Colt Detective Special

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I was at the local gunshow today and found a Colt Detective Special (shrouded ejector model) I checked it out according to the things I have read, including slowly drawing the hammer back to ensure that the hand? would drop into the notch on the cylinder- I did this about 3 times and it worked fine.

I got it home, cleaned it and in cycling it found that every once in a while it would stop just short of dropping into the notch.

I want this to be a shooter and functional- is there a gunsmith who can correct this easily? I am in south central Kansas by the way

Thanks!
 
Yes, it can be corrected. However, finding a local gunsmith to do it may be a challenge. Colt will repair it at a fair price. The only problem is shipping is pretty high.
 
Thinking maybe this isn't worth it- inbound shipping could be $50 minimum, Colt's labor fee is $65 per hour, return shipping is $30- so I am into this deal for a base cost of about $150, and that assumes the problem can be corrected in an hour with no parts replacement. With $265 in the gun up front, I could be into a total of about $400 to $500 pretty easily and I don't think the revolver is worth that given the external wear.

Thanks for the reply, ColtPythonElite!
 
You have the drill mixed up a bit.

1. After checking to be sure the chambers are unloaded, close and latch the cylinder.

2. Cock the hammer and then pull the trigger. Hold the trigger fully to the rear, and then see if the cylinder bolt (not the hand) is in the cylinder's notch.

3. Pull the trigger in the double-action mode, and while holding it all of the way back, see if the bolt is in the cylinder's notch - as described above.

4. Repeat on all remaining 5 chambers.

If the cylinder does not "carry up," (rotate far enough from chamber to chamber so that the bolt engages the notch) some correction should be done, this is usually simple and doesn't require parts replacement unless a previous owner did something stupid in the way of an "action tune-up."

There are very few gunsmiths left that are qualified to work on these older Colt's. While having the factory fix whatever is expensive, having someone else blotch the job may turn out to cost a lot more. Once it's fixed you will have one of the best, top quality .38 snubbies ever made.
 
Old Fuff, many thanks for the post.

I followed the steps you outlined: On #2, I found that occasionally when I pulled the trigger and lowered the hammer the cylinder would actually "click" into place as the hammer came forward. (I hope I am describing that correctly)

On #3 I noted no failures at all on engagement.

So on the #2 issue, is the Colt lockwork designed to do what I described and correct the alignment as the hammer falls occasionally, or is there some tweaking or other work that needs to be done- (I know you are commenting without examining or handling the revolver- I appreciate again your help with this deal)
 
If when you slowly cock the hammer the cylinder doesn't lock up, the gun is out of adjustment and really ought to be repaired.
However, the Colt design is such that if you cock the hammer normally or pull the trigger normally, it will usually lock up properly and is safe to shoot.

When normally cocked or the trigger is pulled it doesn't lock up, then it's far enough out of adjustment that it's not safe to shoot.
I suspect that he action simply needs adjusting which Colt can do in less than an hour. While they have it they'll give it a total inspection and cleaning.
Then it'll be worth more money.

As an aid to the Colt action, here's my instructions on how to inspect it for correct timing:

To check Colt timing. This is valid for all the older type Colt action models like the Python, Detective Special, Diamondback, original Trooper, Official Police, etc.

BOLT RETRACTION AND "SNAP BACK".
Open the cylinder and look at the small "lug" in the bottom of the cylinder window. This is the cylinder locking bolt.
Cock the hammer, and watch as the bolt retracts into the frame and pops back out.
The bolt MUST begin to retract THE INSTANT the hammer begins to move.
There MUST be NO (ZERO) hammer movement possible before the bolt starts to retract.
The bolt should retract smoothly with no hesitation until it's fully retracted, then it must pop back out with a clean "snap".
There should be no hesitation, and no amount of "creeping" back out.

CYLINDER UNLOCKING.
Close the cylinder.
Use your left thumb or fore finger to again cock the hammer, closely watching the cylinder bolt as you SLOWLY cock the hammer.
As the hammer comes back, the bolt will retract away from the cylinder.
The bolt must retract far enough to unlock the cylinder BEFORE the cylinder begins to rotate.
If the bolt is still slightly engaged with the cylinder lock notch, the cylinder will be attempting to turn while still partially locked.
This produces a "catch" or "hard spot" in the trigger pull and will damage both the bolt and the cylinder lock notches.
This often appears as metal "pulled out" of the lock notches, with rounded off and burred notches.

