Does anyone have their concealed carry permit and not really carry? Some say if you don’t exercise your rights, someone can more easily take them away. I figure that the more citizens that obtain concealed carry permits, possibly the more open minded some politicians and some anti’s might be. I have been considering getting mine, but I don’t know how often I would carry. I would probably carry sometimes, such as when driving to non-populous areas. But a great deal of the time that I go out, it is to a restaurant, where you cannot carry concealed here in VA. So, does anyone get their permit for any reason in addition to carrying?
Concealed Carry Permit without Carrying?
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Black Majik
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Recently discussed. Many have CCW's but dont carry. I guess they just like to know they can carry if they need to.
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P95Carry
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Indeed ... this is an oft discussed subject ... I carry all the time in my waking hours - and at night the piece is within easy reach. I feel it is better to adopt a routine of continuity and uniformity. It is there .. period!
Many however do wish simply to have the choice when they wish to excercize that ....... plus those who want to be legal with a loaded piece in the vehicle ... perhaps a common reason.
Try a search on CCW and allied aspects ... you'll find plenty to read!
As the expression goes tho ... ''People can't make appointments for emergencies''!
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Many however do wish simply to have the choice when they wish to excercize that ....... plus those who want to be legal with a loaded piece in the vehicle ... perhaps a common reason.
Try a search on CCW and allied aspects ... you'll find plenty to read!
As the expression goes tho ... ''People can't make appointments for emergencies''!
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BTW - nearly said ''Welcome to THR'' ....... but, well ..... May 2003! Guess it's ''Welcome back''!
Redlg155
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Here in FL many folks get a concealed carry permit so they can take their handgun purchase home the same day, especially LE folks.
There is no Law Enforcement expemtion when purchasing personal weapons. As a Corrections Officer I can carry without a concealed carry permit as long as I retain my certification and employment with an agency, but I am subjected to the 3 day wait. With a CC permit I can take it home the same day.
But to answer the question, I know of a lot of folks who have a carry permit for the convenience of handgun purchases and being able to have a loaded weapon in the vehicle.
Good Shooting
Red
There is no Law Enforcement expemtion when purchasing personal weapons. As a Corrections Officer I can carry without a concealed carry permit as long as I retain my certification and employment with an agency, but I am subjected to the 3 day wait. With a CC permit I can take it home the same day.
But to answer the question, I know of a lot of folks who have a carry permit for the convenience of handgun purchases and being able to have a loaded weapon in the vehicle.
Good Shooting
Red
George S.
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I don't always carry. Sort of depends on the situation. I don't carry at work because I drive our customers around in a company car. Some customers may not be comfortable with that if they found out I was armed. I'm OK with that and I don't really feel naked or unprotected at work. I do however, keep one of my guns in my personal vehicle at all times and locked up when I'm not in it.
One advantage of a CCW is the ability to purchase a pistol and take it home at the same time. Of course, this costs me more money now because I don't have to think about how bad I really want a new toy and then pass because of a waiting period.
One advantage of a CCW is the ability to purchase a pistol and take it home at the same time. Of course, this costs me more money now because I don't have to think about how bad I really want a new toy and then pass because of a waiting period.
Stand_Watie
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I rarely carry on my person, but always in my vehicle. Depends on where I am. I live in the country, so am more concerned about having a gun handy for four legged predators (like coyotes) rather than two. When I'm in town I usually put my gun in my pocket before getting out of the car. At home I've always got a longarm handy anyway (which beats a pistol in my book) and when I go for a walk in the woods or whatever of course I take a snake gun along.
I know it's complacent of me not to carry all the time, wherever I am, but I guess part of the complacency is knowing that so many more people out in the country where I live are armed, so the whacko shooter scenario seems less likely to me.
I know it's complacent of me not to carry all the time, wherever I am, but I guess part of the complacency is knowing that so many more people out in the country where I live are armed, so the whacko shooter scenario seems less likely to me.
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dav
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A goodly number of people also get non-resident permits from other states, but cannot carry in their own state.
Guess why I know that?
Guess why I know that?
I live in Ohio, and fully intend to get a CCW permit because I want to support RKBA and so I will have one if I ever decide to carry concealed. That said, I don't see myself carrying on a regular basis. I fully support those who do carry, though.
Edward429451
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There's a (legend) rumor going around that we the people are the power and immune to federal legislation and do not require rights granted to us for the payment of a fee thru application. I'm not college edumacated but I'm no dummy and I can comprehend it. Keep & bear arms...Shall not be infringed...seems pretty clear to me.
My thinking is that if you sign your name to the CCW contract, you are aquiesing (sp?) that right to the government. If they grant you the privilege, then they can take it away also. There's a very fine line of truth being skirted that should be understood before signing away ones rights for the illusion of a right.
