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...From today's New York Times

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Clause and Effect
By ADAM FREEDMAN
Published: December 16, 2007 NYT
LAST month, the Supreme Court agreed to consider District of Columbia v. Heller, which struck down Washington’s strict gun ordinance as a violation of the Second Amendment’s “right to keep and bear arms.”

This will be the first time in nearly 70 years that the court has considered the Second Amendment. The outcome of the case is difficult to handicap, mainly because so little is known about the justices’ views on the lethal device at the center of the controversy: the comma. That’s right, the “small crooked point,” as Richard Mulcaster described this punctuation upstart in 1582. The official version of the Second Amendment has three of the little blighters:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The decision invalidating the district’s gun ban, written by Judge Laurence H. Silberman of the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, cites the second comma (the one after “state”) as proof that the Second Amendment does not merely protect the “collective” right of states to maintain their militias, but endows each citizen with an “individual” right to carry a gun, regardless of membership in the local militia.

How does a mere comma do that? According to the court, the second comma divides the amendment into two clauses: one “prefatory” and the other “operative.” On this reading, the bit about a well-regulated militia is just preliminary throat clearing; the framers don’t really get down to business until they start talking about “the right of the people ... shall not be infringed.”

The circuit court’s opinion is only the latest volley in a long-simmering comma war. In a 2001 Fifth Circuit case, a group of anti-gun academics submitted an amicus curiae (friend of the court) brief arguing that the “unusual” commas of the Second Amendment support the collective rights interpretation. According to these amici, the founders’ use of commas reveals that what they really meant to say was “a well-regulated militia ... shall not be infringed.”

Now that the issue is heading to the Supreme Court, the pro-gun American Civil Rights Union is firing back with its own punctuation-packing brief. Nelson Lund, a professor of law at George Mason University, argues that everything before the second comma is an “absolute phrase” and, therefore, does not modify anything in the main clause. Professor Lund states that the Second Amendment “has exactly the same meaning that it would have if the preamble had been omitted.”

Refreshing though it is to see punctuation at the center of a national debate, there could scarcely be a worse place to search for the framers’ original intent than their use of commas. In the 18th century, punctuation marks were as common as medicinal leeches and just about as scientific. Commas and other marks evolved from a variety of symbols meant to denote pauses in speaking. For centuries, punctuation was as chaotic as individual speech patterns.

The situation was even worse in the law, where a long English tradition held that punctuation marks were not actually part of statutes (and, therefore, courts could not consider punctuation when interpreting them). Not surprisingly, lawmakers took a devil-may-care approach to punctuation. Often, the whole business of punctuation was left to the discretion of scriveners, who liked to show their chops by inserting as many varied marks as possible.

Another problem with trying to find meaning in the Second Amendment’s commas is that nobody is certain how many commas it is supposed to have. The version that ended up in the National Archives has three, but that may be a fluke. Legal historians note that some states ratified a two-comma version. At least one recent law journal article refers to a four-comma version.

The best way to make sense of the Second Amendment is to take away all the commas (which, I know, means that only outlaws will have commas). Without the distracting commas, one can focus on the grammar of the sentence. Professor Lund is correct that the clause about a well-regulated militia is “absolute,” but only in the sense that it is grammatically independent of the main clause, not that it is logically unrelated. To the contrary, absolute clauses typically provide a causal or temporal context for the main clause.

The founders — most of whom were classically educated — would have recognized this rhetorical device as the “ablative absolute” of Latin prose. To take an example from Horace likely to have been familiar to them: “Caesar, being in command of the earth, I fear neither civil war nor death by violence” (ego nec tumultum nec mori per vim metuam, tenente Caesare terras). The main clause flows logically from the absolute clause: “Because Caesar commands the earth, I fear neither civil war nor death by violence.”

Likewise, when the justices finish diagramming the Second Amendment, they should end up with something that expresses a causal link, like: “Because a well regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.” In other words, the amendment is really about protecting militias, notwithstanding the originalist arguments to the contrary.

Advocates of both gun rights and gun control are making a tactical mistake by focusing on the commas of the Second Amendment. After all, couldn’t one just as easily obsess about the founders’ odd use of capitalization? Perhaps the next amicus brief will find the true intent of the amendment by pointing out that “militia” and “state” are capitalized in the original, whereas “people” is not.

Adam Freedman, the author of “The Party of the First Part: The Curious World of Legalese,” writes the Legal Lingo column for New York Law Journal Magazine.
 
...when the justices finish diagramming the Second Amendment, they should end up with something that expresses a causal link, like: “Because a well regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.” In other words, the amendment is really about protecting militias, notwithstanding the originalist arguments to the contrary.

That is not a causal link. The "right of the people to keep and bear Arms" does not cause a militia. At best it allows the people to have the means to form (either as in "to create, to establish" or as in "to come together as an organized whole") a militia.

That clause does not "protect" a militia from anything, for the free state could own, posses, and store the Arms of the militia and issue those Arms to the people at such times as it was necessary to call forth the militia. As a historical side-note, such was the way in several of the colonies/early states - those who constituted "the militia" but did not posses Arms of their own were issued state-owned Arms during a (usually) defined period of time that was allowed for the individual to equip himself with his own Arms. (see www.virginia1774.org for specific examples.)

I say: give the 2A to a middle-school English class and get them to diagram it. Then we'll see which clause is what! (They do still teach diagramming in English grammar, don't they? They still teach grammar, right? :uhoh:)

stay safe.

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Typical NYT crap. It makes it sound as though the only support in interpreting the Second Amendment is the foolishness about commas. In fact, that is basically a sideshow to an ample historical record showing that the right is an individual one. Only by removing all the other evidence from view can they even begin to reach the idea that the right is a collective one and even then they stretch the argument considerably.
 