BOLT DROP TIMING.
Continue to cock the hammer, LIGHTLY laying your right index finger on the cylinder just enough to prevent "free wheeling".
Watch for the bolt to drop back onto the cylinder. WHERE the bolt drops is CRITICAL.
The bolt MUST drop onto the leade or ramp in front of the actual cylinder notch.
If the bolt drops too soon, (in front of the notch ramp), it will mar the finish of the cylinder.
The bolt should drop into “about” the middle of the ramp.
If the bolt drops late, (farther toward the actual locking notch) the revolver may display "cylinder throw-by".
In this condition, during double action shooting the cylinder may rotate PAST the locking notch, and fire in an unlocked condition.
It's the nature of the Colt action, that a hesitant or jerky trigger pull by the user can induce throw-by in even a properly tuned Colt.
The Colt trigger should be pulled with a smooth, even pull, with no sudden jerks at the beginning.

CYLINDER LOCKUP.
Continue to pull the hammer back and both watch and listen for the bolt to drop into the cylinder lock notch.
The bolt must drop into the actual lock notch before or just as the hammer reaches full cock.
The most common Colt mis-time situation is the hammer cocks before the bolt drops into the lock notch. (Hammer is cocked, but cylinder isn't locked).
In this condition, with the hammer fully cocked, you can push the cylinder slightly, and you will hear the "CLICK" as the bolt drops into lock.
In my experience, most Colt's leave the factory with the bolt dropping a little late into the leade, but usually wear in to correct timing.
If the bolt drops onto the cylinder early, no real problem, but there will be extra finish wear.
If the bolt drops late (closer to the lock notch) the cylinder may "throw by" or rotate TOO far in double action and this can cause off-center primer hits and firing while unlocked.

Each of these checks should be done on EACH chamber. All of these checks are better done individually. In other words, do the bolt retraction check on all six chambers, then do the bolt drop test, and so on.

A properly tuned Colt will:
Have a smoothly functioning bolt with no sticky or hesitant movement.

Unlock before the cylinder begins to turn.

The bolt will drop onto the middle of the ramp.

The bolt will drop into the lock notch just before or as the hammer reaches full cock.

Have a smooth trigger pull, which does "stack" or get heavier as the trigger is pulled.
 
dfariswheel
As an aid to the Colt action, here's my instructions on how to inspect it for correct timing:

I would like to complain, "Where was this excellent post when I needed it, just before I bought that old Colt on 3-26-2011.
But the truth is I would have been too lazy to understand it.
I first had to buy that old revolver, and have all this trouble and effort with me filing on the cam and bending on the bolt tang, before I would be motivated.

Only THEN, was I ready for your excellent post.
 
Dfariswheel- thank you for your great informational post. I have checked the revolver as described and it seems to check out with the exception of the one issue mentioned. And I have learned a great deal about Colt revolvers along the way.
Not to turn this into a saga but when I load the cylinder the base (back)of the shell casing hits the protrusion on the bottom rear corner of the cylinder opening in the frame- the cylinder will not spin freely when loaded. The cylinder closes into the frame without problems. The place the shell casing hits is a small raised place on the frame. Is this normal? Thank you again!
 
if the edge of the shellcasings are rubbing the cylinder stop lug is the sideplate protruding, and not perfectly flat, in the area above the trigger guard?
 
You are going to think I am not very thorough in my examination of the firearm- I checked the sideplate as llwgn described; the sideplate screw just above the trigger area was loose to the point that the sideplate was raised up about 1/16th above the frame. I tightened it and that corrected the problem.

Thanks again for the invaluable information on Colt's!
 
If I may resurrect an old post- I still have the Colt, and haven't shot it or sent it to Colt, or anything else. I have the following possibilities in mind-

1. Send the gun to Colt- looking at $65 fee for one hour at Colt, plus $30 return shipping, and whatever it costs to ship overnight to Colt - maybe $75?
2. Keep the gun and shoot it - cosmetically it isn't very slick, and the grips aren't either. I have $265 in the gun and putting the cost of shipping, repair, etc. could take me to a point where I have more in it than it is worth which makes this idea seem possible
3. Trade/sell the gun, and take a hit on my investment-

I appreciate everyones input, and would welcome any ideas on what I have missed, or not thought of-
 
One thing is for sure. You own an old classic and your options get no worse as time goes on. Enjoy your dilemma. I found a Det Special for even more than you have invested in yours and I'm thinking of joining you. Old stuff that isn't made anymore is a good thing.
 
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