Clean Your Range Bag before Flying!

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Outlaws, I know it's your old mare, but you're backin' the wrong horse on this one.

"We're such good folks that when we get bored we jump at any chance to stomp on people," doesn't strike me as a great defense of your old chums.
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Well I guess. I just take it a little personal when people start saying we don't need the TSA. It they want it to be reformed, then thats all fine and dandy....maybe then I will go work for them again. But to say we don't need them is like saying we don't need a military. Sure we don't NEED a military in peace time (outside of a deterrent..which I guess you could say the TSA still serves that).....but what about when the **** hits the fan? Its hard to just assemble it at the last second ya know?

I will give everyone credit, ya, no one is hi-jacking an airplane ever again in this country. I don't even think a sword would be enough, let alone pocket knives. Well, a sword could be a hostage standoff or a few dead bodies, but thats all.
But they still need to make sure people are not using shoe-bombs like Richard Reed, or using babies like the scum that does that sort of thing, or those loons down in Florida that weren't even Middle Eastern that just got arrested a week ago.

oh, and as for the "We're such good folks that when we get bored we jump at any chance to stomp on people," well, when someone comes through a the security check point and is asked to "step over here for a search" because they set off the metal detector, and they start making a scene like they are too good for it, you better believe they are getting every item full inspected....I personally would make sure they are getting the Nth degree.

The TSA is a job for most people. They are doing what they have to do to meet regulations. When people give attitude for no reason other than their own politcal beliefs, its like "dude, if you did this at McDonalds, someone would spit in your food. Just be happy I can only waste 10 minutes of your time."

I still hate going through it though just like all of you. And yes, a lot of the people there are morons.
 
I would have to say out of TSA folks I have had to deal with maybe 20% were professionals, 40% were just doing a job for paycheck,30% didn't care and 10% were on power trip.
They got on me (like donkey kong) three times. First time I was submissive and went with it. Few minutes later I realized I do NOT NEED TO TAKE THAT CRAP from folks who failed the "do you want fries with that" crowd.
Its too bad you can't lay hands on idiots. Course most fun is be polite/calm/inoffensive and RIGHT. Ticks them off to no end. Hardest part one time was not bursting out laughing at idiot. Even his co workers were telling him he was being a fool.
BTW I don't take off my shoes. They can wand/screen/dab/them if they want them off THEY can remove them/THEY can carry them to x-ray machine and THEY can return them to me. (I do normally put them back on) See I have this trouble with my balance I need to sit down and have trouble reaching my feet.
 
I'll add to this! Whats the deal with confiscating a Bullet keychain?? There is clearly no primer in it so how is it a threat?
 
Outlaws, just for the record, at no time did I give anyone any "lip" even when they were taking my ammo and knives. I was clean, shaven, wearing khakis and a Territory Ahead shirt and was using my lawyer voice. I was the epitome of Eddie Haskell.

The last thing on my mind was to get in a fight (either at the airport in Indianapolis or Jackson, Mississippi on a Saturday night).:D
 
El Tejon,
I understand. My first post said though that the loose bullets probably is what made the search needed. If nothing mroe than to remove those. But once they open the bag, they are not allowed to dismiss anything else they see that is against regulations. ie: boxes after boxes of ammo. Like I said, there is a 50-100 round per person limit on airlines. So if you have 6 boxes of 50 rounds, and a big ol box of 22's.....you pasts that number fairly easily. lol But ya, the knives I would have at least asked for an explination.
 
Actually each airline has its own limits and TSA is NOT responsible to enforce them. Some are 10 lbs of ammo others couple hundred rds.
I flew one airline that stated (max 10 lbs of ammo) I had 300 rds of 9mm. (forget what weight was but well under 10lb.) Airline agent said it was too much and could only have 100rds. (never mind I had printout from day before from airline website in hand) So I put my name/phone # on ammo and turn into airport Police lost and found. :) Ticket agent had to come with me as I was walking aroudn (non secure area) with ammo. :) :)
TSA said "Its not our job to monitor amounts of ammo you can put whatever you want" (likely why ticket agent stood there watching) So I got my ammo back two weeks later and just had to buy some in FL.
 
Outlaws, the loose ammo was unknown to everyone (including me). I do not know what made the search "necessary". I had declared my firearms to the airline agent and told her I had ammunition in my locked range bag.

It was my understanding (yes, I had the printout from the airline's website in my gym bag's [my carry on] side pocket) that I was well within the airline's limits for ammunition. Note that at no time did any TSA agent or uniformed airport cop mention that I had "too much ammunition".
 
