CMP Garand

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I am considering getting a garand from the cmp

Rack Grade $445
Field Grade $495
Service Grade $595


What is the difference here and what does each step up get me

I guess what im saying is is it worth the 50-150 extra bucks to go up a grade or two
 
The service grade is worth it. You will get a rifle that is ready to shoot. If you plan to send it to a smith for a work over, I would get the rack grade.

The grading guidelines are explained on their website much better than I can do it.
 
Read the descriptions of the grades on the CMP web site. Pretty much sums it up.
I strongly suggest the Service Grade
Go to the CMP forum and read some of the posts there.
It will give you a idea what the Service grades are like
 
If you want to shoot it then you should get a service grade. However, if you can make it to a store you stand a good chance of finding a field grade in pretty good shape that would probably be reasonably accurate.
 
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FG and SG. Both shoot great and I can't remember which is which without looking at the paperwork. Luck of the draw, I guess.

Tinpig
 
"...Read the descriptions of the grades on the CMP web site..." Absolutely. Scroll down.
http://www.thecmp.org/m1garand.htm
"...what does each step up get me..." You get a manual and one clip with any of 'em. It's a condition thing, but you know the rifle is safe to shoot. "inspected, headspaced, repaired if necessary and test fired for function."
This is what is done. http://www.odcmp.com/Services/Rifles/inspect.htm
Then go with the Service Grade. And don't muck about making the decision. There's only one manufacturer left.
 
As said above.

If you can't go to one of their stores, then buy the service grade.

You can pick up a great deal of good information on their forums.

Service grade Springfield Armory, received last July. A lot of it is the luck of the draw on looks, but their customer service is excellent. You should be able to get a good shooter with a service grade.

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if its just for the sake of having an m1 id get a rack but i also like fixing up guns so that just me


most get the service and are very happy with it
 
Oh God..There's Tiger

I never miss an chance to shamelessly post that photo at every opportunity. :p

Kinda hard to fix up a shot out barrel but if ya can get a racker that isn't shot out they can be fun projects

Which is why many recommend picking a rack grade out in person at one of the stores. My problem is that I live almost in the middle between the two stores. However some day I would like to make the once in a lifetime pilgrimage, and pick out a nice rack grade with a good barrel.
 
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I would say that maybe 90% of the CMP rifles I see posted by happy owners in the forums look real nice. Some look great. I must be unlucky or the CMP folks have it in for me. Both of my CMP rifles looked like hell. I bought the HRA from the mid 1950s because others said these tend to be nicer than the WW II vets. Well, mine looked like it was dragged behind a truck over 10 miles of bad roads.

I sold one rather than spend many hours trying to salvage it and the other now has about 10 hours of labor invested trying to improve the appearance of the stock. But after much steaming and sanding it still looks worse than what I wanted, which was a decent shooter.

I bought the SGs, and they looked more like RGs to me. Everyone says "read the grade descriptions." OK, read them. Except for a couple words in the last sentence of the RG text (the rack grade will generally be rougher) they are virtually identical, word for word, actually. The photos I see posted by other owners all show rifles that look much better than what I received.

If I were to buy another CMP rifle (and I won't) I would probably order the rack grade and plan on buying a replacement stock for it. But that's me. I wanted decent (not perfect, I know they won't be new) wood and buying a new stock solves that problem. I hate to spend the money now after doing all that work on the old one but I may still do it.

Or, just count on being (unlike me) in the 90% who get good ones.

Here is where a bunch of guys jump in to defend the CMP products. Well, I am only reporting my experiences.
 
The Grades are more on barrel wear than looks. Rack Grades will have shot out barrels for the most part.
They are surplus rifles that many have seen action and you should expect to do some work to the wood.
If you want one that you dont have to do any work get a Service Grade and ask for a commercial stock or geta Special Grade or wait until the Correct Grades come back
I have made many purcases from CMP and never been dissapointed yet but I have realistsic expectations

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Here is where a bunch of guys jump in to defend the CMP products. Well, I am only reporting my experiences.

I won't argue with you one bit. I'm sure that you accurately described your experience. And it's the same reason why I don't buy lottery tickets. ;)

I think (even though I've been lucky and gotten a nice one) that the best thing to do is to go to one of the stores and pick one out in person.
 
I believe that CMP has been struggling to find decent GI wood for quite a while now. Getting a Service Grade will insure that the metal is good, especially the bore. Wood is easy to replace and readily available unless you're wanting a collectible.

Best of luck in whatever you choose.
 
By mail I would go for the Service Grade...at N. Store I have found 2 nice Field Grades.....did someone say..."Tiger"....?
 
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My service grade Springfield (the receiver is a Springfield but most of the parts are actually HRA) came about 6 weeks ago. Am waiting for the weather to warm up so that I can shoot it, but the metal parts are all in great shape. The stock is walnut and will need to be refinished, but it is in tact and the hand guards match the stock pretty well.

The thing to remember with buying a Garand from CMP is that you are buying a rifle that is the veteran of at least one (and likely two) wars with US forces and who knows what it went through in its time with allies. You are not buying a new rifle, you are buying a used battle rifle that is every bit as good at shooting the enemy as it is turning it around clubbing them with it. It's built like a tank, but it is 60 years old and were replaced for several reasons. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't trade my Garand for anything except maybe another Garand, but don't think that you're getting a new, modern gun.
 
Orlando- Ahhh... the old "unreasonable expectations" comment.

Sorry, I felt my expectations were reasonable. If I had received a rifle half as nice as any you posted I would have been happy.

I got trash. I did not expect perfection, or nearly new, or even nice. All I wanted was good. Not great, good.

I didn't get it.
 
I got trash. I did not expect perfection, or nearly new, or even nice. All I wanted was good. Not great, good.

SaxonPig-
I recieved one rifle from CMP, not an M1, that had a hairline crack in the stock. Upon contacting them they were more were willing to do whatever necessary to take care of the problem. Did you not have any luck with their customer service department?
 
From what I've read here and other places, the rack and field grades are sliding downhill on the scale. In other words, the days of ordering a rack grade or field grade and getting a sleeper service grade are probably in the past. That's not to say it can't or won't happen, but your chances are slim to none, IMHO.

For $100, the Service Grade is a worthy additional investment. Mine is very nice, and with all respect to SaxonPig, I couldn't be happier with my choice. (Maybe CMP is in cahoots with Gunbroker and they heard about you :D). My Service Garand looks great, shoots great, and feels great.

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Quoheleth,
Maybe CMP is in cahoots with Gunbroker and they heard about you :D

Low blow... Funny as *%#@, but low. ;)

The last CMP Garand I got from the mail was a SG with a real questionable stock. It wood looked rotted out. I ended up spending another $100 to have the stock professionally restored. Even with the added expense, I was way ahead in price vs. the local market.
 
Don't know what to say except that if you can get there in person, do it (I am a lot farther from the S. store than anyone halfway in between the two, and it was more than worth it).

From what I understand if you order, get Service Grade and they'll pick over 'em enough to make you happy (order below that grade and you'll likely not get a 'sleeper').

GO THERE, and you will be able to expect a real expert to really help you. I found a Field Grade that looked like dogmeat, but the ugly wood only covered something that mechanically was as good as can be hoped for. At $500 it was a freakin steal, but the rifleman at the CMP earned a lot of that credit.
 
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