CO heroine being attacked by the media - for a DECADE-old mistake!

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Ms. Assam is a genuine hero. Let's give her the same benefit of the doubt we'd want in the same situation.

When emotions run high, we are all capable of blurting things we don't recall, particularly expletives.

About 30 years ago, I was one of several officers on a manhunt for escaped prisoners. One of them was under a bridge. A brother officer was pointing a .380 at him (he, like me, had responded from off duty status to the callout) and ordering the man to raise his hands. The man had reached down like a black hat character in a Lone Ranger movie to pick up a fistful of sand to throw in the brother officer's face. I came on the scene from a position above them, leveled my 2" J-frame at the suspect, and said in command voice -- to the best of my recollection -- "DO WHAT HE SAYS!" Realizing that he was triangulated, the man slowly emptied his hand and surrendered. He turned out to be carrying a hidden screwdriver. He wound up doing a good stretch in prison.

The point is, after it was over, another officer who was within earshot said, "The coolest part was when you yelled, 'Do what he says, *******!'" My response was, "I SAID that?" That officer replied with a wink and a smile.

I have no doubt that I probably did utter those last two syllables. In the heat of the moment, my mind jsut didn't record it. Nothing came of it. I knew he was an *******, he probably knew he was an *******, and so I'm sure did the judge.

The point is, it's entirely possible that the whole incident with Ms. Assam in Minneapolis may have been just such a thing. Sometimes, the microphone records minutiae that the speaker's mind does not, particularly when under stress.

Benefit of the doubt, guys. She saved lives. She's one of us. Accord her the same benefit of the doubt you'd accord a suspect, for Heaven's sake.
 
Well said...

When the chips were down and lives were at stake, she didn't make any mistakes, while some of those who were around her didn't do anything.

Those in the media who are trying to degrade her are no friends of ours. There is no reason we should join them.
 
:\Let'ssee:

.357- therefore a revolver- 6 rounds
Two hits in the legs -2
One hit in the wrist- 3
Two hits on his weapons - 5

AND...was moving in on him and yelling as she fired.

Perhaps she should have made better COM hits or have used different ammo or have fired from cover or have zigged instead of having zagged or...

But, she did d****d well and did exactly what we preach here...Shoot to STOP. After she put him down, he ate the barrel.

Pops
 
!@#$%^ Reporter

Why even bring this incident up? It was 10 years ago.

Under those guidelines, the media should always refer to:

- Marion Barry as "former DC Mayor and twice-convicted cocaine user Marion Barry"

- Bill Clinton as "former President and (womanizer, liar, you pick the term) Bill Clinton

etc etc

But of course, we never hear of Barry's cocaine convictions or Clinton's past behavior.

Hypocrites.
 
She earned being fired from the police department.

Qualify that statement, please. She cussed at somebody and denied it later.
Some cops have done far worse, and are still on the job.
It appears she did more than just lie about it. She apparently made false statements in an official report. You or I would go to jail for that. She may well have gotten off easy.

That does not make her useless or evil. She may well have learned and improved her character. That does sometimes happen. It is not real common, but not unheard of either, especially as one grows older.
 
I am guessing that the personality traits that allowed this hero, Ms. Assam to move TOWARD an oncoming threat - who happeneed to be shooting at her - while putting the vile man down, are the same sort of traits that might drive a person to swear a little. And as others have said, it may have been the heat of the moment. From what I have heard, she worked North Minneapolis. Not the nicest part of town.

This country needs much more of the strength of character that Ms. Assam displays. She is a perfect example of actions meaning a heck of a lot more than words.
 
Other posts are now stating that she used a .357 revolver and not a 9mm Beretta... so much for "accurate" press coverage..!

If the creep was indeed hit in the wrist with a .357 round, it makes you wonder how he was able to then shoot himself with a long-barreled weapon (reportedly, a shotgun or a Bushmaster).

Was she dismissed or just suspended for twenty four hours...again, there are conflicting reports and WHY is it relevant in any case..?

Maybe, in a week's time, the truth (the real truth) may leak out..?
 
So...She lied and padded her report a little. I suppose that nobody else has ever done that.

We had a president who engaged in some pretty squirrely activity in the Oval Office...and lied repeatedly about it...and finished serving his term of office.

This lady stepped up and did what she had to do...even though she was under no obligation to do it...at great personal risk. Soldiers are awarded
Silver Stars and Medals of Honor for things like that. Ms. Assam gets whipped for cursing and lying about it...10 years ago.

What's wrong with this picture?
 
What's wrong with this picture?

What's wrong is society has allowed itself to impose totally unrealistic expectations from our LEO's.

When something does go awry with an individual LEO, his or her actions are then somehow representative of the entire law enforcement community and we are subject to the same, mind-numbing droning from the same old, so-called community leaders who then excoriate law enforcement as a whole.

The left seems bent on destroying this countries foundations.

I don't know why anyone would even want to be a cop today.
 
Mike...Exactly.

If this is the only "dirt" that they could dig up on her, I'd say that she's led a pretty exemplary life...no?

Maybe the should keep diggin'. They might discover that she cheated on a history exam in the 7th grade...or that she broke little Susie's Barbie doll when she was 10. Wouldn't that prove that she was a bad, bad girl?

:rolleyes:
 
The facts related to her time at the Mpls PD and her dismissal are truly irrelevant to what happened in Colorado. If she were under oath a defense attorney most likely would use this to discredit her testimony, but that is not the case here.
The incident related by Massad Ayoob is a great example of how an officer can simply let the heat of the moment get the best of them. Sometimes
those responsible to review incidents have other motives or objectives which are not always in the best interest of the department as a whole or the individual officer involved.
 
