Concealed carry online????

[theboyscout]

Hello,

I recently received an advertisement about getting my concealed carry permit online. its a former CIA officer who is now sharing this online permit through the law $18.2-308(G)(7), it can be found at gunsecret.com. my question is whether or not this is true and if it would qualify in other states?

the site states and according to the FAQ that:

1) a guy named Jason Hanson. a former CIA Officer is the creator of the most convenient way to take your concealed carry permit training. the online course is suppose to fulfill the training requirements for the state of Virginia. and the Virginia's online classes make it easy for out-of-state gun owners to get permits.

2) This permit is to be excepted in Virginia, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia, and Wyoming.

CAN ANYONE CLEAR THIS UP FOR ME????

 

[dab102999]

I dont know about the other states you have listed but Michigan will only accept permit issued by your state of residents...I.e. if you are a ohio resident must have ohio permit or a florida resident must have a florida permit for example.

 

[Bobson]

...an advertisement about getting my concealed carry permit online. its a former CIA officer who is now sharing this online permit...

 

[Sam1911]

Sounds like his course will count toward the educational requirement for getting a permit in VA.

The law he cites is just Virginia's code on carrying a concealed weapon. http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-308

There's nothing magical here. Just someone selling his training class. A very, very well hyped training class.

I'm not sure where you're getting that this is some special KIND of permit. He can't give you any permit at all. He's just covering one of the bases required TO APPLY FOR A PERMIT in some states.

 

[mljdeckard]

Utah changed their law to say that classes must be taught in person, for this reason precisely.

 

[TonyDedo]

I'm one of those crazy guys who takes firearms classes because I don't know everything and I hope to learn something, improve my skills and become a more effective at the topic at hand, not because the gov't tells me I need to. So my thought is that if I'm going to pay to take a class, I'm going to make sure I go to a reputable instructor or program that's going to teach me something.


CCW classes are a dime a dozen; most states accept basic or slightly modified NRA classes to fulfill the educational requirement for a CCW license, and all it takes is a pulse and a couple hundred dollars in order to become a licensed instructor.

If I were you I'd forget about the gimmick online class and actually find a program where you'll learn something.

 

[beatledog7]

most states accept basic or slightly modified NRA classes to fulfill the educational requirement for a CCW license, and all it takes is a pulse and a couple hundred dollars in order to become a licensed instructor.

So, I take it you have completed the requirements and become an NRA Certified (not licensed) Instructor?

Many of us believe that training should not be mandatory for exercising a constitutional right. Given that, why would we insist that where such a requirement does exist that an on-line course is insufficient?

I'm a firm believer in training, but I can also read. There's no training/licensure/certification requirement in "...shall not be infringed."

 

[GoWolfpack]

I got my CHP with an online course. Does this make me less qualified, legally speaking? My permit looks exactly the same as the person who took a class at a range, and the same as if I had shadowed Mas Ayoob for a year before getting it.

A friend of mine is a master level IDPA shooter. Our carry permits still look exactly the same and confer exactly the same rights.

Carry permits are an infringement. Requiring expensive classes to get your permit is a further infringement. Requiring I take those expensive classes on someone else's schedule subject to the whims of an instructor is more infringement still. Online classes are just one small step in the direction of less infringement.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

Q: What do they call they guy that graduated last in his class in Medical School?

A: Doctor

Having said that, The name Jason Hanson has popped up on various forums around the internet and I haven't heard a whole good about him ever. So I probably wouldn't take the class from him just because of that

 

[tepin]

It looks like as of August 26, 2013 Florida changed their certificate requirements due to instructor fraud. So if the instructor is including Florida he'll have to issue the certification using Florida's form. You can read the FL memo here.

There isn't anything wrong with online CCW training, especially for renewals. It really comes down to the student and what they are comfortable with. I have discussed this with others and its about a 50/50 split. If folks are getting bachelor and master degrees online from accredited brick-and-mortar colleges and universities, there should not be a problem with learning legal concepts related to firearms etc.... online as well. Probably also depends on how the material is presented.

Something else... I lived in FL for 5 years and I seem to recall that FL CCW instructors also had to have an NRA instructor certification. I didn't see any mention of NRA instructor creds on the guys web site. He has a "Join NRA" button but that's all I could find. Might want to check that out if you plan to apply for a FL permit.

 

[TonyDedo]

So, I take it you have completed the requirements and become an NRA Certified (not licensed) Instructor?

Many of us believe that training should not be mandatory for exercising a constitutional right. Given that, why would we insist that where such a requirement does exist that an on-line course is insufficient?

I'm a firm believer in training, but I can also read. There's no training/licensure/certification requirement in "...shall not be infringed."

Yes, I'm an NRA Certified instructor, and going through the process and interacting with many of the instructors in the area taught me one thing - all instructors are not created equal.

Otherwise, I'm not sure where the rest of your commentary is coming from. I'm not supporting, or even discussing the validity of licensing requirements. All I'm saying is that IF you're going to take a course, don't feed the certificate mills, take a class from a capable, reputable instructor that actually teaches you something useful. And I'm implying that an online course is a certificate mill.

Just like wearing seatbelts and helmets, I think it's irresponsible and stupid to CCW without any formal education or training, but I don't think it's the government's responsibility to mandate that training.

