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COLORADO: Further restrictions on CCW proposed! (Revised)
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HB1011 will probably be voted on in the house tommorrow 2/13/07.
I talked to my state rep today. He is Democrat and got a D from NRA but he told me at this point he supports the bill. He also said I brought up some very good points that may strenghten his support. He said the vote will be close--he expects 32-33 and not sure yet of the outcome.
Contact your rep tonght or first thing in the morning.
For the record--HB1011 is the "castle doctrine" issue. A homeowner does not need to retreat from an intruder and it would also allow a business owner to protect their business.
The protecting businesses is what many reps are leary of. My discussion with my rep on that was basically---very few business owners will go out and buy guns,probably a very small percentage,but the bad guys don't know which ones are armed therefore a good chance of fewer robberies. He liked this argument.
Support on HB1011
I talked to my state rep today. He is Democrat and got a D from NRA but he told me at this point he supports the bill. He also said I brought up some very good points that may strenghten his support. He said the vote will be close--he expects 32-33 and not sure yet of the outcome.
Contact your rep tonght or first thing in the morning.
For the record--HB1011 is the "castle doctrine" issue. A homeowner does not need to retreat from an intruder and it would also allow a business owner to protect their business.
The protecting businesses is what many reps are leary of. My discussion with my rep on that was basically---very few business owners will go out and buy guns,probably a very small percentage,but the bad guys don't know which ones are armed therefore a good chance of fewer robberies. He liked this argument.
Support on HB1011
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SB 34, the bill to only allow concealed carry for Colorado residents was turned into a pro-gun bill and will be re-debated on Friday. Some interesting tactics:
From RMGO:
This morning a bill that was previously a gun control power grab turned into a pro-gun bill... thanks to a group of conservative Senators who boldly stepped forward and work behind the scenes by RMGO staff.
Senate Bill 34 by Democrat Sen. Morse initially was drafted to stop Colorado residents from getting permits from other states (Florida and Utah, for instance) and using those permits to carry in Colorado. In other words, Colorado residents would be required to get their permits from their sheriff if they want to carry in Colorado.
Many Colorado citizens don't want to get a Colorado permit because they aren't excited about being entered in the statewide criminal database. And others simply want permits with better reciprocity (Colorado has a few less states honoring our permits than Utah's or Florida's, though it used to be a greater disparity) without going to the expense of getting a permit from Colorado as well.
Morse's bill was hi-jacked this morning when Republican State Sen. Greg Brophy ran an amendment to turn this bill into a pro-gun "Recognition" bill. The amendment is as follows:
A permit to carry a concealed handgun or a concealed weapon this issued BY ANY STATE TO ANY LEGAL RESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES shall be valid in this state in all respects as a permit issued pursuant to this part 2.
When the standing vote occurred, every Republican voted for the amendment along with three Democrats (Isgar, Hagedorn and Tochtrop). This sent Sen. Morse into a tizzy -- the Democrat's majority leader, Sen. Gordon, immediately pulled the bill from consideration, presumably to figure out what to do with a bill that has been turned on it's head. We'll find out more on Friday, when this bill is re-debated.
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In another surprise move, the House passed State Rep. Cory Gardner's HB1011 on 2nd Reading. This bill, which is a small
change of the Make My Day law, gives citizens the same rights to self defense in their place of business as they have in their homes. This is another case of a bold move by a conservative legislator, working closely with RMGO. If passed on Third Reading, it will be up to State Sen. Ted Harvey to guide it through the Senate.
From RMGO:
This morning a bill that was previously a gun control power grab turned into a pro-gun bill... thanks to a group of conservative Senators who boldly stepped forward and work behind the scenes by RMGO staff.
Senate Bill 34 by Democrat Sen. Morse initially was drafted to stop Colorado residents from getting permits from other states (Florida and Utah, for instance) and using those permits to carry in Colorado. In other words, Colorado residents would be required to get their permits from their sheriff if they want to carry in Colorado.
Many Colorado citizens don't want to get a Colorado permit because they aren't excited about being entered in the statewide criminal database. And others simply want permits with better reciprocity (Colorado has a few less states honoring our permits than Utah's or Florida's, though it used to be a greater disparity) without going to the expense of getting a permit from Colorado as well.
Morse's bill was hi-jacked this morning when Republican State Sen. Greg Brophy ran an amendment to turn this bill into a pro-gun "Recognition" bill. The amendment is as follows:
A permit to carry a concealed handgun or a concealed weapon this issued BY ANY STATE TO ANY LEGAL RESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES shall be valid in this state in all respects as a permit issued pursuant to this part 2.
When the standing vote occurred, every Republican voted for the amendment along with three Democrats (Isgar, Hagedorn and Tochtrop). This sent Sen. Morse into a tizzy -- the Democrat's majority leader, Sen. Gordon, immediately pulled the bill from consideration, presumably to figure out what to do with a bill that has been turned on it's head. We'll find out more on Friday, when this bill is re-debated.
