New Colt XSE Rail Gun

Status
Not open for further replies.
I agree that a rail is for a HD weapon, I disagree that a 1911 is not a good HD weapon.
Click to expand...
It's a fine HD weapon, I just think some other guns are much more suited for the role.
 
My go to HD weapon is a Railed 1911 with Trijicon Night Sights.:D

Guess I must be an idiot!:neener:

I also have an M4gery and 870 at the ready--Always be prepared! :evil:
 
My go to HD weapon is a Railed 1911 with Trijicon Night Sights.

Guess I must be an idiot!
Click to expand...
Guess so... nah I'm just kidding. If I may ask though, what make and model is it, and what do you have it loaded with?
 
FUDD:

Slang term for a "casual" gun owner; eg; a person who typically only owns guns for hunting or shotgun sports and does not truly believe in the true premise of the second amendment. These people also generally treat owners/users of so called "non sporting" firearms like handguns or semiautomatic rifles with unwarranted scorn or contempt.
"See sonny, all those pistols in that cabinet... all thems is good for is killin people." -Example of ignorant comment from a fudd at a local gun shop. See also: Zumbo.
 
It's a fine HD weapon, I just think some other guns are much more suited for the role.
Click to expand...

OK, but why. I think it is. It fires a powerful cartridge in a manageable package. It is reliable, (yes, mine are) easy to manipulate with one hand if necessary and is quick to reload. It is safe and easy to put into action if necessary.
Not to mention that I have shot them for years and nothing I have shot since works as well for me. And I have shot lots of different types of handguns.
 
OK, but why.
Click to expand...
The way I see it, if you have enough room to, you might as well stagger your bullets and get greater capacity, I would also think that if you could, you would go with a gun that was designed to feed hollowpoints, and one that would feed them reliably without spending a fortune. I'm not hating on 1911's, but my favorite aspects of the design are looks and the slim profile.
 
I would also think that if you could, you would go with a gun that was designed to feed hollow-points, and one that would feed them reliably without spending a fortune.
Click to expand...

I could be wrong, but you sound like you have little first hand experience with the 1911. Or, you have been shooting one that has been "improved".
I can pull any of my Colts or my Norinco and they will feed anything I have put in them. They have done so right out of the box. I shoot basic 70/80 series without all the "mods". I have not spent any money getting them to do so. If you look at history, the 1911 and the .45 was basically designed to operate with FMJ (spare me the trivia of if it was 200 gr or 230 gr or whatever). It has served quite well with that load. You may remember WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, and various other "police actions". Not to mention the many priviate citizens who have used it over the years as well.

Hollowpoints where/are an effort to take a less than effective round (think 9mm FMJ) and attempt to improve said performance. Yes, a .45 with hollowpoints is ever better. But I have never felt undergunned with FMJ's in my 1911. I could not say that same thing when I have carried 9mm.

I am not sure who really pointed this out. But when you say Glock or XD you are talking about a single builder. When you say 1911 you are talking about who knows how many builders. And some of these builders have made some real garbage. Buy quality, buy Colt (or which one you have determined is "the" 1911)

Unless I am attacked by a zombie hoard I am quite confident my 8+1 of .45 ACP will be able to defend me and my household. If that fails then Mr. 870 Wingmaster will be invited to play.
 
Last edited:
you would go with a gun that was designed to feed hollowpoints, and one that would feed them reliably without spending a fortune.
Click to expand...

The 1911 doesn't have to be designed to handle HP's, in order to handle them well. The 1911 was designed to handle a certain ogive. Most bullet manufacturers have begun to understand this.

The average Colt, DW, Springer will handle HP's just fine.
 