So to answer your question, I carry 99.9% of the time and threw the ccw application packet into the trashcan. Reread your post which says "if you dont excercise your rights (think constitutionally) someone can more easily take them away..." (think ccw permit).
IME, the easy way is usually not the correct way. But the fear factor you know...gubmint machineguns and all that, makes most people take the easy way and get permission rather than stand up to the lieing bully.
YMMV.
Double Naught Spy
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You know Edward, it seems clear to many people who often need to take a normal thread and turn it into some sort of political soapbox thread. You don't have to be college educated to fully understand that the 'shall not be infringed' aspect of the so-called rumor seems not to ever hold up in court...sort of like all those folks who claim that taxes are voluntary and so decide not to pay them and end up in prison for some strange reason pertaining to non-payment of taxes.
I had one guy go through the training course who didn't even own a handgun at the time. Some business associates thought it would be fun and talked him into it.
He later bought a handgun but his wife would not let him go shooting unless supervised. I believe she will now let him carry concealed under some circumstances.
A lot of people get them because it skirts the insta-check and a lot of people say they carry only in their cars. A license is necessary to routinely carry in a private automobile in Texas
He later bought a handgun but his wife would not let him go shooting unless supervised. I believe she will now let him carry concealed under some circumstances.
A lot of people get them because it skirts the insta-check and a lot of people say they carry only in their cars. A license is necessary to routinely carry in a private automobile in Texas
Greybeard
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I had a cute little female flight attendant take my CHL course (with her boyfriend) back in '96 "just in case". She paid the $140 to DPS, got the license, but did not even own a handgun.
Shortly after she and her boyfriend broke up, she evaded (by about 2 seconds) an attempted car jacking/kidnapping in a Bennigan's parking lot in Fort Worth. And used her CHL to be able to immediately buy a 5-hole .38 the next morning. Any bets on whether or not she "carries" now?
Shortly after she and her boyfriend broke up, she evaded (by about 2 seconds) an attempted car jacking/kidnapping in a Bennigan's parking lot in Fort Worth. And used her CHL to be able to immediately buy a 5-hole .38 the next morning. Any bets on whether or not she "carries" now?
even without an "event" like that, it seems like people with licenses start paying attention to what is going on around them and come up with reasons to carry that they never really thought about before.
I had an interesting one. A nurse who was followed home from her hospital job one night and decided she really did need to learn how to handle her Smith .41 Magnum. She took to it instantly- the way some of them do- translating basic instructions into action. She was laying in tight clusters at three and seven yards by the time it got too dart to shoot.
I asked if anybody had told her that the .41 was way too violent for her to shoot well and she said, " Yeh but I didn't listen to them." Pretty good I thought. She knows when to listen and when to switch on the BS firewall.
I had an interesting one. A nurse who was followed home from her hospital job one night and decided she really did need to learn how to handle her Smith .41 Magnum. She took to it instantly- the way some of them do- translating basic instructions into action. She was laying in tight clusters at three and seven yards by the time it got too dart to shoot.
I asked if anybody had told her that the .41 was way too violent for her to shoot well and she said, " Yeh but I didn't listen to them." Pretty good I thought. She knows when to listen and when to switch on the BS firewall.
I took the class almost a year ago, before I bought my first gun. At the time I didn't plan on getting my CCW permit. Also, at the time my wife wasn't even sure if she wanted any guns in the house. Well, she has definitely come around on that. Hopefully, before too long, she will come around on the carry permit, because if all goes as planned, I'm going to turn in the application tomorrow.
Edward429451
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Well DNS, I wasn't talking to you and I'm being very civil, and I thought I'd post the 'other' view for the mans consideration. There's two views in most discussions and it's usually appreciated to hear an opposing point of view. Stirs the thought process. If you don't like my view you could always ignore it and giggle to yourself instead of jumping on a moderation soapbox...
You've added nothing remotely relevant to the thread so what's your point?
Big Cat
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In Response to
the original post. . .
If you think you may have the desire or need to carry in the future, get a CCW now. You will be one step closer to protecting yourself and your RKBA.
In response to Edward. . .
You're familiar with the phrase, "If guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns"
Getting a CCW in El Paso County is very easy to do if you are a law abiding citizen.
Just my thoughts. Other opinions welcome.
the original post. . .
If you think you may have the desire or need to carry in the future, get a CCW now. You will be one step closer to protecting yourself and your RKBA.
In response to Edward. . .
You're familiar with the phrase, "If guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns"
Unless you always open carry, IMO and by the laws of Colorado (where you live), you are no different than anyone else who carries illegally. Like it or not your intent is criminal.
Getting a CCW in El Paso County is very easy to do if you are a law abiding citizen.
Just my thoughts. Other opinions welcome.
