guess it boils down to what you want. Do you want an inaccurate, durable rifle you can give to your grandchildren (so they, too, can miss what they're aiming at),
You have no location on your profile. Do you happen to be in the South, where I can embarrass you with my "inaccurate" Mini? I hope so. Maybe you missed the part about me killing coyotes at 300 yards plus? Anyone ever killed a coyote (or anything else) with a SU, or you guys all bought closet queens? No .223 that makes hits at 300 yards is inaccurate. Talk about hyperbole!
And for the 100th time, the best mags for Mini-14's are PMI mags, not Ramline. Do a search. Some even speculate that PMI mags ARE factory mags. People have reported feed problems with most every other brand.
Metal mags suck IMHO. I don't know how PMIs are better than Ramlines, Ramlines have fed over 500 rds thru my Mini with 100% reliability. Hard to beat a perfect record.
Why can't we compare new to new? I'd guess because the Kel Tec is cheaper new.
We can , both guns MSRP is over $600. I think Kel-Tec is $675ish, Minis are about $650. That CDNN couldn't find a sucker to give more than $400 speaks volumes to me about SUs, and the suckers who buy them. Why can't we compare used to used? I guess because there are no used SUs! Maybe that is because they haven't been on the market for more than a year, which makes them unproven as hell when you compare them to my 25 year old, 3MOA Mini.
And how can the Alpha model epitomize cheap build, but not the Bravo? Aside from the barrels and sights (which can be retrofitted), they're the same. The SU-16 comes with a rail (no need for the B-Square), but the Ranch comes with rings. Wash.
The front sight on my Sub2000 was the first thing to break. I broke it by trying to loosed the set screw that held the plastic front sight blade in place. So, the sight was precisely what I was talking about. My Mini isn't a Ranch Rifle so I have a better rear sight, and the option of irons and a red dot sight or scope. When I get my scout mount I'll have irons, red dot, and scope all at the same time. I am not a big fan of ruger rings, they don't let you use irons, and sighting redundancy is important to me. For one thing I like to change sights frequently and zeroing is a lot easier when you already have one set of sights that are correct.
Even though the ban is over, you can’t get cheap decent standard capacity magazines for your mini, though you can for the su16. I would love to get a su16 for a easily transportable rifle.
Damn, news to me, I got two 30 rd Ramlines for $20 a pop since the sunset. If you can't afford a $20 mag, how you gonna afford cartridges?
The mini looks nicer to me when its in a decent synthetic stock or wood, but the aftermarket folding stocks make it feel like a broken cheap toy.
yeah, choate and ramline are known for making cheap junk
Ya'll go ahead and buy some SUs, maybe Mini's prices will drop and I'll get two or three more. Changing AR uppers won't mean ???? to me if for the same $$ I can have a 1MOA Mini, and a 3MOA Mini folder.