CMP Garands

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O.K now I'm getting ready to order my 1st CMP Garand.
A H&R Garand for the price of $525.00.I know order and wait.
My question is, can I specify a certain caliber 30.06 over a 308?
I see they specify 30 caliber,but surely 308 wont take a 30.06 case?
I meet the prequals,ex-vet (DD form 214) and am affiliated with a state rifle association.
Thanks for your info!
 
CMP Garands are the original issue (30-06 cal). Can be converted to 308 by changing barrels, however. Some have used a chamber insert to shorten the 30-06 chamber to take the 308 Win. cartridge, but I would shy away from this conversion as I have heard of some inserts being extracted with a fired case resulting in the possibility of firing a 308 round in the original 30-06 chamber.

Regards,
hps
 
".30 Caliber" is .30-06, not .308, but that distinction is getting more blurry all the time.

From what I've read, if you shoot a .308 cartridge through a 30-06, the rifle will eject a .45-70 case. Not a good idea to try intentionally, though.
 
From what I've read, if you shoot a .308 cartridge through a 30-06, the rifle will eject a .45-70 case
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A rimless 45-70.:) Chambering a 308 in a 30-06 Garand can result in a misfire (if extractor fails to hold case against bolt face) or if it fires will impact a couple of feet low @ 200 meters from what I have seen. The one I witnessed did not result in any escaping gas or damage to the rifle, however.

Regards,
hps
 
.... as stated above, they are 30.06.

There a few .308 out there (aka "Navy Garands"), but they were being sold on the CMP Auction Site. Very pricy. By auction only. "Collectors Only -- not to be shot".

If you want .308, you have to get a .30-06 and have it rebarreled, insert added, etc.

/Rusty
 
How much difference are those different grades? It seems like the main difference is the throat errosion. Can I get some more details about rack grade and service grade please?
 
Thanks for the info all.
I had thought 308 was the same as 30.06,same bullet different size case.
And yes I know of the .30 caliber M1 carbines,my dad owned a few.Round nose and looked like it belonged in a pistol.
Whats the average delivery time on these Garands,anybody know?
 
I had thought 308 was the same as 30.06,same bullet different size case
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That is correct. The 308 Win. and 30-06 both use a .308" diameter bullet. The difference is the case.

The 308 Win. case length is 2.015" and it is loaded to an OAL of 2.800".

30-06 case length is 2.494" with overall loaded cartridge length of 3.340".

Regards,
hps
 
TE is only one difference between Service and Rack Grades. Muzzle Wear (MW) is the OTHER big difference.

On a Service Grade you are guaranteed a TE of 5 or less and a MW of 3 or less. On a Rack Grade the TE will be between 5 and 10, the MW...... who knows.

I've seen Rack Grades come out with muzzles reading over 6 on my gauge.

Trust me... no meaningful accuracy comes from a MW reading of 6 or more. Looks like a shotgun. NO lands at all in the first 1/2 inch of the bore.

Before anyone asks, counter boring an M1 is not a fruitful endeavor due to the very short distance between the muzzle and the gas port. Most shop manuals and GI info states that the M1 muzzle can be trimmed back no more than about .100" before you start to get FTF's due to low gas port pressure.

When the muzzle on an M1 has been roached by cleaning rod abuse, it's time to re-barrel.

BTW, there is NO correlation between TE and MW.

TE bears a direct relationship to rounds fired. Conventional wisdom states anywhere from 1k to 2k rounds per single number on TE gauge. USGI armory practice was to make sure any rifle being issued to troops about to "go in harms way" was at TE of 5 or less (same as CMP Service Grade). Barrels with TE over 5 but less than 10 were reserved for stateside use. When TE reached 10 the rifle was downehecked and sent back for a new tube.

MW is caused by cleaning rod abuse, not shooting.

A barrel can show a TE reading of 10 (ready for replacement according to GI practice) and have a perfectly crisp, new looking muzzle if it was properly cleaned. On the other hand, a relatively new barrel with a TE of 2 can have a completely hosed muzzle if the party to whom the rifle was issued took no care with the GI cleaning rod.

This relationship (or lack thereof) is born out by simply observing the rifles that come out of the CMP......

Just my thoughts....

Best regards,
Swampy

Garands forever
 
What Swampy said about condition. Most H&R SG's are very nice, though, and above average shooters. The rifle I use in matches is an H&R, it doesn't shoot the smallest groups but shoots the most evenly dispersed groups and has never malfunctioned (knock on wood).

YMMV but the last rifle I ordered took about three weeks. Often the order doesn't show up on the eStore until it's been shipped.

They usually come with a sling and one clip. Buy some ammo, cleaning accessories, and 10 or a dozen clips are handy to have.
 
My guess would be that many of the 5+ MW rifles show not just general wear near the muzzle but eccentric wear from less-than-perfect cleaning. I had an SMLE one time that had been very carelessly cleaned from the muzzle (!!!) and it threw them all over. :mad:
 
GLOCKT
I got my Danish M1 SA Service Grade (with the VAR barrel) a couple weeks ago.
It took about a month to get it.
I'm thinking of ordering another one.:)

Last week me and a friend's teen age son were shooting at PIECES of skeet clay targets at 285 yards.

The boy hit his in THREE rounds.
I didn't do too well. It took me 8 shots to hit mine:D

I love that VAR barrel.
 
.308 v .30-06

If a Garand is rebarreled and rechambered for .308, how is the clip loading affected? Is it as reliable in feeding as the original?
 
If a Garand is rebarreled and rechambered for .308, how is the clip loading affected? Is it as reliable in feeding as the original?
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No adverse effect.

.308 M1's function the same as the '06.

Best regards,
Swampy
 
VAR Barrel

Somebody got a minute to 'splain what exactly a VAR Barrel is. I've been told it's what you want but no one has been able to tell me why. Sure would like to know.
 
"VAR" is the initials of the Danish Royal Armory establishment that made replacement barrels for the M1 rifles the US Army loaned to Denmark.

Nobody told the Danes that GI issue grade barrels did not have to be Match Quality..... :D

Best to all,
Swampy

Garands forever
 
Thanks for the Info!

I took a look at those Danes,when I placed my order the CMP website said they were sold out.It also stated they didn't know when they could fill back orders.
Last weekend I shot a state match shooting a friends H&R and absolutely enjoyed it.Basically stock from the CMP program.Shot well being unfamiliar with the way it shoots.
I'll do a daily check on my bank website and watch to see when the check clears,then I'll know it's on the way.
Thanks again!
 
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