Grammar aside, to get an idea of what the Framers had in mind all you need to do is look at the original constitutions of the thirteen states that at that time made up the United States. I think only two used language that could be construed as collectivist.

No, make it three. Maine's constitution said something about defence (sic) of the state. And many years later, when a court used that to rule against a personal & individual right, the good folks in Maine promptly amended it to make clear that an individual right was what they wanted and had always assumed they had. (Except in Portland, of course.)
 
Also, look at the writings of the Founding Fathers...all espoused ownership of arms.
And, 231 years of individual gun ownership should mean something, shouldn't it?

Just remember, folks...the Constitution and Bill of Rights are too important to leave them to lawyers for interpretation.
 
No, make it three. Maine's constitution said something about defence (sic) of the state.
Maine was not one of the original 13 states. Maine became a state in 1820 as the balance to Missouri in the "Missouri Compromise". When the Constitution was accepted Maine was part of Massachusetts.
 
According to these amici, the founders’ use of commas reveals that what they really meant to say was “a well-regulated militia ... shall not be infringed.”

That's one way deliberately to misinterpret the founder' intentions; what they actually wrote about the right of the people to keep and bear arms, however, clearly indicates they intended the right of the people to keep and bear arms means the people have the right to keep and bear arms.

Leftist extremists are the most desperate quibblers in the world.
 
Maybe they should quit fighting over commas and read the Federalist papers if really concerned about original intent.

And the NYTimes might be a little fuzzy on the Militia Act. Even if the 2nd A only refers to the Militia, citizens are the Militia (unorganized but well trained).
 
modifiedbrowning said:
Maine was not one of the original 13 states. Maine became a state in 1820 as the balance to Missouri in the "Missouri Compromise". When the Constitution was accepted Maine was part of Massachusetts.
Thank you, I should have known that.

That goes a long way toward explaining why the wording in the original Maine version was so similar to Massachusetts'. Duh!

Gotta be careful about playing that Militia Act card too much, though. The Militia Act includes only able-bodied males between the ages of 18 and 45 ... plus some special cases for women. It doesn't do anything for the portion of the populace with disabilities, and it doesn't do anything for us senior citizens who passed by the 45 year milestone "awhile" ago. I hope you aren't saying that since I am no longer a member of the unorganized militia the 2A doesn't protect my RKBA.
 
Likewise, when the justices finish diagramming the Second Amendment, they should end up with something that expresses a causal link, like: “Because a well regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.” In other words, the amendment is really about protecting militias, notwithstanding the originalist arguments to the contrary.

How can this guy spew out such a blatent "does not follow" error as this with a straight face?
 
Aaarrrgggg!

My mom reads the NYT online and prints out articles from time to time. She showed me the article yesterday, to the detriment of us all.

I practically went into hysterics trying to "combat" all of these thoughts she was parroting. I completely blew a gasket when she said "why does anyone NEED an assault weapon anyway" and didn't really know what an 'assault weapon' was -- she conflated the term nicely with 'assault rifle,' just as I'm sure the Brady Bunch and their ilk love to hear.

I tried to focus on the idea of "of all the bill of rights, how come ONLY THIS ONE RIGHT is a collective one and the rest are individual ones" but she completely shut me out.

It was awful.

I have no idea why but my passions sometimes overtake me, especially with things I believe to my very core to be right and just. My armor gets tarnished, but I try and keep it polished, don't ya know?
 
Article said:
...when the justices finish diagramming the Second Amendment, they should end up with something that expresses a causal link, like: “Because a well regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.” In other words, the amendment is really about protecting militias, notwithstanding the originalist arguments to the contrary.

OK.

“Because a well regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.”

I still do not see how that "is really about protecting militias, notwithstanding the originalist arguments to the contrary". It seems that you could still take that a different way. For instance, since we have need of a well regulated militia, but are afraid of any kind of standing army, the right of the people to keep and bear arms is not to be infringed.

He just substituted one argument for another, he didn't touch the Founders DOCUMENTED fear of standing armies, the DOCUMENTED view that the people were the militia OR the DOCUMENTED view that the people were supposed to be armed.

Further to that, I registered with Selective Service, so I do not see how anyone can advise that everyone who has done that isn't part of the militia... I mean, the intent of the amendment, the subsequent organization of the law, the armed forces AND the historical tradition of the U.S. are on our side.

Fact, the National Guard is under Federal control. The police are not militia's. The states do not have militia's. The militia act says we are all part of the militia. Tradition had THE PEOPLE as militia, as the army is always made up of the PEOPLE. For years the greater part of our history there was nothing beyond a local ordinance or two that regulated firearms in any way.

Either way you slice the cake, the people are supposed to be armed. Even if there was no 2nd amendment, how can you fly in the face of 200+ years tradition and legal precident?
 
Oh, mbt, we simulposted. You just reminded me of another point my mom tried to make in that she said that the 2nd protects the militia and that the National Guard is now the militia and that the Constitution should change as the times change.

I said there is already a process in the Constitution to change or amend it so why not just follow the procedures instead of trying to redefine what words mean?

She says that since we, the people, have decided that the term 'militia' for example has changed and become federalized, then that's okay and dandy. I said, in legal issues, words rarely change meanings for a reason. I said that a bunch of people can't decide to redefine the term 'murder' for example. There are procedures and rules to follow so that whatever words are understood and applied as consistently as possible.

Anyway, it devolved quickly from there, somewhat like a a big tear in the fabric of a hang-glider. It looked kinda pretty but it hurt really bad at the end.
 
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