City of Chicago asks on twitter "HOW DO WE GET ILLEGAL GUNS OFF CHICAGO STREETS?"

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Very simple - stop letting criminals back out to continue doing more criminal acts. The recidivism rate is something like 87% - keep them off the street, crime rate will drop by at least half overnight. Then you would have to get rid of the corruption so you could actually keep the criminals from starting up again
 
Are they getting trolled yet? Any gems? lol

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twinny said:
On the recidivism thing, are you willing to pay 10x as much in tax money to keep them locked up? Are you willing to see 100x as many cops shot, and incidental injuries to civilians, because the crooks have nothing to lose by trying to shoot their way out of an arrest (vs life in prison)? Cause that is what you'll get.
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If the gloves came off, and criminals ceased being coddled, they would get the message. If they got shot for their crimes, by citizens defending themselves, they would get the message.

Nobody wants indiscriminate gunfire on the streets, but in Chicago that's about what you have right now. It's hard to see how arming normal citizens could make it worse.

In Chicago right now, in 2012, the only people who can carry guns are cops, criminals, and of course Chicago city aldermen. In many cases, the last two lines are blurred. In some cases, all three lines are blurred in Chicago.

The "city that works" isn't working very well these last few years.
 
Deanimator said:
What you've omitted was members of the Cleveland PD AND the Cleveland chapter of the NAACP volunteering to GUARD the victim's home from little Artie's mutant family and "posse". The OVERWHELMING reaction in Cleveland was, "If you don't want to get shot, don't try to rob people."


I lived in Chicago for twenty one years. I've lived in the Cleveland area since 1986. Chicago and Cleveland aren't even in the same UNIVERSE. Cleveland HAD an AWB. It NEVER had a handgun ban or anything like it. The Ohio legislature never had to pass a law SPECIFICALLY to bar Cleveland from prosecuting people who shoot wouldbe rapists, child molesters and murderers to defend their families in their own homes.

Cleveland is certainly corrupt, but equating Cleveland with Chicago is like equating a turnstyle jumper with Jeffrey Dahmer.
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Cleveland not only had an assault weapons ban but any and all handguns in the Cleveland City Limits had to be registered.

Chicago has always been corrupt and lately I am not sure they had much on Cuyahoga County but corruption isn't the point. Cleveland's strict gun laws did nothing to curb crime. Apparently the inept leadership never realized that the bad guys fail to follow the laws. Chicago is not going to legislate morality with gun laws any better than Cleveland did. With inept leadership neither city can manage crime so crime is conveniently made the fault of guns. The only thing strict gun laws do is effect the honest citizen. They have no effect on the criminal element. That was my point. Discounting corruption you still have inept leadership.

That would be my take anyway....
Ron
 
Cleveland not only had an assault weapons ban but any and all handguns in the Cleveland City Limits had to be registered.
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Chicago had registration... before they stopped LETTING people register... unless you were a cop or a member of the City Counsel.

I'm not defending Cleveland's gun control. I'm saying that compared to Chicago under Daley, Cleveland is the Soldier of Fortune Convention.
 
The only way to really get rid of the problem is to erase it all and start over from scratch. I know that is not an answer people want to hear, but the problem is beyond help. Thank god I am never going back.
 
How about making them legal and focusing on getting the CRIMINALS off the streets? (Idiots.)
 
Immediately shoot all criminals....give their weapons to legal citizens and you're good to go.....tongue in cheek?....maybe! This city is in trouble because it is liberal and this in its self is asking for trouble and chaos. What they need is a good "Community Organizer".
 
Deanimator said:
Chicago had registration... before they stopped LETTING people register... unless you were a cop or a member of the City Counsel.

I'm not defending Cleveland's gun control. I'm saying that compared to Chicago under Daley, Cleveland is the Soldier of Fortune Convention.
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Yeah, given a choice we are better off here than there. Looked at some of Chicago's crime stats and I guess those gun control policies aren't working out for them. :)

Came to Cleveland in '75 after Nam the Marine Corps sent me here as a recruiter. Kept leaving and ending up back here. Back in '75 I actually recruited in Rocky River and lived on the West Side. Chicago? They deserve what they get for the most part. Maybe they could use an FBI investigation like we had? :)

Ron
 
Chicago? They deserve what they get for the most part.
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They LIKE things the way they are. Why WOULD they change things?

