Compact XD-9 or CS-9 for CCW?

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For concealed carry which would you choose and why? The XD is $400 and the S&W is $550 (out the door prices).

I like the feel of both, pointability is the same, but I've not fired either. I kinda like the decocker but the trigger on the XD is very nice.

The CS-9 is definitely prettier but, boy, $150 for looks? How about accuracy, holsters, dependability? They both have a life time guarantee I think. How about recoil?
 
XD-9 compact....it is accurate and 100% reliable...

I think most of the custom makers now offer the XD-9 c's in there lineup...
 
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I think "for concealed carry" would make thickness and weight an important consideration, if both guns are reliable and shoot okay. Both guns have a lot going for them, but I see the CS9 as particularly well suited to CCW, although perhaps as a second choice gun for warmer weather or greater concealment.

One is DAO, double stack; and the other (CS9) is single stack and single action on the second and following shots...what S&W calls TDA (traditional double action).

On price, you would be deciding whether an all-business, plastic gun suits you, or if you want to own and carry a nice looking, sophisticated design because you can. Also, one is imported and the other is not. "Buying American" can be a factor also.
 
Actually, the XD9 is considered single action, for all of the shots.

I like the S&Ws, but I am just uncomfortable with DA/SA handguns. I can't seem to fire as quickly with them as I can with a SA only handgun, and be as accurate as I am in with a SA only gun.

I personally would go for the springfield over the S&W. In fact, thats what I did do. I purchased my XD9 Subcompact the day after christmas, and it has been flawless. I carry it IWB in a Comp-tac Shirttucker, and it conceals very nicely, if you know how to conceal.

Had S&W made a SA only based on the 908 series, I probably would have purchased it awhile ago.

I.G.B.
 
38snapcaps

I have the CS45 and an XD in 9MM and 357Sig. I find the recoil on the CS45 the mildest recoil on any 45 I own. The other 45's being a Kimber CDP Custom and A S&W 4563. So maybe consider the CS45. After all a bigger projectile is always better!!

As for the XD I LOVE these guys I think it is one of the finest pistols made. If you buy the XD you have an advantage because you can use the 40/357Sig mags as high caps that will hold 15 rounds. Glock does the same thing with their mags just don't know Glock's well enough to know model numbers.

Good luck with your decision. If you are considering a 40 cal. saw a CS40 (NIB) for $450 on Gunbrokers a few weeks ago.
 
"Buying American"? You want to buy from a company whose CEO used to rob people at gunpoint with S&W revolvers?

He's paid his debt to society. This should be a success story not a liability.

I don't know if convicted felons can sever on corporate Boards or if he's had his rights restored -- Clinton was passing out pardons like candy his last days in office, perhaps he was restored as well.


There are solid reasons for S&W being on our ????list due to their HUD agreement with the Clinton Administration.

--wally.
 
I haven't shot the subcompact XD, only the regular model 9mm ...

The HS/XD design seems to be getting the minor bugs worked out, although you can still hear about some folks experiencing broken ejectors ... but to be fair, it mostly seems as though it's the folks that are fooling around with using non-XD magazines, like the Beretta magazines, slightly modified, trying to get "increased capacity" from their XD.

The XD I used at our range one day belonged to a fellow from another agency, whom I was qualifying for his duty & off duty weapons. It was a bit bulky, and while the trigger is a SA type, it lacked the crisp "feel" of a true hammer fired, single action pistol. Not bad, mind you ... but about on a par with a decent Glock trigger, stock, which exhibits a bit of firm "staging". Predictable ... but it'll never become a "substitute" for a cocked & locked 1911, or even the SA trigger pull of a recent production S&W TDA pistol which is on the "smooth" side of standard tolerance. Better than a HK USP, however ... ;)

I will say that the grip angle seems more "traditional" on the HS/XD design, than it does on the Glock, and folks who prefer 1911's, 1935's and other older designs may discover the XD to possess a surprisingly ergonomic grip angle ... and the grip safety is "neutral" when it comes to being user friendly ... for me, anyway.

