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You already want one with cerakote so you could still do stainless.
Colt's Rail Gun?
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OP, go with the Colt Railgun, please. They're solid pistols that should provide years of reliable service. As to the Series 80 trigger issue -- I have two Series 70s and the rest of my Colt are all Series 80 -- I have no problem with any of those triggers. If this is your first 1911, you'll marvel at the wonder of the typical 1911 trigger and it won't matter to you that it's got the Series 80 ...
As to all the others who come into a post wherein an OP states he's decided on a platform and is simply seeking a little reaffirmation and tell him to get another pistol, shame on you. The Dan Wesson fanboys lately are the worst of all. It's not as though the guy is saying he's decided to spend 1200 bucks on six Hi-Points ...
Notice it's always the fans of other pistols who seek to dissuade someone from their choice; the posters who actually own Colts are fine with them. Listen to them.
Gratuitous pic of the last Colt I purchased, a LW Commander XSE with an astoundingly good Series 80 trigger:
As to all the others who come into a post wherein an OP states he's decided on a platform and is simply seeking a little reaffirmation and tell him to get another pistol, shame on you. The Dan Wesson fanboys lately are the worst of all. It's not as though the guy is saying he's decided to spend 1200 bucks on six Hi-Points ...
Notice it's always the fans of other pistols who seek to dissuade someone from their choice; the posters who actually own Colts are fine with them. Listen to them.
Gratuitous pic of the last Colt I purchased, a LW Commander XSE with an astoundingly good Series 80 trigger:
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Shame on us you say? I feel no shame at all. If a customer comes to me with little experience and seems set on one brand or model, I always show them other options and provide pros and cons. I do the same on the forums and will continue to do so.
As a dealer, I probably have more hands-on experience with different brands and models than a good majority of other members here. Fanboy I am certainly not. Personally, I own probably 5 different brands and as a dealer, I have owned almost all except the top tier brands like Baer and Brown. So maybe fanboy applies to other members, but certainly not to me. Just because I see the Heritage as a good value and alternative in this situation, certainly is not enough to call me a fanboy.
As a dealer, I probably have more hands-on experience with different brands and models than a good majority of other members here. Fanboy I am certainly not. Personally, I own probably 5 different brands and as a dealer, I have owned almost all except the top tier brands like Baer and Brown. So maybe fanboy applies to other members, but certainly not to me. Just because I see the Heritage as a good value and alternative in this situation, certainly is not enough to call me a fanboy.
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I didn't think you would.
Find a 1911 thread on the forum where you don't recommend a Dan Wesson 1911, regardless of what the OP is looking for.
The OP in this thread wants a dark colored 1911 with a rail in the $1,000 - $1,200 price range, yet you recommend the Dan Wesson Heritage that is stainless and has no rail. The railed Dan Wesson would be the Specialist which is a $1,500+ gun, and outside of the OP's price range.
The non-fan boy, open minded guy, who thinks Colt's aren't very good (even though the OP wants one), may have recommended a Springfield Operator, or SIG railed 1911, or S&W 1911 with rail, or any other number of blue, railed, 1911's, in the $1,000 - $1,200 price range that a helpful dealer should easily be able to name. Yet you, the non-Dan Wesson fanboy recommends the non-railed, stainless Heritage model.
In the words of ESPN's Cris Carter, "Come on, man!"
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After he said he didn't want a stainless, I haven't made a recommendation. I know full well a Duty Treat DW is out the budget so I haven't recommended that. Without looking at my book, a SA Operator may be outside the budget, TRP Operator will be. I personally don't like the ILS system they put on their guns. Sig railed model? Didn't recommend because i think the Colt is better. And some people initially like the rail models, but choose a traditional style as their first 1911, hence my original recommendation of the Heritage. Kimber also makes some great rail model guns, but most are outside the budget. RIA makes a lot of rail models, but again, the Colt would be better. Ruger is now making a black rail model, but I haven't seen one yet, so that's why I didn't recommend.
And how many threads do you see here where someone has one idea going into a thread and changes their mind or goes a different direction?
And how many threads do you see here where someone has one idea going into a thread and changes their mind or goes a different direction?
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The Colt's fine. Get it.
But the Dan Wesson Specialist is a bit nicer and only a hair more expensive.
But the Dan Wesson Specialist is a bit nicer and only a hair more expensive.
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Little more than a hair. Almost $600 more with the Duty Treat model. The OP apparently wants black.
Kimber TLE/RL would be another good option, but some report the black oxide finish wears easily. I've always like the Pro TLE/RL in stainless myself.
Kimber TLE/RL would be another good option, but some report the black oxide finish wears easily. I've always like the Pro TLE/RL in stainless myself.
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Getting "Duty Treat" or Melonite on a 1911 is about $250-300. Toss in the the features, like the C&S fire control group, and it's a fair price.
