City Folk move to country and find out people hunt there...and they don't like it.

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Jul 21, 2003
Illinois - The Deadbeat State,4_1_JO05_HUNTING_S1.article


November 5, 2007
JOLIET -- Early on a Saturday morning in mid-October, Christy McGovern heard gunshots.

It was 5 a.m., and she wasn't really awake yet. The shots went off somewhere beyond her home in the Sunset Ridge subdivision, a neighborhood off Caton Farm Road and south of Illinois 59. The neighborhood isn't far from a stretch of the DuPage River and a few remaining farm fields.

Every year during the fall, the Joliet police and the Illinois Department of Conservation police get calls complaining about hunting in the Sunset Ridge area.

McGovern worried a little with each boom.
"It really sounded like it was in front of our house, rather than in the distance," said McGovern, who lives on Carrington Lane.

Clash of cultures
For the past six years, McGovern has heard the shots on many fall weekends. Although she doesn't know exactly where they are, she thinks the hunters might be in the nearby fields looking for ducks or geese. McGovern has two small boys, and for her, it's a little too close for comfort.
"We are so populated here -- it's not a farm anymore. There are a lot of young families, and a lot of small children. Whether it is waking them up -- or God forbid there is an accident," she said.

Other Sunset Ridge residents told similar stories. Besides hearing the shots, they've found pellets in their driveways and lawns. One young mother of three who requested anonymity told a story about walking with her boys down their street, Parkside Drive. A few geese flew overhead, the hunters started shooting and to her horror, birds dropped from the sky. She immediately turned the kids around and went home.

They're not the only ones to notice the hunters. Every year at the same time, the Joliet police and the Illinois Department of Conservation police get calls complaining about hunting in that general area.

It's the classic Will County clash of the past two decades: suburban living butts heads with the area's still rural nature. People moved to Will County during the recent building boom because they could buy more house for the money and enjoy good school systems. But they sometimes expect the area to be like the densely populated and more mature communities they've left behind.

No illegal activity
But officers from both departments say they've never discovered any injury or wrongdoing related to the hunting.
"As long as there is a 100-yard gap between where the hunters are hunting and people are living, no law is being violated," Joliet Deputy Police Chief Pat Kerr said. "If anyone has any damage of property by pellets, we haven't gotten any reports of it."

The federal government sets guidelines each year for the opening of hunting season for waterfowl, said officer Dave Wollgast of the conservation police. The dates are based on the number of ducks and geese observed during official counts of each species, he explained. This year, the duck hunting season in the north zone that includes the area around the Sunset Ridge subdivision began Oct. 20 and continues through Dec. 18, he said. There's an early season for geese between Sept. 1 and 15 and a later season from Oct. 20 and Jan. 12, he said.

The less-regulated dove hunting season begins every year on Sept. 1, closes on Oct. 21 and opens again briefly between Nov. 4 and 12, he said.

"We get complaints all the time in that area -- from people about hunting, and hunters complaining that people harass them," he said.

Residents call and claim that someone is shooting at them, Wollgast said. But that's never been the case. Sometimes pieces of the shotgun pellets fall on nearby lawns or driveways, he said. But it's not dangerous. "When that shot is raining down, it has no force behind it other than gravity," he said.

It's against the law to interfere with hunting, but sometimes people will play music loudly or walk through an area to scare the birds away and foil the hunters, Wollgast said.

Carline Bronk, one of the owners of the farmland off Bronk Road between Caton Farm and Black roads and near the Sunset Ridge subdivision, has heard about the complaints. For the past few years, she allowed three men to hunt doves on part of the property she owns with her husband, Barry Bronk. But she only allows them to use one particular field that's not adjacent to the subdivision. And she monitors their presence, requiring them to telephone to set up the hunting expeditions and make follow-up calls when they arrive on the property and leave.

"We don't let them hunt all the time," Carline Bronk said, explaining that she and her husband have too much work to do in their fields. "We follow the law and can only have other people follow the law," she added.

But she also hears the guns and wonders where the hunters are. The noise is so frequent that her horses don't even notice it anymore, Carline Bronk said. She's heard that people hunt on the east side of the DuPage River behind some commercial buildings that are right across the water from Sunset Ridge, but hasn't seen them there herself.

Time for change
She also has experienced the suburban vs. rural Will County culture clash. Children trespass on her property to see her horses. Unwanted old furniture, appliances, cars and even a boat have been dumped in different spots.
And a few weeks ago, someone vandalized a car parked near an old barn on her property. All the windows in the red Camaro were broken, and someone jumped on the car's roof. They poured gasoline around the inside of the barn, leaving the cans behind. Thankfully, they didn't start a fire.

But if the hunters and property owners are obeying the law, what's the problem? Wollgast wonders if it's unfamiliarity with the sport. "Some people have never been around hunting, and it frightens them. They fear for themselves and their kids," he said.