Maybe they could use an FBI investigation like we had?
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What they need is a full blown Stalin style purge. The problem is, two weeks later it'd be as though nothing had ever happened.
 
What Rhambo is looking for is a consensus of antigun opinion, and justification for, similar to Mike Bloomberg's agenda, more federal gun control, registration and confiscation of the offending agents, ie handguns. NYC is safer than it was in the 70's when I lived there and it's not due to gun control. There is a better economy due to the hardnosed anticrime policies of the previous mayor. The neighborhoods where you wore sneakers or steel toed boots and didn't go into at night are now teaming with tourists 24/7 and college girls wearing flip-flops. Just my observation.
 
friscolatchi said:
What Rhambo is looking for is a consensus of antigun opinion, and justification for, similar to Mike Bloomberg's agenda, more federal gun control, registration and confiscation of the offending agents, ie handguns. NYC is safer than it was in the 70's when I lived there and it's not due to gun control. There is a better economy due to the hardnosed anticrime policies of the previous mayor. The neighborhoods where you wore sneakers or steel toed boots and didn't go into at night are now teaming with tourists 24/7 and college girls wearing flip-flops. Just my observation.
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The other thing is crime has just been on a downward trend in general. As I said to others I dont ultimately subscribe to more guns less crimes, but even the harshest critic's of John Lott have said that carry laws have not lead to an increase in crime or feared bloodbaths on the street. They even said that alone is an important discovery and that people cannot offer that as an opposing reason again. They of course say there us not proof of crime being lowered...but that matters to John Lott, not me. It shows that guns and carry are not the reason...other things are.

I think an earlier post about Chicago having a gang problem is the real issue. Guns are a symptom, but not the real cause. Until the real cause is addressed the problem will continue. I don't even mean just arresting/zero tolerance, but a multi front campaign.


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What they need is a full blown Stalin style purge. The problem is, two weeks later it'd be as though nothing had ever happened.
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Thanks, coffee through the nose! :)

You lived there so I have to take what you say as true.

Ron
 
Another way to look at this is why are people shooting each other. One of the main reasons is the illegal drug business. I have come to believe there is no way to stop illegal drugs. Very simplified, the laws of supply and demand are that, laws, not theory. We are unsuccessful in stopping either. Crank up interdiction, the price of dope goes up and the bg's make even more money. And drug intervention programs only help a very small percentage.

So, all of this brings us to a scary conclusion, legalize ALL drugs. Just look at Prohibition as a case study.

So, would the killing slow down ?

Not sure if the ability to go to the local Walgreens to buy a heroin fix is a good thing, but what we're doing now is definitely not working.
 
Kevin Baker at "The Smallest Minority" blog talked about the actual demographics of murders in America. The conclusion was that inner city criminals are killing each other and those around them. The rates drop significantly as distance increases.


http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2006/02/culture.html

Followed by:

http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2006/02/hubris.html

Pay attention to this one:
http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2006/02/weltanschauung.html

Not sure if the ability to go to the local Walgreens to buy a heroin fix is a good thing, but what we're doing now is definitely not working.
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It is if the goal is to increase government power by means of any excuse.
 
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Well they could start by disarming all of the politicians that think that they are above the law.
 
Chicago doesn't have a gun problem, they have a gang problem and that's the issue that needs to be addressed.
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Actually, they do have a gun problem.

The people the gangs prey on are not allowed to have guns to defend themselves with, and that's a problem.
 
tomrkba said:
Kevin Baker at "The Smallest Minority" blog talked about the actual demographics of murders in America. The conclusion was that inner city criminals are killing each other and those around them. The rates drop significantly as distance increases.


http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2006/02/culture.html

Followed by:

http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2006/02/hubris.html

Pay attention to this one:
http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2006/02/weltanschauung.html



It is if the goal is to increase government power by means of any excuse.
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Thanks for the links! Those were pretty good essays if I do say so myself.
 
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