Edward429451
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Oh but I do open carry. I prudently do not let the general populace see it though. No reason to go around alarming people unnecessarily. Why would I need a permit if the 2nd is valid? My intent is Constitutional , not criminal.
YMMV.
dav
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Actually, I agree with Edward on this point.
The "right" already belongs to us.
But me, I'm chicken... I'll apply for the CCW. Which proves we are already in a police state, because I only follow their rules because I am AFRAID of them (them being politicians and their enforcers).
David Row
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The "right" already belongs to us.
But me, I'm chicken... I'll apply for the CCW. Which proves we are already in a police state, because I only follow their rules because I am AFRAID of them (them being politicians and their enforcers).
David Row
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Hmmmm
Well, carefully avoidng the whole 'illegal vs. legal' carry question, both my wife and I have are permits, and she carry's way more than I do. I work for the federal government on a military base, and since I have those 'highly-trained' $10 an hour security guards to protect me, I don't need to carry.
I value my job to much to push my luck.
Well, carefully avoidng the whole 'illegal vs. legal' carry question, both my wife and I have are permits, and she carry's way more than I do. I work for the federal government on a military base, and since I have those 'highly-trained' $10 an hour security guards to protect me, I don't need to carry.
I value my job to much to push my luck.
Billmanweh
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The biggest reason I got my CHL is that it was my right to have it. I agree with the original poster that there's something to be said for exercising your rights so you can keep them, etc. Also, when gun issues are raised in a political context, I want the pro-gun numbers to be as strong as possible. That's the main reason I joined the NRA and have sponsored others. As a gun owner and someone who believes our rights are being quickly eroded, I just couldn't imagine not getting my chl.
But having said that, I've never carried one of my guns concealed. For me, I just don't feel it's necessary. If I were going someplace that I felt I needed a gun, I wouldn't be going there with a gun either. The chances of me needing to shoot someone in my normal day-to-day life are so miniscule that it's just not worth it.
But having said that, I've never carried one of my guns concealed. For me, I just don't feel it's necessary. If I were going someplace that I felt I needed a gun, I wouldn't be going there with a gun either. The chances of me needing to shoot someone in my normal day-to-day life are so miniscule that it's just not worth it.
Yeah, I initally got my CCW as a show of support for the program. One more name on the list of statistics.
Where I really used my CCW though was to be able to buy guns without paying the $15 for the Brady check.
I carry more now than I ever did in the past, but it still isn't all that much. I work 56 hours a week and can't carry there. Each trip to work is over an hour each way and I don't carry concealed in the car although I have a loaded gun in the console. Most of the time that I am off, I am either at home, or actually out shooting. That doesn't leave a whole lot of time for concealed carry.
Where I really used my CCW though was to be able to buy guns without paying the $15 for the Brady check.
I carry more now than I ever did in the past, but it still isn't all that much. I work 56 hours a week and can't carry there. Each trip to work is over an hour each way and I don't carry concealed in the car although I have a loaded gun in the console. Most of the time that I am off, I am either at home, or actually out shooting. That doesn't leave a whole lot of time for concealed carry.
Some people get their permits to simplify the firearms laws for themselves, especially those regarding how a weapon can be transported. Some states have horrendously confusing statutes regarding storage and transport that a CCW can greatly simplify.
Re: Rights. It is most certainly your Constitutional right to carry a gun, no permit required. And if you were prosecuted for carrying without one, you would be wrongly prosecuted. Unfortunately, we live in a constant state of oppression with respect to this right, and you will be prosecuted. Some are willing to risk that, others aren't. Either way, getting a permit adds your voice to the growing pool of responsible gun-packers, and the larger that number is, the more power we have in a democratically-represented republic like ours.
So, in one sense, the permit can be seen as accepting your shackles. In another it can be seen as a lawful, peaceful low-risk vehicle for change.
Your choice, I guess. Everyone has to make this decision for themselves.
- Gabe
Re: Rights. It is most certainly your Constitutional right to carry a gun, no permit required. And if you were prosecuted for carrying without one, you would be wrongly prosecuted. Unfortunately, we live in a constant state of oppression with respect to this right, and you will be prosecuted. Some are willing to risk that, others aren't. Either way, getting a permit adds your voice to the growing pool of responsible gun-packers, and the larger that number is, the more power we have in a democratically-represented republic like ours.
So, in one sense, the permit can be seen as accepting your shackles. In another it can be seen as a lawful, peaceful low-risk vehicle for change.
Your choice, I guess. Everyone has to make this decision for themselves.
- Gabe
WonderNine
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Permit??? Libertarians don't need permits!
I open carry 24/7. It's not my fault if clothing covers the gun most of the time....
I open carry 24/7. It's not my fault if clothing covers the gun most of the time....
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