitous and cheap as an original. Maybe people are starting to collect Ubertis rather than Winchesters?

People will buy those for the same reason they buy short bed long cab pickups. Flash and glitter. That gun was flat out pretty. Out of the millions of gun owners how many doe you think are investment collectors. Just saying
 
Now how's it work? Looks like a little Richards-Mason conversion job to me, but sans ejector rod AND loading gate??? :eek: :confused:

My mind is totally blown. My nerves are shot and I need someone to explain to me how this gun is supposed to work! How do you load the dang thing?? Is it based off any historical model??
Actually, it is quite historically accurate.
 
midland man...Sure I do and have for years. I used a Lee hand loader for a long time, all that wacking with a rubber mallet was therapeutic. Now I have a reloader instead. Some loads get 30 grains of 3F swiss or goex, some get 35 grains. It's according which gun I'm loading for. If you ever shoot a SAA or Conversion with BP, you will never go back.
 

AH! So they WERE made!! :D

Of course, not in .380 but that's no problem. A lot easier to come buy and cheaper than some obsolete .38 cartridge! Looks like a fun and cute little pocket pistol.
 
Yes, but some don't have the cheddar to afford the pricey Japanese Winchesters.

Hopefully those spaghetti eaters (was that racist? forget I said that) can make a worthy '94 clone that doesn't cost a dang arm and a leg.

Whos talking about Japchesters? It wasn't me. I said a Winchester.

The pre64 model 94 Winchesters can still be found in good shooting condition for what these reproductions will cost. And in good condition my experience is those old guns out shoot the new italian guns. That was my point.

Miroku makes fine guns but I was not talking about them. I was talking about 'real' Winchesters Pre 1964
 
Can a R&D conversion cylinder for the Pocket Police or Navy in 380 be coming in the near future?

Now that would be sweet!!!
 
Can a R&D conversion cylinder for the Pocket Police or Navy in 380 be coming in the near future?

Now that would be sweet!!!

No, it would work poorly. The cap and balls are going to have too large a bore. The bullets would be tumbling if you just stuck a .380 cylinder in one. The current '51 Navy conversion in .38 special use the correct .357" bore diameter with the right twist as well.
 
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