Concealed Carry Question

[freebird]

I have had my CCL for over 4 years from Oklahoma and I just moved to Ohio. Ohio and Oklahoma reciprocate for CCL. I am in the process of transferring my drivers license to Ohio. Does anyone know if I am still ok on my CCL being from Oklahoma while having a Ohio drivers license to carring during this time at least up until I get a chance to get my Ohio CCL? Any help would be appreciated! Thanks!

 

[XD Fan]

You have probably already done this, but did you check www.packing.org?

 

[General Geoff]

It'd help if packing.org was still up.

 

[GRIZ22]

I'd say no. OK is not your residence anymore. You will prove that with your OH dl. I'd have gotten the new CCL before the dl.

Ignorance is bliss. Ask the State Police, Sheriff, or local PD. They would be the ones that would be arresting you if you're wrong.

 

[eagle45]

I would not rely on any information from the local law enforcement. No disrespect intended, but they are not all knowledgeable about the law in Ohio.

I would email the Ohio Attorney General's office. I have done this to clarify what I had been told about obtaining a replacement CCW. Two different sheriff's offices, though with good intentions, both gave many information that was incorrect.

I heard back from the Attorney General's office in just a few days.

Link:
http://www.ag.state.oh.us/le/prevention/concealcarry/index.asp

 

[freebird]

How could I have gotten my CCL in Ohio without being a Ohio Resident? Could I have done this?

 

[harmonic]

You take what you can get when you ask a question over the net, so here's my guess.

As soon as you are no longer a resident of Oklahoma, you're no longer allowed to CCW with an Oklahoma permit. And if you're caught CCWing in Ohio, and you present an OK license, the LEO's liable to say, "Well, son, this license is for Oklahoma. You don't live in Oklahoma anymore. You have the right to remain silent...."

You get the picture. Ohio LEOs are not the most tolerant I've ever seen.

Plus, depending upon what part of the state you live in, be advised that you might be required by local law to register each and every one of your handguns with the local police. I was considering moving to Toledo and discovered that fact. IIRC, it was going to be like when I moved to Michigan, where I had to physically carry all of my handguns to the courthouse and a civil servant physically registered each of my handguns.

Weird.

 

[redneckrepairs]

try handgunlaw.us for up to date ccw recip info .

 

[dairycreek]

I have seen this question posed a number of times and, in all cases, the answer was pretty much the same. As soon as you change residence your concealed carry permit must be appropriately renewed. In Oregon, my home state, this tends to mean immediately.

 

[wdlsguy]

Can an Ohio resident carry on a Florida or Utah license? If so, one of those would be pretty handy to have in your situation.

 

[Ifishsum]

the difference here I think is between a RESIDENT and NON-RESIDENT permit. If you have a resident Oklahoma CCP, but if you're no longer a resident they may not consider it valid, even though they reciprocate. I'd call your local OH issuing authority and ask them, and change your OK permit to a non-resident in the interim if that's possible.

 

[freebird]

So how would I go about getting a Florida or Utah CCL?

 

[freebird]

I found this Ohio statute so I think I will be alright:

(2) Division (A)(2) of this section does not apply to any person who, at the time of the alleged carrying or possession of a handgun, is carrying a valid license or temporary emergency license to carry a concealed handgun issued to the person under section 2923.125 or 2923.1213 of the Revised Code or a license to carry a concealed handgun that was issued by another state with which the attorney general has entered into a reciprocity agreement under section 109.69 of the Revised Code, unless the person knowingly is in a place described in division (B) of section 2923.126 of the Revised Code.

I appreciate everyone's help! Still if any of you can help me on how to obtain a Florida or Utah CCL I sure would like to know. Thanks!

 

[mljdeckard]

As Utah and Florida issue to non-residents, there are instructors in just about every state who are allowed to teach the course. (I know there are always out-of-state guys coming to Utah to get certified.) (Trying to find a list in another window.) As I understand it, Utah anf Florida have near identical reciprocity agreements. IIRC, you can carry in 36 states with a Utah permit, a few exclude non-resident permits. Utah costs a little less.