I could be wrong, but you sound like you have little first hand experience with the 1911. Or, you have been shooting one that has been "improved".
Click to expand...
I've shot plenty of 1911's, both my own and others, and they generally tend to be more finicky than modern designs.
But I have never felt undergunned with FMJ's in my 1911. I could not say that same thing when I have carried 9mm.
Click to expand...
I would feel pretty much the same about a good 9mm hollowpoint, and a .45 fmj, in terms of stopping power, so if I had to choose between the two I would obviously go with the 9mm for greater capacity and controllability(and thus greater shot placement).But for an HD gun, I would just go with .40 JHPs, I see them as on about the same level of effectiveness with .45 HP's, and higher capacity is always a bonus.
I am not sure who really pointed this out. But when you say Glock or XD you are talking about a single builder. When you say 1911 you are talking about who knows how many builders. And some of these builders have made some real garbage. Buy quality, buy Colt (or which one you have determined is "the" 1911)
Click to expand...
One of my points was that a quality 1911 is generally more expensive than a quality glock or XD, you're paying much more for the same relative performance.
Unless I am attacked by a zombie hoard I am quite confident my 8+1 of .45 ACP will be able to defend me and my household.
Click to expand...
Why limit yourself? What could you possibly gain from having fewer shots? What practical HD applicable advantage does your colt have over a .45 XD or Glock?
The 1911 was designed to handle a certain ogive. Most bullet manufacturers have begun to understand this.
Click to expand...
Oh yes, let's further disadvantage the .45 hollowpoint that already has enough trouble expanding so we can shoot them in our 1911's.
The average Colt, DW, Springer will handle HP's just fine.
Click to expand...
And will cost considerably more than the average Glock or XD.
 
One of my points was that a quality 1911 is generally more expensive than a quality glock or XD, you're paying much more for the same relative performance.
Click to expand...
Rock Island Armory. About the same price as a GLOCK.

Also, I'd like to point out that I can only stomach rails on 1911s if they have a full dustcover.
 
Oh yes, let's further disadvantage the .45 hollowpoint that already has enough trouble expanding so we can shoot them in our 1911's.
Click to expand...

What ballistic gellatin are you quoting? If you are going to go through the standard internet searches, in order to prove your point, make sure it is up to date.
Why limit yourself? What could you possibly gain from having fewer shots? What practical HD applicable advantage does your colt have over a .45 XD or Glock?
Click to expand...
Ergonomics - very important under stress.

Great Trigger - also important under stress.

And will cost considerably more than the average Glock or XD.
Click to expand...
Sure does, and to many, it is worth the extra bucks. Shoot what you wish.
 
Rock Island Armory. About the same price as a GLOCK.
Click to expand...
Been there, done that, and was very disappointed. The thing jammed every mag with fmj's, I didn't even bother with HP's.
Also, I'd like to point out that I can only stomach rails on 1911s if they have a full dustcover.
Click to expand...
Now that I can agree with, some 1911's look good that way, such as Guncrafter's model 2.
What ballistic gellatin are you quoting?
Click to expand...
Can't recall off the top of my head, but the fact of the matter is that with such a slow moving round, a hollowpint's design should revolve around maximizing expansion, not pandering to a century old design.
Ergonomics - very important under stress.
Great Trigger - also important under stress.
Click to expand...
Ergonomics are highly subjective, a beretta m9 or cz 75 feels better in my hand than a 1911, and having a manual safety to fiddle with isn't exactly optimized for stressfull situations. A lightweight trigger will certainly help you discharge your gun accidentally, but I don't see how it will help much in a life or death situation.
 
Can't recall off the top of my head,
Click to expand...
I guess you can't. Try looking into HST, Ranger, Gold Dots, and Sabers.


but the fact of the matter is that with such a slow moving round, a hollowpint's design should revolve around maximizing expansion, not pandering to a century old design.
Click to expand...
It is not a fact; it is your supposition. And there is a reason a century old design is still around. It works, and works well.


Ergonomics are highly subjective, a beretta m9 or cz 75 feels better in my hand than a 1911, and having a manual safety to fiddle with isn't exactly optimized for stressfull situations. A lightweight trigger will certainly help you discharge your gun accidentally, but I don't see how it will help much in a life or death situation.
Click to expand...
There are certain standards by which handguns are judged. In the realm of ergonomics and revolvers, it is the Colt SAA. With autos, it's the 1911.
And I didn't say light weight trigger. I said great trigger, crisp, short, and with a quick reset. My SD 1911's have 4 1/2 - 6lb triggers. That's not light.

As far a the manual safety goes, it is a matter of training. Soldiers are expected to disengage their safety when needed, and do so without reported issues. Soldiers have been doing this for decades. Policeman have been doing this for decades. Surely this is not the problem you are making it out to be.

Don't be threatened by other's choices. The OP wanted to discuss rails on an XSE, not your oppinion of 1911's.
 
