Colt and the ban sunset

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Just read on another board that Colt will sell pre-ban type guns sans bayonet lug- after the sunset.

Basically your MT6400 will have a telescoping stock and A2 hider but no bayo lug.

I still don't see why they don't just sell there LE carbines under the "Match Target" banner for everyone?
 
It is amazing that a company as poorly run as Colt can stay in business.

They are very good at losing market share, or totally missing out on markets.

If they dont put bayo lugs on their guns, I am sure someone like Bushmaster will.
 
Colt had no bayo lugs before the ban ever happend IIFC..

In any event they havent decided what they are doin g yet despite what you may read, as least as I am told by Colt..

WildcoltAlaska
 
I've seen AR-15 clones with bayonet lugs that really shouldn't have them anyway. I mean, you see a 10" barreled AR type, right? There's no way you could actually mount a bayonet on it, as the barrel's too short, but the lug is there anyway.

On a "match target" rifle, I don't imagine a bayonet lug being espeically useful either.

However, even if Colt won't market their semiauto "LE" rifles to the public, bayonet lugs and all, I'm sure third party distributors will.
 
What length barrels can you attach a bayonet to? Just the 20"? What about the bare barreled 16"- or does it have to be a 14" M-4 profile with a 2" long muzzle brake to be able to mount a bayonet? Do all AR-15 variants use the same bayonet?
 
Perhaps I'm betraying AR15-ignorance; but on some other designs the bayonet lug can serve other purposes.

On the M1A, which has a flash suppressor that's a pain to remove, the bayo lug allows you to use an easy-snap-on-off muzzle brake.

I know that some sound suppressors use custom lugs/connectors for easy snap on installation - but a bayo lug may allow some future design to work with it?

Just saying, it can't hurt to have a mount like that there in a standard location in a variety of guns - manufacturers who think up cool new attachments may then find other uses for them.

That said - about Colt - yeah, given their history/prestige, that they don't trade on it better by trying to deliver interesting mil-spec goodies is astounding.

Battler.
 
The reason you see the lug on most .mil AR15 configurations
is because the bayonet lug is part of the front sight base forging.

removing it takes time

blind pinning and soldering a "compensator"
on an already threaded barrel end also takes time

maintaining and inventory of civilian muzzle brakes and military flash hiders
also takes time

Custom fabricating 10 round magazines that will not ever load 11 rounds
takes time

time is money

Heck, post September 14th, 2004 AR15s should be cheaper
 
I'm planning on a Bushmaster anyway. I want the bayonet lug since its a useless evil feature that, at the moment, is illegal.

I wonder if I could get a CLEO to sign for a grenade launcher...
 
Colt did have the bayonet lugs preban, I had two A2s with them. I don't care if they're there or not, I'd just like to be able to buy a shorty- collapsible stock and threaded barrel- for a reasonable price. I saw a preban Colt yesterday for the low, low price of $2000.
 
Zach S wrote:

I'm planning on a Bushmaster anyway. I want the bayonet lug since its a useless evil feature that, at the moment, is illegal.

I wonder if I could get a CLEO to sign for a grenade launcher...

Zach:

I'm not knocking Bushmaster, I understand they make a good product, however you might make note of the following.

While the caliber is different, it is loaded domestically, the 7.62 x 39mm Yugoslav SKS rifles currently widely avaialble already come with a grenade launcher, nobodies "permission" is required, though neither grenades nor the launching rounds are furnished. I've seen the latter offered, as I recall they were $20/100. For those so inclined, they come with a folding knife type bayonet too. They are also ALL FORGED/MACHINED STEEL. Original sights are somewhat crude, though I suspect that things could be done with them. Magazing capacity is 10 rounds, loaded via stripper clips or individually. Larger capacity, detachable magazines, 20 and 30 rounders are available, and they retain charger/individual round loading capability. Seems a rugged rifle, and they do not cost "the earth" either.

The gas block is readily maintainable, easy to clean, if necessary, and the gas system, I suppose could be described as a modified long stroke piston system seems almost proof against fools. Field stripping is a snap, and one cleans from the breach end. Trigger pull is heavy, but complete trigger groups are not expensive, and can no doubt be worked on.

The cartridge itself has inherent limitations, it is not a long range round, but the M-16 was originally viewed as a 300-400 yard weapon/cartridge, as I recall from what I've read.

Might be something to consider, depending on what it is that one desires.
 
I doubt they'll bother to change back. After all, Colt had the receiver blocks, modified open backed bolt carrier and nonstandard push pins and fire control components well before any bans necessitated other cosmetic changes. It didn't really do anything for them except appease the ATF and lose some market share.
 
I have an educational question to ask here of the more well informed folks. I have heard of the term Colt "Sporter", which I understand, but am not sure of, is an AR15 with some minor modifications and which was sold with only 5 round magazines. How else is the "Sporter" different than a true Colt AR15? Is the "Sporter" less desireable for collectors? I'm just curious, and would like some more info.
 
You can't put a bayonet on a 16" barrel even if it has the lug. It won't fit. You need a 14.5" barrel to do that and that's a title II firearm.

BTW all the XM177 look alikes out there with 10 or 11.5" barrels and the long flash hider made to look like the original noise moderator that have a bayonet lug on them are historically incorrect. That's right the XM177 series did not have a bayonet lug.

I would guess that if Colt runs out of front sight forgings without the bayonet lug, you'll see the old ones back. It's almost impossible to accurately catalog all the features on each model AR15 that Colt sells because they sometimes use whatever parts there are on hand.

Jeff
 
Sporters had a "light contour" barrel - skinny under the handguards, as opposed to the "heavy contour" barrel - HBAR.
 
Colt removed the bayonet lug from their commercial production rifles in 92 or 93. IIRC this was to make them palatable in California. The stopped calling them AR15 around that time also.

Jeff
 
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