Clean Your Range Bag before Flying!

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El Tejon

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June 30, 2006 I was flying out of Indianapolis to Dallas, Texas. I declared my firearms (4 pistols) and showed that they were unloaded, signed the white tag and made ready to get to the gate as I "only" had 40 minutes to clear security.

As the lady was tagging my bags she looked at my range bag and said "sir, is this [my range bag] your carry on?" I replied no as it had ammo in it and TSA frowned on that.

I went to the bookstore to get a bottle of water and newspaper as I reemerged I heard my name being paged to the ticket counter. It seems TSA wanted in my range bag (I use a gun lock to lock all the zippers together).

I went downstairs and gave TSA the key (a mistake I now realize--based on their light fingers hard telling what they could have planted on me). They were back looking at it like the apes on 2001, must have been 20 minutes.

As I am looking at my watch and doing nervous stretching, the locked door opens and 2 uniformed Indy airport cops, 1 TSA White Shirt, and 3 guys in suits and earpieces meet me. It seems they found ammo in my range bag. You know that empty feeling in the pit of your stomach when you know bad stuff is about to hit the fan? I now had that feeling.

Yes, of course, I told the chick at the counter and its according to regs (in the boxes). Well, it seemed that there were some loose rounds under the fabric on the bag. I've owned this bag for 11 years and over the years loose rounds--.22s, .32s, 9mm, .45s, .223, .30-30, .308, et al--have accumulated under the bottom of the bag.

They brought the bag out and showed me the "incriminating evidence" (at this point 20 questions begin--"who are you?" "Where are you going?" "Why do you need guns?" etc). I asked for a cardboard box, a female uniformed cop told me I could not have one and I need to show ID right now. A baggage handler gave me an empty box and I knelt down and scooped up the loose rounds.

"There, better?", I hoped. Nope, wasn't better. Apparently my other boxed ammo (they did let me keep my Black Hills .45acp carry ammo so at least I had SD ammo) had to be confiscated. They took my .22s, my .44s, my .45acp, and two knives--one a cheap Gerber and one a decent Benchmade.

TSA dinged me pretty good on this trip. Lesson learned: clean your range bags before you fly.:eek:
 
Sorry to hear about this (and sorry I missed you) but I'm confused - what did the Benchmade knife and boxed ammo have to do with the loose rounds?
 
El Tejon,

I know it helps nothing, but I'm quite irritated on your behalf. I could understand their confiscating the loose rounds, but not your boxed ammo; and stealing your knives was beyond reason and seems like it ought to be illegal.
 
Sorry to hear that. I guess they are unable to see the forest through the trees.

It sounds to me like the TSA as a whole (or better, "hole") has lost site of the big picture. Air travel is no more or less secure than before 9/11, it's now just more inconvenient. I understand the mission they are trying to accomplish but you can't build a house with a bulldozer.
 
Ya ET, WTH is with them confiscating your stuff. I would like to think I would have pitched a fit, but I guess picking your battels is prudent
 
ID, no, I know something was in the works. Better for them to take my property rather than me go to jail for "firearms violations" and "resisting law enforcement". I had only 15 minutes to get to my gate, I barely made it.

Punker, I do not understand their mission. No one who looked like me was responsible for 9/11. Even if I did look like the people responsible for 9/11, the people that committed the highjackings did not use loose ammo in their checked bags.

I remember that Israeli general, "the Americans looks for weapons, we look for terrorists." Sigh.

cordex, I'm going to warn people at THR to check their range bags, but other than that, I'm going to do nothing. I lost maybe $100. If I did anything, TSA could stomp me into the dust with time and money and make flying prohibitive to me.

I'm on a watch list now. No sense in fighting for such a small amount.
 
That experiences like these keep happening to fine citizens like our El T has made me resolve never to fly commercial again. I don't respond well to thugs, and I'd probably be unable to control my responses like El T.:cuss:

TC
 
While I understand not wanting to rock the boat. PLease reconsider. If the goons of TSA are not called to task they will (assume) more powers.
I try NOT to fly with firearms. If I do I make dang sure I have PLENTY of time. (helpful that normally I really don't care if I get kept off flight as just reason to complain more. ) I have had good results.
At least type down every detail you can recall and contact TSA and ask if this is correct procedure. Be polite.
Course I had loose ammo (ok one rd) in my jacket that I wore on plane and didn't realize it till day after I got to CO. :)
 
Leather, what could I have done? Outmanned and outgunned--not a strong tactical position.:D

Throwing a fit would have gotten me arrested or the guns re-inspected and I am certain they would have come back reported stolen. Or my guns would have been shipped to Memphis or Portland.
 