I like the fact that it uses metal bodied magazines ... That will go a long way to eliminating some of the "minor" magazine problems experienced by many Glock shooters, I'd suspect.

Having handled the subcompact XD, it seems a bit bulky for my hand ... especially when it comes to off duty, concealed carry. I prefer my CS9.

Of course, I've spent a reasonable time becoming adequately proficient with the TDA (DA/SA) trigger system, and find it equally accurate in either DA mode, for the first shot, or for follow up SA shots. That takes practice and specific training, though, and many folks may not have either the time, or inclination, to become sufficiently trained with DA & SA pistol shooting.

This is where I think that a lot of previous revolver training and practice stands some pistol shooters in good stead, when it comes to mastering DA triggers ... Sure, it's easy to become potentially "accurate" with a cocked (SA) revolver, but it takes proper practice to master the DA trigger stroke to exhibit consistent accuracy, you know?

I've talked to a couple of folks online that have fired a decent enough number of rounds through their XD's to consider them reliable ...

In the end, I suppose it'll depend on what YOU prefer in a small CCW pistol ...

The CS9 DOES have a Lifetime Warranty, however ... ;)

Why not eventually get both, and give them some extended "testing" for the next 10,000-15,000 rounds, and let us know what YOU think? :)
 
Mine has never failed me


I think most of the "small parts failures" were from the extractors on the original pistols...springy for the most part seems to have this problem sorted out...

I trust mine 100%:D

I even make holsters for them:cool:
 
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Beautiful
 
Bear in mind that the S&W has a magazine safety. This automatically disqualifies it from the list of handguns I'll rely on for defence. If I have to change a magazine, and something comes up halfway that requires me to shoot the round in the chamber, I want to be able to do so! With the S&W, I can't... :fire:
 
A good point about the magazine disconnect. I've never carried a gun with one and would be hesitant to do so.

Having said that, have you held these guns next to each other? I haven't, but the CZ9 sure seems thinner than the XD. Weight may be about the same but I've always found I personally would prefer a trim but heavier gun to a bulkier but light weight gun... within reason, of course.

Haven't shot the subcompact XD but they seem awfully top heavy. I do hear many more positive reports than negative.
 
Exactly what is the (USA TM) action trigger system on the Springfield XD?

The trigger looks like a Glock. There is no external hammer. Yet it was described in a post as entirely single action. Is it substantially different in principal from the Glock, not that I know exactly what that is either? I did not find an explanation of the trigger action on the Springfield website.
 
Realgun,

Essentially, a glock is not fully cocked untill you start pulling the trigger. Pulling the trigger completes the cocking as well as fires the pistol, so it is basically double action.

The XD is fully cocked before you press the trigger. Pressing the trigger only fires the pistol, so it is single action.

I.G.B.
 
it is mechanically single action but the pull isn't short and crisp like a 1911 so it "feels" like a short double action. For 'tactical' work I haven't found it to be a liability at all.

atek3
 
38snapcaps,

Have you actually fired either of these pistols, yet? If so, what did you think of their differences in connection to what YOU desire in a CCW weapon? Any closer to a decision? Leaning more toward one or the other when it comes to the DA/SA (TDA) of the CS9 or the SA of the XD9?

Just wondering ...

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as opposed to the xd which has... oh yeah, a lifetime warranty.

You're quite correct ...

But ... the HS/XD is already in the hands of the second importer. S&W has been around for a bit longer ... (even if its ownership has changed hands a couple of times, too.;)) ...

I have no reason to expect that the Croatian firearms manufacturer won't be making the HS/XD design for many years to come ... but then again, what good would it have done for an owner of the once-popular Star PD to have been promised a Lifetime warranty if it had been offered in the heyday of Star pistols?

I just like to take a "wait & see" approach to new firearms and calibers, is all ...

Hey, I didn't jump at the chance to buy a Steyr GB for wholesale many years ago, either.:) http://www.remtek.com/arms/steyr/gb/gb.htm
 
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