Outlaws, the loose ammo was unknown to everyone (including me). I do not know what made the search "necessary".
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I don't get it? Checked baggage still goes through an x-ray machine (now they even have explosive compound detecting x-ray machines). So they see guns and what looks like loose bullets. AThat warrents a bag check. Also, ammunition needs to be inside the locked hardshell gun case, not just in your bag.
 
So are you saying that while you are standing there they just removed a few boxes of ammo and left you the 45's and took your knives and you didn't ask why you could keep the 45's but not the rest or the knives? I would bet the bullets weren't inside a locked hardshell? I still can't explain the knives though.
 
Tropical Z said:
I payed attention to people in front of me on the last few flights and they rarely have to remove their shoes. Why am I singled out.....I don't know.
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Any resembelance?:

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Gday,
Australian shooters cop a lot af flak for "letting" our gun laws get passed. I am horriffied though at what is happening in the "land of the free"-pretty soon it is going to be like 1984 and the worst of Cold War/MaCarthyism put together- the worst thing is that our PM wants it to be like that over here too.
 
The fun part about the TSA is that it is totally useless and unnecessary. "Terrorists" aren't going to be able to take over a flying Greyhound again - the passengers won't allow it.
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:banghead: Right. So lets let them blow it up instead.
 
This is just one more incident that reinforces my personal no-fly policy. As a Navy contractor I fly for a living but I never fly commercial. When I fly I take my personal survival gear which includes a knife as well as other EDC gear which would be frowned upon by TSA.

I travel by car. I'd rather spend two days on the road than two hours in the air with a cattlecar of other subjects. I'm not limited wrt how much baggage I can carry, how many guns or how much ammo is in the GI ammocans in the back of my truck. Nobody inspects my bags or cares even a little bit what I packed. YMMV (I get about 22MPG)
 
RD,

I had to fly back to CONUS from Bahrain comm air carrying my CMU-33 (airsave vest) with all gear minus flares. One way ticket on short notice.

Bahrain-AbuDahbi-Amsterdam-Detroit-Jacksonville.

Can you guess where I ran into trouble?

Monday, I have to fly up to DamNeck to test a simulator. Short notice round trip. I am NOT looking forward to TSA.

I would rather ride or take a 60 up, but skipper says, you fly SWA.
 
Outlaws, perhaps I did not explain as clearly as I should have. My guns (4 pistols, a SW M17, SW M629, a Ruger 22/45 and a Les Baer TRS) are in a hard shell Pelican carry case. The ammunition is in my Waller range bag. Two separate bags. The guns and ammo are not together in any way.

I removed the ammo, both the loose rounds which I unknowning had in the bottom of the bag as well as the boxed ammo, placing it in the same cardboard box. The TSA lead agent (the one doing the talking) let me keep one (1) box of Black Hills .45acp. The knives were gone before they brought me the bag out from the back.

I did not ask why they wanted my ammo or my knives. I knew that asking questions was not in my best interests and would be construed as "resisting" having represented many individuals who talked themselves into jail, I knew the fact pattern trail I was on (any excuse to wrestle me to the ground would have brought me there). I had a plane to catch and did not want to sit in the detention center for 8 hours and then spend the weekend at federal lock up downtown Indy.

Crosshair, I am sorry, I do not know the name of the Israeli for any citation. maybe Mr. Google does?
 
Waitone, the more I would have bothered them, the greater my chance of going to jail, or missing my flight. Reread Outlaws posts--I had already stirred up the hornets' nest (like Donkey Kong).

$100 was an inexpensive street fine. I've been shaken harder in Boston, New York City or Chicago. Being clean and dressing sharp makes you a smaller profile for jail, but marks you for shaking.:D
 
...you are limited to 50-100 rounds per person if I recall (and two guns in one case).
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Completely untrue. There is no federal or TSA regulation regarding how much ammo or how many firearms you can transport. Nor do the regs say your ammo must be inside the gun case. Any regulations regarding quantity of ammo are airline regulations only.

The TSA is a bunch of otherwise-unemployable goons. The agency should be disbanded and the higher-ups belong in prison on Hatch Act violations.

- Chris
 
Posted. " Also, ammunition needs to be inside the locked hardshell gun case, not just in your bag"

This is NOT TRUE. All ammo has to be is in a DOT approved container. The box you bought ammo in is good enough. Normally aftermarket ammo boxes are ok. (Course with TSA its anyones guess) I always TAPE cardboard boxed shut. Guess what I have had loose ammo when I unpack. Yep TSA searched my bag and CUT tape and left ammo loose. IF I had connecting flight odds are I would have been in trouble/lost ammo.
Ammo can NOT be in mags. Empty mags can be in gun but NO AMMO in mags/cylinder/gun.
 
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