Nevertheless, McGovern thinks it's time someone put a stop to the hunting that happens near Sunset Ridge. "It's probably not a good idea any more," she said.

Ms. McGovern, why don't you just move back to somewhere "safer" like the Westside or Southside of Chicago ?????
Besides hearing the shots, they've found pellets in their driveways and lawns.

I call BS. First, they wouldn't know a pellet from a hole in the ground. Second, the pellets that would be fired at ducks are too small to be found easily on a lawn, or even on a freaking drive way. Unless these people are combing their property with a magnet trying to find steel shot, I'm guessing this has just about as much merit as several other anecdotal stories that are brought up here from time to time about people finding "bullets" on their property, and then trying to use an unfired cartridge as evidence.

Put simply: They moved into a rural area. If they don't like it, move back out. The police have stated that these hunters aren't doing anything illegal, which means that the claims presented here are probably grossly exaggerated. Either MYOB or leave.
Nothing like hating the suburbs enough to move to the country and then trying to turn the country into the suburbs.
Happens all over and will only get worse.

Lets see... you move into a new area and expect the people already living there, possibly for many generations, to change their ways and conform to your idea of how things should be? That's nothing new around here.

A lot of metro heads from the densely populated ares in the east move up into the mountains "to get away from it all". Yes, they're changing the house they live in, the neighborhood they live in, the air they're breathing, the schools their kids go to, and the shops they frequent but that's about all they change. Not all but too many of them unfortunately don't care to change their social mindsets to integrate into the small communities. They don't take into consideration where exactly it is they "now live" and try to fit in or at least not go against the flow. They have the mindset that "well that's not how it's done back in the big blah, blah, blah". (While OTOH I can easily picture someone from the country moving to the big blah, blah, blah being told "that's not the way we do things here" rather quickly at the first opportune moment.)
A good portion of them weren't raised around firearms and thus don't like them in the first place. Then you add to it the fact that hunting was also not a part of their upbringing and everyone knows that hunters utilize those horrible guns to kill things.... it's beyond them. They've never understood, don't understand and don't want to understand the culture. They'd rather you accommodate them. Read: change /stop doing what you and your ancestors have been doing longer than this country has existed.

Once again it's not all of the transplants as some are fine people who embrace the life style we "natives" live and actually come here to do just that. But, there are those that want you to drop what you're doing 'cause they don't approve of it. I kinda look at it this way... You're not here because you were invited. Not that you actually need an invitation mind you with this being a free country and all, but the fact remains, you did not receive an invitation. If you don't like the way things are done around here you're as free to leave as you were to come here. Don't let Mother Nature's door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Lets see... you move into a new area and expect the people already living there, poss

Sorta like the illegals wanting us to learn Spanish. You live here, you follow our traditions and our traditions are hunting or speaking ENGLISH.
when do you plan to learn navajo? :neener:

Sorta like the illegals wanting us to learn Spanish. You live here, you follow our traditions and our traditions are hunting or speaking ENGLISH.
This is a huge problem for rural areas all over the nation going further than just hunting. Suburban yuppies move into the area and try to force their expectations onto the established rural community. One recent story involved a woman suing a neighboring farm because of manure piles that spoiled her scenic view. In another a new subdivision next to a farm was organizing against the use of a propane cannon the farmer used to protect his crops against birds.

In another comparable situation, urban renewal efforts in many college towns are resulting in suburban families moving into old neighborhoods surrounding college campuses where students live, only to be shocked :what: that the students are staying up late partying. The suburbanites then force their expectations upon the students, who are the majority in the neighborhood.

The problem is the fact that one's rights in terms of private property have dissolved over the years. You can do as you will on your property, so long as it doesn't "disturb, annoy, offend..." your neighbor. This is rediculous, allowing nosy soccer moms to force their will on others whether it be hunting, partying or farming.:banghead:
There was a post a while back about people who moved near a GUN RANGE that had been operating for years, and then wanted the range put of of business because the gunfire scared them! HELLOOOOOOO! You moved next to a gun range!

In Vegas, people were complaining about the airport noise. HELLOOOOO! You moved next to the airport!

Also, in Vegas there is a famous Pig farm (It was even featured on the show "Dirty Jobs") that smells like, well,,, PIGS! It used to be out in the middle of the desert. As Vegas has grown, housing has been steadily expanding, and now there are entire neighborhoods that have been built within "SMELLING DISTANCE" of the place. There is an organization of neighbors who moved in next to the farm to have it shut down. HELLOOOOOO! You MOVED next to PIG SH*T! What did you think it was going to smell like????

People just amaze me sometimes!
Happened to the Issac Walton range I used to belong too. People moved to the area, even named the subdivision after the range, then XXXXX about the noise. They didn't actually shut the range down, but they did force them to cut the activities back. No full auto fire. No shooting before/after such and such time, and so on. Eventually the value of the land rose to a point the club decided the hassle wasn't worth it, sold out, and moved.