The only perfect human being was murdered by his government two centuries ago. The woman was fired for lying. OK, so don't take a check from her. She stood up and fought when others were running and dying. It's a fool that can't see the good in people for one bad judgment call.

I've been told- many times- the quality of the workman is his products. A ten year old lie just doesn't overshadow the stopping an atrocity.

Selena
 
My,My,My... a cop fired for swearing and lying.Now there's breaking news.Somewhere there must be more to the story.Lets get Nancy Grace to see if she can make her cry on TV.
 
The point is, it's entirely possible that the whole incident with Ms. Assam in Minneapolis may have been just such a thing. Sometimes, the microphone records minutiae that the speaker's mind does not, particularly when under stress.

Benefit of the doubt, guys. She saved lives. She's one of us. Accord her the same benefit of the doubt you'd accord a suspect, for Heaven's sake.

Well said, sir! My main beef is that whether or not she should have been fired, the whole thing was totally IRRELEVANT to the events in the church. Just seemed to me like an anti-gun hack trying to drag a hero's name through the mud...

Of course, MAYBE Double Naught is correct and the purpose was to show that one can rise far above past mistakes? Thanks to the efforts of 308Win:

According to my Google search this is the article author's email address

[email protected]

I intend to find out. I'll vehemently express my displeasure if the former, and come back here to eat crow if the latter.
 
As far as I'm concerned, nothing in this story has changed my opinion that she is a true hero........

....and nothing in this story has changed my opinion that the MSM/DBM are nothing but scumbags with computers and cameras (kinda like child porn makers).....


Nightwing said:
effing media. Can we turn news buildings into gun free zones? PLEASE!?!?!? .....of course I'm kidding

Not a bad idea...... ;)
 
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I have reviewed tapes of prison disturbances, and the radio traffic, normally very careful, can be quite startling, "Look over by the store, tell that s******* to get down." Copy, get the s******* down." And niether party is aware of it.
She is a genuine hero, regardless of weapon used, peripheral/center mass hits accomplished, ammunition purchased, tactical mindset, any of it - she saved a few hundred lives with directed action, and that's the end of it.
So, where do we donate to her legal defense fund, for when the scumbags' parents sue her for violating thier darling scumbags' civil rights?
 
Somebody find out if Amy Forliti has ever lied or been dishonest. Maybe we can get her fired, too.
Nope, her industry doesn't have the same standards.

I find it ironic and hilarious that the media is generally anti-Christian, yet the only silly little "dirt" they found was from before she was a Christian. Of course they shouldn't have been looking for dirt in the first place...it's all just silly and pathetic.

It's probably good the media continues to do stuff like this. Normal people see right through it and it has a cumulative effect of marginalizing themselves (the media) in the minds of most people as being more and more sensationalist and irrelevant.
 
The fact is that she is is a licensed CCW holder who used her weapon to stop a mass killer. Whatever she did in her previous life is not relevant to her heroic actions at the church. The media has to stir the pot to sell papers.
 
You have got to be kidding...

OK, after reading four pages of this thread it astounds me still....the MSM is dragging up 15+ year old irrelevant BS about this fine lady? That is low even for them, however, as an active duty soldier and a former LEO many moons ago, I don't know any real cop, or TV cop for that matter, that hasn't cursed at someone even if it is his or her partner!

Oh, and we all know that all LEOs (past, present, future, retired, etc.) would never lie about something, right? Especially something so trivial as whether you cursed at a bus driver? Come on, we are all pure as the driven snow! I specifically remember being especially civil, kind, even-tempered, patient and compassionate toward morons while I was a LEO, don't you now? Not one disparaging word, nor lie, ever to slip my lips....:what:

OK, now that I have returned to the real world after departing bizarro world, someone tell me that the MSM really isn't trying to turn this into something?
 
OK, now that I have returned to the real world after departing bizarro world, someone tell me that the MSM really isn't trying to turn this into something?


I would not be surprised if this was being spun. It certainly seems that way to me. However, it might not be getting much traction - a quick look at CNN, Fox News, and MSNBC just now, for instance, didn't yield any headlines that were immediately connected to Assam. So maybe the "she was FIRED ONCE OMG!!!!1!" thing is fading away. Hope so.
 
I don't see that what happened yesterday, much less 10 years ago is especially relevant to what one does today. It is not as if human beings are incapable of committing some horrific act on one day, and an extremely heroic act the next. IIRC, the Chicago coppers caught up in some of the recent torture and excessive forces cases have a fair number of commendation for heroic service.

Lying on an official police report is a crime. Doing so would result in any one of us being charged and going to jail. Why should a LEO get off? Losing her job was probably better for her than losing her job and going to jail.
 
Sometimes routine background reporting turns up....stuff. Ms. Assam apparently worked for the Minneapolis police department. So a Minneapolis AP reporter asks the police department about her; when did she work here, what were her duties, was she ever involved in a shooting before, when did she leave?

Oops.

So If you're the reporter, and you found out she was fired for lying, what do you do with the information? Your options:

A. Ignore it and run the risk of another media outlet picking it up and making you look incompetent

B. Ignore it and run the risk of getting slammed (or possibly fired) by your management for failure to report that fact, especially if A. occurs and you knew about it.

C. Include the fact in the story and run the risk of knowing that you're presenting material that may diminish the lady's character and that you will get slammed by readers.

The first two options might be considered lying - by withholding information.

Damned if you, damned if you don't.
 
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