Is just me or are there others out there that are resentful of the antis use of the term "common sense" to push their opinions? I think I have "common sense" and I don't agree that we can "all agree" on YOUR grab at MY guns and rights. Opinions anyone? If this post belongs elsewhere please place appropriately.
"Common sense" Is it just me...?
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Dframe
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Common sense is non-existent in the kook left and far too uncommon on our side. I find the use of the term by the left extremely offensive.
Officers'Wife
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In my limited experience the moment someone starts appealing to "common sense" their arguments have very little sense common or otherwise.
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Bandwagon and Common Ground logical fallacies.
Just because "everybody's doing it" and "we just need to compromise" doesn't mean something is either true, nor logical.
Just because "everybody's doing it" and "we just need to compromise" doesn't mean something is either true, nor logical.
OilyPablo
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Common sense legislation has become nothing more than a buzz phrase to deprive people of their rights.
Sam1911
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Are we just now realizing that political actors use aggrandizing, belittling, inflatory, grand-standing, denigrating, divisive, whitewash, and otherwise fatuous adjectives to describe the great things they want or the stupid things their opponents want?
Am I insulted that Obama says his gun control wishes are "common sense?" Not really. Certainly no more than I'm insulted that other politicos say that the TSA and the Patriot Act (what a kick in the teeth THAT name is) are for "Homeland Security."
What's the alternative? "Hi y'all, and I'm so happy you've invited me here today to speak to you about my gun control plans! Now my ideas are vapid but I do expect you to vote for them because you're too ignorant and too disengaged from the actual issue to bother to figure out whether my plans make a lick of sense. They're appealing to you because they promise something un-deliverable, but at the expense of something else you don't understand or care about. So that's all gravy, right? By the time you realize they didn't help anything -- if you EVER do! -- I'll be long retired and my legacy will be preserved as someone who 'did something.' Yes, you're dupes and fools, each and every one. There's no denying that, now is there? But if you weren't, I'd have no reason to speak with you, no hope of your support, and you'd all be throwing garbage at me instead of your donations. Can I get an AMEN!? I'd like to take you each by the hand and thank you from the bottom of my heart for being so ignorant, such party toadies, and so easily swayed. I do so thank you for your support and God bless!"
Am I insulted that Obama says his gun control wishes are "common sense?" Not really. Certainly no more than I'm insulted that other politicos say that the TSA and the Patriot Act (what a kick in the teeth THAT name is) are for "Homeland Security."
What's the alternative? "Hi y'all, and I'm so happy you've invited me here today to speak to you about my gun control plans! Now my ideas are vapid but I do expect you to vote for them because you're too ignorant and too disengaged from the actual issue to bother to figure out whether my plans make a lick of sense. They're appealing to you because they promise something un-deliverable, but at the expense of something else you don't understand or care about. So that's all gravy, right? By the time you realize they didn't help anything -- if you EVER do! -- I'll be long retired and my legacy will be preserved as someone who 'did something.' Yes, you're dupes and fools, each and every one. There's no denying that, now is there? But if you weren't, I'd have no reason to speak with you, no hope of your support, and you'd all be throwing garbage at me instead of your donations. Can I get an AMEN!? I'd like to take you each by the hand and thank you from the bottom of my heart for being so ignorant, such party toadies, and so easily swayed. I do so thank you for your support and God bless!"
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W.E.G.
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Any time you can one-on-one a "common sense" charlatan, push them.
If they don't know you, and you act like you are on their side, they will readily admit that all guns should be banned in the hands of "civilians."
Then you have them.
If they don't know you, and you act like you are on their side, they will readily admit that all guns should be banned in the hands of "civilians."
Then you have them.
Doc Samson
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The progressive leftists are experts at setting the agenda and using vocabulary/terminology to their advantage. When we oppose their "common sense" on any issue, it automatically makes us appear unreasonable. Facts and logic are completely secondary to creating an emotional response in their favor.
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I'm a strong believer that the words "common sense" and "gun laws" never go together.
It is their dismissive schitk to pretend that they are arguing from the High Ground.
It's something that proves they don't want an open ended conversation, because they start out their statement by automatically saying anyone who disagrees with them lacks common sense and is wrong.
It's like one side of Congress blaming the other side for holding up the budget because they refuse to vote for an item, when in actuality they ave both holding up the budget, because one side refuses to vote for the item, and the other side refuses to just let the item die.