 

[X-Rap]

This country has made huge strides in the personal freedoms guaranteed by the 2a but now as we move to the next level of freedom we increasingly are coming up against those who somehow are making a living selling us our rights.
Online, in a classroom it really makes no difference because we give our $50-$100 to the instructor for our piece of paper that along with another substantial sum of money we are allowed to exercise our god given right for a period set by those collecting the money.
The next evolution my prove harder than the first since so many have become dependent upon the infusion of money through the permit system, same can be said for background checks.
Good for states like VT, AZ, AK, WY but they as a rule don't wish to involve themselves in the publics business but I remember the protest from AZ instructors and I believe that it led to some of the restrictions that they have with constitutional carry. Not sure about the others.

 

[OurSafeHome.net]

It looks like as of August 26, 2013 Florida changed their certificate requirements due to instructor fraud. So if the instructor is including Florida he'll have to issue the certification using Florida's form. You can read the FL memo here.

That is only applicable to armed security guard training programs. It has nothing to do with the Florida License to Carry a Concealed Weapon or Firearm.

 

[Speedo66]

What does the fact that he may or may not be a former CIA officer have to do with anything?

CIA is tasked to carry out all their work off shore. Which gives him no special knowledge of state or internal US law.

Ask him if you can pay with your secret Nigerian bank acct.

 

[SP2000]

It's legit. You can get a Virginia non-resident CCW permit. Virginia accepts online training. Every state should. I asked my local sheriff in Ohio and if your state has reciprocity with Virginia, you can use it.

 

[Willie Sutton]

Dane Nafe wrote:


"My company has helped 2,397 people obtain their licenses to lawfully carry a concealed weapon by way of online training + instructor led live fire clinics"


Note that this is a combination of:

1: Online training.

and

2: Instructor led live fire.


I can personally vouch for both the methodology and the particular expertise of this person and his operation. The method of learning the academics by self directed online work preceeding a period of personalized training by an instructor works, and is modelled on the way that much SCUBA diving training is done now: Online academics preceeding pool and open water diving. Dan, in fact, has one foot on both worlds (as do I), and I know him more for his diving interests than his firearms interests, both of which are done at a professional level.

I had occasion to take Dan's course both as a student and as a course evaluator, and it was extremely professionally organized and operated. Having a professional level background in firearms, I was able to do the required academics and pass the required test in under an hour, and fifteen minutes at the range finished the live fire. My fiancee', without any firearms background, took at least ten hours to get thru the material (while discussing it with me), and took a full morning at the range. The beauty of this sort of course is that the academics is self-paced: If you already know the material you can get thru it very quickly, and if not you can take your time.


It's an excellent program.



The original progam being discussed is... well, "snake oil salesman" comes to mind.



Willie


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[smalls]

What's the difference between taking the class portion online or in person? When I took mine, all it was was a slide show on laws. I could've clicked "next slide" myself. You learn the same stuff sitting at your desk you would sitting in a classroom desk.

Obviously you can't learn to shoot online, if your state requires a range portion of the class.

He's just trying to earn a buck by catering to people who are either too busy or too lazy to go take a class. Good for him. And really, who cares what he did for a living before this? It's a concealed carry permit class, not tactical training.

 

[beatledog7]

All I'm saying is that IF you're going to take a course, don't feed the certificate mills, take a class from a capable, reputable instructor that actually teaches you something useful. And I'm implying that an online course is a certificate mill.

Just like wearing seatbelts and helmets, I think it's irresponsible and stupid to CCW without any formal education or training, but I don't think it's the government's responsibility to mandate that training.

On these points we agree completely.

As for your statement: "all instructors are not created equal," I also agree but would add that what would seem to be relevant experience (military special forces, law enforcement, sports shooting success, etc.) does not make a person a good instructor.

Teaching in any area of life is a craft unto itself. Being really good at something doesn't make a person automatically able to teach it to others, nor does having little "relevant" experience necessarily make one unable to teach others.

 

[X-Rap]

I wish they would do the mandated hunter safety classes on line as well. It was well pointed out above how being able to move at a pace driven by the student is effective in their comprehension. If the student has a capable person helping them view the class and comment along the way I see it as at least as helpful as all the anecdotal tales one gets for a live instructor.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

I wouldn't mind an interactive online course. I'd like to be able to ask questions if needed

 

[HankR]

Virginia accepts online training. Every state should

I guess I'm not in a hurry to convince my state to start requiring "training" for a God given right, just so they can accept "online training". It's bad enough that they make me get a permit to exercise a God given right. Once you add a training requirement, who watches the watchers to make sure it doesn't devolve into a poll tax, where the state gets to decide who passes?

 

[tommy.duncan]

I originally took my class online. I thought about it before I applied for my CCW. I figured if (or when) I have to use my pistol for defensive purposes, there will be a lawsuit involved. I figured a live instructor would be better then starting a police investigation with "I passed the class online". Even if you are protecting yourself, or your family, we live in a lawsuit happy society.

 

[armedaccountant]

Look up the gun free school zones act. You can only carry in a school zone if you are licensed by your state. If I had got my carry license online I wouldn't be able to drive down my street armed. You probably don't realize how many school zones there really are.

 

[tepin]

The permit to carry is a state issued permit. The original poster was inquiring about taking the state required training online via the internet.

 

[NavyLCDR]

The permit to carry is a state issued permit. The original poster was inquiring about taking the state required training online via the internet.

Yes, but in order to be exempt for the 1000 ft school zone prohibition contained in Federal law [18 USC 922(q)(2)], the permit must be issued by the same state the school zone is located in. If I want to legally carry a loaded gun within 1000' of a school on public property in VA, than I need a VA permit to be exempt from the Federal law. If I want to do the same in Montana, then I need a Montana permit to be exempt from the Federal law.