Should be about $1600 for a Specialist around here. Not cheap, but it's not a cheap 1911. Given that Kimbers are well over $1200, it's a fair price.
Should be about $1600 for a Specialist around here. Not cheap, but it's not a cheap 1911. Given that Kimbers are well over $1200, it's a fair price.
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No doubt the Specialist is a higher quality gun. I sell it for $1675 in Duty Treatment . About the only aftermarket treatment with as good of protection as Duty Treat is Hard Hard by Severns Custom.
A Kimber TLE/RL in black would be $1000 for my customers. Cheaper than the Colt Rail Gun and I personally like the Schwartz safety on the Kimber better than the Series 80 on the Colt. And if you wear the finish on the Kimber it will either add character to the gun like the Les Baer owners say or you can send the gun to Severns for Hard Hat and have a tougher finish than the Colt for about the same money.
And another thing for the OP to consider is what happens to your gun heaven forbid you have to use it to defend your home? It may be stuck in police custody for who knows how long, maybe indefinitely. There's a valid argument to be made about not choosing a defensive gun that you wouldn't mind losing if you ever had to use it. Would you be alright with possibly losing a $1200 gun if you had to use it in a defensive situation? For me, I would not be alright with that. That's what polymer guns are for.
A Kimber TLE/RL in black would be $1000 for my customers. Cheaper than the Colt Rail Gun and I personally like the Schwartz safety on the Kimber better than the Series 80 on the Colt. And if you wear the finish on the Kimber it will either add character to the gun like the Les Baer owners say or you can send the gun to Severns for Hard Hat and have a tougher finish than the Colt for about the same money.
And another thing for the OP to consider is what happens to your gun heaven forbid you have to use it to defend your home? It may be stuck in police custody for who knows how long, maybe indefinitely. There's a valid argument to be made about not choosing a defensive gun that you wouldn't mind losing if you ever had to use it. Would you be alright with possibly losing a $1200 gun if you had to use it in a defensive situation? For me, I would not be alright with that. That's what polymer guns are for.
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Our shop sold a metric ton of the Sig railed 1911s when it was on rebate a while back. IIRC, the fit and finish were fine (but it was stainless). Another plus for Sig was having the external extractor. While none of my Colts or my Kimber has had issue w/ JMB original internal extractor, the beefiness of Sig's gave me a warm feeling and extra feature to point out when selling it.
As has already been said though, OP BUY the COLT
As has already been said though, OP BUY the COLT
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Good grief, not this silly argument rearing its ugly head yet again:
Most of us use as our primary defensive pistols the gun we shoot best. I didn't buy an Ed Brown or a SIG Elite to only take to the range -- the guns I shoot best are the ones that defend me and mine. Of course, if you shoot a Glock better than a Wilson Premier, more power to you ...
I suspect, for most of us, if we had to use an expensive firearm in defense of ourselves or loved ones, losing the gun for however long would be the least of our worries. For me, if it saved my life, or the wife's or daughters' lives, it did its job and I'd not care a whit if I never got it back. (I'd be worrying about the 15 or 20 thousand dollars or more I'd be spending in legal fees when I got sued by the dead home invader's mom.)
Most of us use as our primary defensive pistols the gun we shoot best. I didn't buy an Ed Brown or a SIG Elite to only take to the range -- the guns I shoot best are the ones that defend me and mine. Of course, if you shoot a Glock better than a Wilson Premier, more power to you ...
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While not quite the same, I did have the unfortunate experience to have a valuable gun stolen from my nightstand several years ago during a burglary at my home. While the crime was mostly a quick smash and grab job, they didn't have time to try to get into my safe, but they did check the nightstand which had my gun (no children then so it was just in the drawer). The gun is no longer in production, so it couldn't be replaced by insurance. That was enough for me to switch to polymer guns for nightstand duty. I was sick about losing the gun for a long time.
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Probably a decent gun, but basically irrelevant to my situation since I don't believe in hanging various doodads, googaws and jimcracks off of handguns.
I don't own a handgun with a rail, and given the choice, likely never will.
I don't own a handgun with a rail, and given the choice, likely never will.
JTQ
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It's a Swartz firing pin safety. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rockstarmode/Swartz_safety_mechanism
May the Schwartz be with you.
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Well I personally do like jimcracks, so long as they aren't too doodaddy and only if they're not as heavy as a googaw.
But I've come to the conclusion that the ability to mount a light to a home defense handgun is very useful for my purposes. Most experts today would agree. One of my biggest fears in blowing away one of the unruly but harmless frat boys who seems to inhabit all dwellings in my vicinity. That's what you get for renting an apartment right next to a university, but with so many... inebriated... people out and about my town, I just want to make positive ID on the potential threat before I fire.
Just my $0.02, and it's why I want a 1911 with a rail.
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