And I don't know how many times I've heard, "We didn't do it like this where I came from." Well get your butt back where you came from if you don't like it here. It seems simple enough to me.
It is happening all over and about everything.people should stay where they were if they want to bring their way of living with them.Over here in ga there is a equestrian community where they built a new subdivision and the new people are complaining about the horses in the area.they complain about horse crap in the gravel roads ,one woman says the sound of the horses running disturbs her, o0thers complain about the smell of horse manure.And in the long run the new people will continue to complain and force the existing people out.
When we lived in PA I used to alloy hunters to get to the state land behind us by parking in front of our home and crossing the lawn. They were good guys and they asked ahead of time so it wasn't as if I let in a bunch of drunken yahoos.
One morning a guy took a nice 6 point buck and he was dragging it back to his car. My neighbor called the police and told them that someone was dragging a dead deer to his car. The officer told her it was deer season and dead deer were bring dragged all over PA.
Later on she came over and demanded that I never alloy hunters to go in thru my property again...... I'll let you imagine my answer, but keep in mind I never swear at women. :evil:
You know, Illinois published a handbook (no joke) to prepare suburban transplants for the fact that things don't revolve around them;

It should mention firearms and hunting, too. It covers topics like gravel roads, the fact that farm equipment moves slowly, and that people may wave hellos at you.

The best thing is to keep shooting ALL THE TIME where it is not prohibited.
I was telling my wife about this thread a few minutes ago, and she said, "It HAD to have been around Chicago." :what:

(She escaped from that area a few years ago herself.)

I had to laugh, and tell her, "Well, yes it was in this case, but it's happening everywhere." :banghead:
This is like the people here that moved out of town and build $895000 homes across the street from every QuanticoMCB firing range then complaine of the noise. I think they were told well move then.

If you do not like where you are living then MOVE. I think they do this intenitly so as to become such a pain in the ARES that we pack up and move. What needs to happen is we need to pack up and move yup, move right next door to her they just need to flood the area with more people who hunt and shoot.
Sadly,it's gotten to be that way everywhere.
When I lived in the mountains of Western NC, people would move there claiming to love the way of life there. And the scenic beauty.
Well, the first thing they would try to do was to change everything to suit their previous lifestyle. Including bull dozing off the tops of the mountains that had provided the scenic beauty to begin with!:what: There are very few mountains around here now that doesn't have houses piled on top of them.:scrutiny: Not very scenic now.:barf:More of an eyesore.:eek:
They real sad part is that it is getting worse.:(
And to beat all, most of the folks who have been pouring in here would have a stroke if they even heard gunfire. Let alone actually see on of the locals out hunting!:what: But they will be the first to cry and complain when the deer are eating their precious, high dollar vegetation.:banghead:
I moved to the country 12 years ago, in NJ no less. I built a small rimfire range behind my home, right off my deck. Me and my boys have been shooting there ever since. As time has passed, several new homes have been built around us, actually, on either side along the road. These newcomers are very suspicious of the shooting. One actually came over and asked me "What happens if you shoot a kid"? I told her "I guess he'd be hurting". She didn't much care for my answer. So far, my little rural world has not "banned" shooting within city limits like a lot of towns in NJ. I also hunt about 300 yards into the woods behind my house. I often ponder how much longer I will have that luxury. Now that my youngest just got his hunting license, it's a perfect spot for him. I hope it stays that way for awhile.
You know, some people have those "fly-in" communities where everyone is a pilot and such. I wonder if we could ever get a "firearms" community?

Nah, probably not, we're a bit too ...individualistic.. for it to ever really work. :neener:
I wonder if we could ever get a "firearms" community?

There have been a couple of those tried. I think they all went under in the end. They mostly end up being seen as "militia" or "survivalist" type places instead of hunting.

It's a great idea, I keep watching for one that actually works. I'd be interested.
I live in Frankfort, right smack dab in the middle of Will County, kind fo a hub for all the recent growth.

This kind of story has become an annual event out here. Some developer puts in an instant suburb full of McMansions on some former soybean fields. The guy across the road that wants to hunt his cut over corn walks his field with his 12 guage and dog and the new neighbors call the cops. It happens every year and has become an annual event for the local papers.

Last year one woman called the Frankfort police, then when they told her there was nothing to do, she called Jim Holland the mayor and he told her that the farmer was no threat and there was nothing he could do, so she called the Illinois State Police. Each time going on and on about "the threat to her children".

Then she called the local papers and the article they wrote made her look like an idiot, thankfully.

It's mostly a case of people not knowing the limited range of a shottie or understanding the whole ethos of hunting or about how much those "evil hunters" have to do with the conservation efforts that made the county so attractive to her builder in the first place.

The scariest part for all of us is that these people want the Chicago/Daley style of nanny state out here now. If folks like her have her way we will have Crook County style government in the next few years.
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