Last edited:
It is not a fact; it is your supposition.
Click to expand...
Hollowpoints need speed to expand, .45's generally move slowly.
And there is a reason a century old design is still around. It works, and works well.
Click to expand...
I'm sure it has nothing to do with our glorification of it, or its good looks. I do think it's probably the best choice for full size .45 carry, but like I said, once concealability is no longer an issue, there are less expensive, more reliable, higher capacity choices.
There are certain standards by which handguns are judged. In the realm of ergonomics and revolvers, it is the Colt SAA. With autos, it's the 1911.
Click to expand...
That doesn't mean it's objectively superior to other designs.
And I didn't say light weight trigger. I said great trigger, crisp, short, and with a quick reset. My SD 1911's have 4 1/2 - 6lb triggers. That's not light.
Click to expand...
And I seriously doubt that you'll notice the difference once the adrenaline kicks in.
As far a the manual safety goes, it is a matter of training. Soldiers are expected to disengage their safety when needed, and do so without reported issues. Soldiers have been doing this for decades. Policeman have been doing this for decades. Surely this is not the problem you are making it out to be.
Click to expand...
I didn't say that it was a huge problem, I said that it wasn't optimum.
Don't be threatened by other's choices. The OP wanted to discuss rails on an XSE, not your oppinion of 1911's.
Click to expand...
I'm not threatened at all, I honestly don't care what others use, I'm just defending my personal position. All of this has been about rails on an XSE, I said that I don't like rails on a 1911 because they work against the design's two best features, looks and concealability.
 
Hollowpoints need speed to expand, .45's generally move slowly.
Click to expand...
Again, you need to check HST, God Dots, Sabers, and Rangers. These all seem to expand quiet well at low velocities.

That doesn't mean it's objectively superior to other designs.
Click to expand...
The grip/angle has been copied by many successful recent designs - doubt it? Check out the HK45. Larry Vickers had the 1911 in mind when he made his suggestions. The 1911 is very viable.

And I seriously doubt that you'll notice the difference once the adrenaline kicks in.
Click to expand...
You are judging others by your standards.

I'm not threatened at all, I honestly don't care what others use, I'm just defending my personal position. All of this has been about rails on an XSE, I said that I don't like rails on a 1911 because they work against the design's two best features, looks and concealability.
Click to expand...
You wouldn't post such opinions, if you didn't care what others are using.
 
psssst... 1911's and Globs are junk-

The only pistol worth having is the Hipoint-
Rails are for sissies-
The best bullet for self defending is the Lead Round Nose-
Safeties... we don't need no stinking safeties-
A good trigger feels like your dragging a cinder block across a gravel road-
Minimum on board round count... 27 rounds-

wow... what was the OP's question?
 
The grip/angle has been copied by many successful recent designs - doubt it? Check out the HK45. Larry Vickers had the 1911 in mind when he made his suggestions. The 1911 is very viable.
Click to expand...
But still, not objectively superior to other designs.
You are judging others by your standards.
Click to expand...
No, I'm generalizing. Practically any imperfection in a gun can be overcome with adequate training, but that doesn't stop it from being an imperfection.
You wouldn't post such opinions, if you didn't care what others are using.
Click to expand...
To me, practically any thread posted in an internet forum is an open invitation for someone to express their opinion. I personally like speaking my mind, even if it won't affect the views of anyone else. The fact that you're willing to attack my character by calling me a liar on top of your feiry defense of the 1911 as an HD gun makes you look a little fanatical.

I've expressed my views and lain out my points, there's no use in me commenting further on this thread and turning it into a flame war.
 
Hey GoodKat, have you found all those tests with modern JHPs in .45 that don't expand well because they're going too slow? Let us know when you do.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

F
  • Locked
Colt Rail Gun price question
Replies
9
Views
601
MCgunner
M
S
  • Locked
Colt model 70 series vs. new xse 1911
Replies
3
Views
2K
brasskeeper
brasskeeper
Sergei Mosin
  • Locked
New Colts for 2015
2
Replies
25
Views
3K
Winkman822
W
D
  • Locked
New grips... time for new pics... Colt XSE Government
Replies
10
Views
691
larry starling
L
S
  • Locked
1911 Range/Target
Replies
14
Views
806
ForumSurfer
F
Back
Top