Collectors asked to leave buy-back

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I'd like to know more details about the paragraph in bold below (emphasis mine). I assume since the church is private property, the church can ask any one to leave for any reason. An article in the Akron Beacon Journal did not mention the collectors trying to buy guns.

Local news (WEWS in Cleveland) ran this story on Friday. They showed pictures of mostly revolvers and a few semi-auto handguns, but no rifles, shotguns or EBRs.

http://www.chroniclet.com/2008/11/23/church-trades-groceries-for-guns-in-buyback-program_122/

AKRON — As the struggling economy continues to sputter, a Northeast Ohio church is offering a swap of guns for groceries.

Jerusalem Missionary Baptist Church in Akron said it collected about 580 guns on Friday as part of its Goods for Guns buyback program. In exchange for turning in rifles, shotguns and handguns, people can receive $100 grocery certificates from Acme Fresh Market stores.

The program yielded 950 guns in 2007.

Bill Holland, an inspector with the Summit County Sheriff’s Department, said gun-toting people were already lined up outside the church at 9 a.m. on Friday.

Police officers checked weapons at the door to ensure they were not loaded. The weapons, which will be destroyed, were loaded into a large plastic garbage can.

As people waited in line outside the church, some gun collectors tried to buy weapons, but they were asked to leave, Holland said.

The Rev. Marc Neal, pastor of Jerusalem Missionary Baptist Church, said he thinks the program will help prevent accidental shootings at home. Last year, someone turned in a gun found beneath a mattress. Another loaded gun was discovered in an Easter basket, he said.

“It relieves the easy access of guns being available inside the home,” Neal said.

Gun enthusiasts nationwide have been stocking up on firearms since President-elect Barack Obama won the election out of fears that his administration and a Democrat-dominated Congress will enact tough new gun laws.

Marlayna McKinley-Harmon, 62, and her husband, Kenneth Harmon, 57, of Akron, brought in two handguns — a .32-caliber pistol and a .25-caliber pistol — because they don’t want their 5-year-old grandson to “get a hold of it.”

“It will make things safer around the house,” said McKinley-Harmon, whose purse was imprinted with her grandson’s photograph.
Paul Raymond, 46, of Akron, turned in his late father’s .32-caliber pistol, but did not plan to keep the grocery card.

“There are three families in our parish that can use some food,” he said.

Neal said each year there are about 4,800 accidental shootings in the United States.

The program is sponsored by the church, Summit CountyCrimestoppers, the city of Akron, Summit County Sheriff Drew Alexander, Acme Fresh Market grocery stores, the Thomarios Co., Medical Mutual, the Dellagnese Co., Summit County Juvenile Court and Oriana House.

About 100 grocery gift cards are left to be distributed on Saturday.
 
Neal said each year there are about 4,800 accidental shootings in the United States.

From 1999 to 2003 there was an average of 36,676 automobile accidental deaths per year.

In the same time frame the average number of gun related accidental deaths was 779 per year.

Seems to me like they should ask car owners to turn in their vehicles to be destroyed instead of gun owners.

Can you imagine some of the antiques that are destroyed in programs like this? It just makes me :barf:.
 
I think the 4800 accidental shootings is way over inflated...but I don't have a link to a "real numbers" site.

It would be interesting to see someone, trying to buy guns, refuse to leave. If its legal to do private sales, how can they make you leave?

Mark.
 
If they had had any sense, they could have have sold direct to collectors after the event, and raised even more for the people in need.

Of course, it was really one of those "touchy feely politically correct, I wanna feel good about myself" events anyway.
 
Stupid people doing stupid things for stupid reasons. Don't be surprised at any level or extent of stupidity exhibited by Americans. We are a stupid country inhabited by stupid people who stupidly believe that stupid stunts will effect positive results.

If you don't agree that America (as a nation, individual results will vary) is stupid, I refer you to the events of 11/04/08.
 
The "collectors" were asked to leave. At least they didn't call them opportunists or folks wanting to by pass the NICs check.
 
As people waited in line outside the church, some gun collectors tried to buy weapons, but they were asked to leave, Holland said

Sounds like they were outside on the sidewalk. All the baptists could do was ask them to leave. I would have ignored them.
 
It would be interesting if those that run these buy-backs were required to tell the gun owners what the estimated book-value of their guns were, before they turned them in. Won't happen of course, at least in the larger cities where these programs are popular.

I suspect that most of these guns are junk, but I doubt that they all are. Grandpa's .32 Colt Pocket Model might be worth 3 to 4 times what they are offering.