ALWAYS check with the AG of the state you are carrying in. (As has been stated above, the police are not a great source of legal advice. Ask five cops, you'll get 5 different answers.)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ohio+certified+utah++ccw+instructor

 

[eagle45]

Plus, depending upon what part of the state you live in, be advised that you might be required by local law to register each and every one of your handguns with the local police.

Actually, HB 347 was passed and went into effect in March of 2007. It should override any local laws.

From OFCC's forum's FAQs, HB347 Details at a Glance:

STATEWIDE PREEMPTION:

The most sweeping reform to firearms legislation in the State of Ohio to take place in recent history is statewide preemption. The State would assume authority of all firearms laws, creating a general law “monopoly” on every gun law except zoning restrictions that didn’t completely prevent the sale or use of firearms.

Although HB12 clearly prohibits local governments enacting gun bans and concealed carry bans this change would completely clarify the situation: No local government may pass gun laws or continue in existence any gun laws other than zoning laws. Statewide Preemption would eliminate Toledo’s gun scoring system, Dayton’s gun owner card, and Cleveland, Columbus and the City of Shaker Height’s pointless assault weapons bans.

Further, HB347 would require courts to award costs and reasonable attorney fees to any person or organization, such as Ohioans For Concealed Carry, who prevails in a challenge against an ordinance, rule, or regulation that is in conflict with the statewide preemption clause of HB347. A very recent ruling by the Ohio Supreme Court suggests that this preemption will prevail should local governments attempt to challenge it under the home rule amendment.

 

[wdlsguy]

So how would I go about getting a Florida or Utah CCL?

Here is the web site for Florida. Looks like you should plan on about 90 days for them to issue.

http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/index.html

ETA: You really want to get Florida or Utah before you move...

 

[GRIZ22]

(2) Division (A)(2) of this section does not apply to any person who, at the time of the alleged carrying or possession of a handgun, is carrying a valid license or temporary emergency license to carry a concealed handgun issued to the person under section 2923.125 or 2923.1213 of the Revised Code or a license to carry a concealed handgun that was issued by another state with which the attorney general has entered into a reciprocity agreement under section 109.69 of the Revised Code, unless the person knowingly is in a place described in division (B) of section 2923.126 of the Revised Code.


Freebird, the next thing you have to find out is if your OK CPL is valid if you no longer live there. If not, you can't by this statute.

 

[tc]

Training

Freebird:
Did you have to take any training to obtain your OK license? If you received the NRA Basic Pistol Course and can prove it occurred within the past few years, you just need to take an application and $55 to a Sheriff's office in your county or an adjoining county. You can get an app at the Ag's website or at the SHeriff's office. Where in Ohio did you relocate?

TC

 

[CNYCacher]

Stop asking the intarwebertubes and call some authority in Ohio.

PS. They recently made it a felony in Ohio to NOT tell a LEO that you are carrying if you are stopped by one. Keep that in mind because if you are carrying and you are stopped by a LEO, you HAVE TO tell them you are carrying. This will of course lead to them asking to see your permit.

PPS. Love your sig line. . . two great movies.

 

[Henry Bowman]

How could I have gotten my CCL in Ohio without being a Ohio Resident? Could I have done this?

No.

Our CCW law in Ohio is pretty new. It was passed with several poison pills and absolutely no regard for actually ensuring safety or protecting the right of self defense (not to mention RKBA) to all people. We have had one clean-up amendment (previously required open holstered carry or locked-up in a vehicle).

You fall in that twilight situation for which, frankly, our legislation is not the least bit concerned that you are disadvantaged or endangered. All I can tell you is to put the transition (required course and application) into effect as soon as possible. The sooner you begin, the sooner you will be passed it.