Tejon,

I most certainly see your point. The Israeli General's solution would seem logical to most people. That is the place we need to get to. What happened to you was absurd. The real travesty is the peoples acceptance of these actions as the norm. It really is a thinly veiled abuse of power.

Monkey
 
Apparently my other boxed ammo . . . had to be confiscated.
Did you get a receipt with the confiscator's name on it? If not, it's almost certainly a case of one or more of the officers looking at it and figuring "Hey, I can use that!"

Ditto for the knives in your checked bag.

Don't you wish you had some handloads in there for them to "confiscate" which would produce 200,000 PSI when fired? :evil:
 
Hank, it's not unexpected. In fact, I was rather relieved to be shaken down that way, rather than being arrested, seizing my guns and having the AUSA on Channels 6,8, 13 and Fox59 describe what a threat I am to the security and peace of the United States of America. Believe me the USA would have gotten a lot more out of me than a few hundred rounds of ammo and a couple of folding knives!:uhoh:

Asking for a receipt? Isn't that a predicate act for "Resisting Law Enforcement"?:D

200K PSI? No, I don't wish for anything like that. I just wish we could channel their energies on bad guys. But after a bureaucracy loses sight of its goal, it redoubles its efforts.:D
 
I'm with several people here. I refuse to fly. I have also informed my congresscritters and the local airlines of this. My questions is, when are they going to go full uniform for the TSA (jack boots and leather trenchcoat). Saying anymore will get into the realm of politics.
 
El Tejon -
Their "mission" is to steal whatever they figure they can get away with. Had the Houston branch steal the lighter out of my cigarette case that I had carried on board airlines all over the world with me. I guess they thought I'd let them have the case as well. I gave it to the bas****s in two pieces and said, "Have a nice day."
 
Leather, what could I have done? Outmanned and outgunned--not a strong tactical position.

I can understand not wanting to make a fuss when they had you under their thumb, but now that you are safe at home, i'd recommend firing of a letter asking for the written rules on confiscated property and what is required to get it back.

Also, who exactly 'confiscates' your property. Is it the airline? They are not a law enforcement branch, and while they can have you voluntarily give up whatever so you can make your flight, it's usually 'leave the fingernail clippers and go past, or keep them and take the bus' If the police are confiscating the items, you should have been given some paperwork because yea, otherwise it is going in the officer's personal stash
 
A couple of days before my last flight, I was digging around in my purse for something..a purse I had already made sure was completely free of any pointy objects or scary pictures..and felt something. No kidding, two rounds, way down in a pocket. I'd have bet money there was nothing in that purse. Thank goodness I found it.
 
Haven't been on a commercial flight in a couple of years now, and I can say with 100% certainty that I don't miss it a single iota.

:barf: on the TSA
 
I love TSA. What a bunch of losers. At my last trip, my 6 month old baby was "flagged" for secondary check. Which means they tore apart her diaper bag and and formula.

I had a good time watching from my seat next to the other "flagged" passenger. A guy in a half body cast and crutches.

Pretty funny if you ask me. A 6 month old baby and a cripple are "suspicious". I even informed the TSA manager on spot this was a waste of time and they were stupid. He was being an smart a$$ back and said "Sir, can you tell me what a terrorist looks like?". Told him the profile he should be looking for is "male, about 18-40 of middle eastern descent. Usually traveling with very little to no baggage and going one way". And if he followed that profile, he would have been able to catch the 19 something hijackers and 9-11 would never have happened. And also, stopping 6 month old babies and cripples was a waste of time and actually puts us all in more harm as it is diverting available resources on a wild goose chase. Don't think he liked my reply as he mumbled something and walked away.

If we made all politicians go through the same "inconveniences" that we normal citizens have to go through, you would see that there would be a greater cry for reform of the TSA.

Does anyone here remember who the TSA used to take all those nail clippers, lighters, pocket knives and used to sell them on eBay? Sounds like a damn racket to me.
 
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