HankB
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Q: "Do you support common sense gun laws?"
A: "You mean rolling back all Federal gun legislation to what we had in 1933? Of course I do!"
A: "You mean rolling back all Federal gun legislation to what we had in 1933? Of course I do!"
As soon as I hear the words “common sense” I request the data that verifies the proposed action makes sense. If the antagonist can’t supply verifiable data to support his argument, I stop listening and move on. I have far more important issues to occupy my mind with than listening to ignorant individuals espousing “common sense” anything.
I do find it insulting and infuriating that our “leaders” are all too frequently deceitful and patronizing.
I do find it insulting and infuriating that our “leaders” are all too frequently deceitful and patronizing.
It's a cheap trick.
If you don't agree with "common sense reform," you don't have "common sense."
If you don't agree with "reasonable restrictions," you're not being reasonable.
If you don't agree with "common sense reform," you don't have "common sense."
If you don't agree with "reasonable restrictions," you're not being reasonable.
Sam1911
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It helps if you picture Charles Durning as "Pappy O'Daniel" in Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?".
When a politician says "common sense legislation," it usually means the legislation makes no sense, will not be effective at its stated goal, and will likely desecrate your rights. If the legislation could stand on its own merits rather than catch phrases, they would argue the issues rather than the buzz words; they don't.
It also accomplishes vilification of the opposition. Who opposes "common sense"? It's like the term "assault weapon." Assault is a violent crime, and a weapon is used against another person. I can use my baseball bat to play baseball, or I can use it as a weapon. Using the phrase "assault weapon," by definition, you're saying, "This item will be used against another person to commit a violent crime." Then they ask ignorant people if they support a ban on such items.
The anti-gun politicians are brilliant when it comes to using manipulative language on ignorant people.
It also accomplishes vilification of the opposition. Who opposes "common sense"? It's like the term "assault weapon." Assault is a violent crime, and a weapon is used against another person. I can use my baseball bat to play baseball, or I can use it as a weapon. Using the phrase "assault weapon," by definition, you're saying, "This item will be used against another person to commit a violent crime." Then they ask ignorant people if they support a ban on such items.
The anti-gun politicians are brilliant when it comes to using manipulative language on ignorant people.
stonecutter2
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I'm with you.
It's an arrogant and unfortunate phrase that insinuates that someone lacks common sense if they don't agree with someone else's perspective on gun control.
I think people use it to try and persuade, but really all it seems to do is ruffle my feathers.
It's an arrogant and unfortunate phrase that insinuates that someone lacks common sense if they don't agree with someone else's perspective on gun control.
I think people use it to try and persuade, but really all it seems to do is ruffle my feathers.
100% + Yep that is what it means to me and it is 'reasonable' too.
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stonecutter2
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I think there's an opportunity for some kind of "Uncommon Sense" ad campaign that's tongue-in-cheek just as "elitist," and counters the anti-gun activists.
Like this:
http://i.imgur.com/gmIKTh0.jpg
Like this:
http://i.imgur.com/gmIKTh0.jpg
TimSr
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"Common Sense" = If you don't agree with me, you don't have any.
It can also often mean "ignore the facts and appeal to your emotions".
It can also often mean "ignore the facts and appeal to your emotions".
Plan2Live
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While I strongly disagree with the Left's definition of common sense, I find common sense is often lacking in many gun owners.
I will leave it at that for now but will expand if asked to explain what I mean.
I will leave it at that for now but will expand if asked to explain what I mean.
Zaydok Allen
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Common sense means different things to different people. Don't be insulted by the term or usage. Be insulted by the fact that they think you'll fall for their hollow arguments, and won't do your own investigations into the matter.
AlexanderA
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"Common sense" is just something that's superficially plausible. It appeals to the uninformed and the intellectually lazy.
Old Dog
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Look, we (the pro-gun side) have just as many hackneyed clichés as the anti side does. No point in obsessing about verbiage. Concentrate, and attack, the actual message, not catch-phrases or buzz-words.
Otherwise we're just trading slogans. (Part of how we in Washington lost the election that cost us I-594.)
Otherwise we're just trading slogans. (Part of how we in Washington lost the election that cost us I-594.)
mdauben
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It's become a buzz word for the antis to imply that anyone who disagrees with the suggestion if stupid.
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