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In another surprise move, the House passed State Rep. Cory Gardner's HB1011 on 2nd Reading. This bill, which is a small
change of the Make My Day law, gives citizens the same rights to self defense in their place of business as they have in their homes. This is another case of a bold move by a conservative legislator, working closely with RMGO. If passed on Third Reading, it will be up to State Sen. Ted Harvey to guide it through the Senate.
anotherKevin
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What an astonishing turn around! Good to see some Democrats acting the right way, too. Gives a lot of credence to the claim that these are "new" Democrats, and heck I'm as sceptical of that as anyone. Actions talk, though. Duly noted.
What an astonishing turn around! Good to see some Democrats acting the right way, too. Gives a lot of credence to the claim that these are "new" Democrats, and heck I'm as sceptical of that as anyone. Actions talk, though. Duly noted.
HowardC
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Lois Tochtrop......
.... has been a pretty good gun friend for years. She's a little more 'old school', as far as people and life goes. I don't know Isgar and Hagedorn. Apparently, they are more gun-friendly as well. Or, at least, can see merit in changing the legislation.
-HowardC
.... has been a pretty good gun friend for years. She's a little more 'old school', as far as people and life goes. I don't know Isgar and Hagedorn. Apparently, they are more gun-friendly as well. Or, at least, can see merit in changing the legislation.
-HowardC
gyp_c2
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...snafu...
...excellent post...
I was just reading on Monday, the RMGO alerts and I'm happy to see the junkyard dog is as smart as it is tough!
...excellent post...
...nail on the head...
I was just reading on Monday, the RMGO alerts and I'm happy to see the junkyard dog is as smart as it is tough!
jmtracker
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Colorado CCW laws twisting
Grettings all,
I'm new to this forum and recently returned to Colorado having just retired from the Army. Has anyone heard if the proposed bill has passed yet or not.
If Morse's bill passes, and out of state CCW permits are not be honored if you have a Colorado address on your ID I will be one of the new "illegals". I spent the the last six years of my 21 year tour in Fayetteville NC at Fort Bragg. While there I was allowed by the state to get a NC resident CCW permit. Now back in Colorado, with a CO driver's license, my NC CCW permit may not be honored.
I have written my congressman and hope you all do too. There is absolutely now logical reson for this bill to be written. Except in another attempt to harrass law abiding citizens.
I'm sure I will eventually get an CO CCW permit but that's not the point. I shouldn't HAVE to remain legal when carrying my choice of personal protection!!!!
Grettings all,
I'm new to this forum and recently returned to Colorado having just retired from the Army. Has anyone heard if the proposed bill has passed yet or not.
If Morse's bill passes, and out of state CCW permits are not be honored if you have a Colorado address on your ID I will be one of the new "illegals". I spent the the last six years of my 21 year tour in Fayetteville NC at Fort Bragg. While there I was allowed by the state to get a NC resident CCW permit. Now back in Colorado, with a CO driver's license, my NC CCW permit may not be honored.
I have written my congressman and hope you all do too. There is absolutely now logical reson for this bill to be written. Except in another attempt to harrass law abiding citizens.
I'm sure I will eventually get an CO CCW permit but that's not the point. I shouldn't HAVE to remain legal when carrying my choice of personal protection!!!!
gyp_c2
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yup...
...absolutely...
...and welcome,
...absolutely...
...and welcome,
jmtracker
Member
Thanks and good to be here.
Colorado Fatboy
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FWIW: if you have a permit issued in El Paso County your name is NOT entered into the criminal database.
This information is posted on RMGO and was confirmed with an email to Sheriff Maketa. Here is a copy of his reply when I asked him about it.
Rob,
My office does NOT enter CHP holder into CCIC and never has. CCIC stands for
the colorado criminal information center, and under the current system agencies
that do enter CHP holder's are entered as "persons of interest." CCIC is a
computer system that maintains the states criminal records including, arrest
records, wanted persons, attempt to locate files, stolen property, traffic
history, probation and parole clients, etc I have a philisophical issue with
law abiding citizens being entered as persons of interest.
I hope this answers your questions.
Terry Maketa
Just wanted to clarify that is up to the individual department that issues the permit if they choose to enter it into the CCIC or not.
Even though I am no longer a resident of El Paso County I still have my permit there. They also said I can renew it there as long as I am a resident of CO.
This information is posted on RMGO and was confirmed with an email to Sheriff Maketa. Here is a copy of his reply when I asked him about it.
Rob,
My office does NOT enter CHP holder into CCIC and never has. CCIC stands for
the colorado criminal information center, and under the current system agencies
that do enter CHP holder's are entered as "persons of interest." CCIC is a
computer system that maintains the states criminal records including, arrest
records, wanted persons, attempt to locate files, stolen property, traffic
history, probation and parole clients, etc I have a philisophical issue with
law abiding citizens being entered as persons of interest.
I hope this answers your questions.
Terry Maketa
Just wanted to clarify that is up to the individual department that issues the permit if they choose to enter it into the CCIC or not.
Even though I am no longer a resident of El Paso County I still have my permit there. They also said I can renew it there as long as I am a resident of CO.
gyp_c2
Member
thanks CO_Fboy
...good to know, and welcome to the fray...
...good to know, and welcome to the fray...
Zak Smith
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Looks like this fix didn't "keep" and it passed the Senate.
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