And of course they would never point out that a locked case or box would solve the 5 year-old grandson issue.
 
The last numbers I saw on deaths from accidental shootings was some 1,100 in a year. For children 14 and under, per the CDC, it was about 100.

For children 14 and under, some 3,500 are killed in vehicle accidents and around 1,100 or so from drowning.
 
Stupid people doing stupid things for stupid reasons. Don't be surprised at any level or extent of stupidity exhibited by Americans.

I work at a very large international airport. Before i worked there I thought some people were stupid. After almost a year there I can't understand how the human race isnt extinct.
 
SaxonPig: Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel.

I agree, Americans are stupid. Keep 'em fed, clothed and housed, with the idiot box to occupy their time, and you can take over the whole country.
 
I work at a very large international airport. Before I worked there I thought some people were stupid. After almost a year there I can't understand how the human race isn't extinct.

In the animal world, all the critters have to think about is food, shelter, and reproduction.

Humans, in additon to merely those items, have a lot more to think about.

Like, are those (insert brand) shoes going to be on sale at (insert store)?

Like, will Opra put (insert book) on her reading list?

Like, can I make it through that yellow (or red) light?

Like, where's the manual for the TiVo?

Like, OK, now where's the remote?

Like, texting "IM ON WAY 2 UR SCR GAME." while doing 50 thru a scl zon.

Like, ....

I agree: (1) PPL R STUPID; and, (2) "I can't understand how the human race isn't extinct."

Hmmm... You say, "There's nothing that high explosives and duct tape can't fix."

Are you including nuclear explosives in that?

Terry, 230RN
 
I agree. The church, if it really wanted to help people as much as possible with this program, should have let collectors look at the pieces and an try to make more money for the families.

It was a nice gesture but it could reaped more of a benefit.
 
I hate to play devil's advocate on this one but...Well it's not the worst thing to give groceries for guns people don't want. A lot of people don't feel comfortable having guns in their houses and rather than destroy their gun or sell it to a gun shop, a private individual, or...

I can't do it, I can't justify it, oh I want to try because it's a church, they are trying to do what in their mind is a good thing, and the 'collectors' well none of us really know if that was the case, I took in a gunsmith special gone bad (paid thirty bucks for it) to a gun buy back in Orange County FL, and while I was walking to it I had three 'Gangstard' looking guys try to talk to me about what I had in the case which made my hand grip the snub .357 in my opposite pocket and be mindful of the Ruger P90 in my IWB. Once they got the hint I wasn't going to talk to them they moved on to some older guy behind me (guy looked like a War Vet with his tats and veterans hat) and he told them to go to hell, he had some old as dirt .22lr single shot bolt action he told me was broke. We both got new pairs of sneakers that day.

It's hard to attack events like this when it is a church holding it, that'd make us look like real dirtbags if we got too rabid. And we know there are anti-2nd Amendment (aka anti-BOA) lurkers who might use what we say.

And I don't know about you but I'm not going to a church to buy a gun, just don't feel right.
 
it did remove guns from the hands of people who didn't really want them so done some good a loaded handgun about the place with an owner who isn't that bothered is an accident waiting to happen:(
so its removed a possible source of anti gun story's
 
Not to get off topic, but I believe in the bestselling book Freakonomics Stephen Levitt actually points out that the risks of drowning are much higher than firearms related deaths, and this guy isn't exactly what you'd call conservative.
 
While I happen to be a Christian myself, I have seen plenty of people use the "Church" to move their own agenda forward. I don't know these folks so I can't say whether they are trying to do the right thing or not, but anyone with any sense knows that gun buybacks are basically a waste of time.
 
I really want to announce one of these programs and give out $100 gift cards. I figure I'll net enough nice guns that it will offest the cost of the crappy ones. On the other hand I could probably sell the junk ones on Gunbroker for cheap.
 
How many gang bangers turned in their weapons? The people that turned in their guns are not a threat to society. I'm sure that a lot of broke .22's and .25's got turned in for a grocery card.
 
The people that turned in their guns are not a threat to society

Some of the people that were turning them in said they had no way to safely store the weapon to keep out of the hands of children or people who shouldn't have them. So in that case, then they are a threat to society.



I would have done the same exact thing, cash in hand I would have bought them from the people in line and offered them more money than the baptists were.

Ever been to a gun buy back to see what people are turning in? Most people actually come out ahead. Getting $100 in gift cards for a Jennings 22 that has rusted so much the slide can't be racked is a pretty good deal, and I doubt you would really pay someone more than that for it, unless you are a sucker.
 
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