Concealed versus open carry
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Sam1911
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My state, er Commonwealth, PA allows OC without a permit, except in Philadelphia, where you can OC, but you have to have a License To Carry Firearms (our "CCW").
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DinosaurJones
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Thats an interesting question. I've heard people say that allowing your firearm to be exposed is a criminal offense even with a CCW permit. So based on that info there must be some states that forbid open carry entirely regardless of CCW permit.
In VA we have open carry w/o permit so that wouldn't apply.
In VA we have open carry w/o permit so that wouldn't apply.
HKUSP45C
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Texas has no legal provision for open carry unless you are LEO with or without a license. It's just one of many very silly weapons laws we have.
General Geoff
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^^Only in reference to pistols. Far as I know, open carry of a long gun is perfectly legit in Texas.
I think it is plumb silly to allow concealed carry and not open. Kentucky has always allowed open carry even before concealed carry. It seems like there are less people that open carry probably because they are now allowed to carry concealed but I never understood the states that allow concealed and not open carry. What is the purpose of this?
VA has concealed carry permits and open carry is allowed without a permit. Due to stupid gun laws passed by mindless politicians you can actually carry a handgun openly into a restaurant that serves alcohol but you cannot carry the same gun concealed into that restaurant. Of course open carry sometimes provokes a hissy fit or mild panic among some here in VA and some cops don't even know the laws regarding open carry.
Overall I am not a strong believer in carrying openly. I support the law allowing it but not the practice. I think that open carry has it's place in some situations but most of us carry concealed for defensive purposes. If you are carrying concealed then it's likely that should you be mugged, robbed, etc the criminal will not know that you are armed and you may have a chance to defend yourself or others. Imagine if some guy in the corner at VA Tech were carrying concealed last year. He could have drawn and possibly stopped Cho. Now imagine if he routinely carried in the open. He most likely would have been the first target. Open carry makes you the first target and it's likely that a criminal would just take you out without the usual, "Gimme your money," warnings associated with a robbery. As I said, open carry has it's place in some situations but I believe that if it's allowed, concealed carry is usually a better practice.
bababooey32
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I assume you have some data (or even one anecdote) to back up this claim?
smince
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I just wouldn't want to be the first
THe Dove
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Here in Oklahoma it is my understanding that you cannot open carry under any circumstances as it is stricly prohibited unless you are a LEO. However, you can conceal carry with a license, but you better not print or expose the weapon.
The Dove
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The reason I posted this is that Georgia's law makes little sense to me. Since OC is not lawful (unless you have a CC permit), wouldn't an LEO be inclined to stop anyone showing a handgun? Although I must admit that on those few occasions where I forgot my jacket and was carrying on my hip, nobody LEO or otherwise, said a thing. I guess if I paraded around the front of the police station, one or two might get nervous and ask.
memphisjim
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im in tennessee you can open or conceal hand gun with permit
but cant have loaded shot gun or rifle
even in trunk loaded rifle = bad
but cant have loaded shot gun or rifle
even in trunk loaded rifle = bad
NavyLCDR
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Why is there always someone, ahem... Patroitme....., who has to always drag these conversations off topic and post their personal opinions against open carry? 
If you want to discuss your personal opinions, please start your own dang topic and leave it out of these that have nothing to do with what you think about open carry. It's like having the Brady bunch around.
To add more to the OP's actual question:
First, Georgia does not have a concealed carry permit. Georgia has a Georgia Firearms License (GFL) and is a license to carry concealed or openly.
Another interesting case is Oregon. State preemption only applies to persons with licenses recognized in Oregon. In Oregon, there is no state law prohibiting open carry, regardless of license status, so generally open carry is legal in Oregon. But, a municipality can locally prohibit open carry - except the prohibition cannot, by state law, apply to licensed persons. So, essentially, a municipality in Oregon can pass an ordinance just like Georgia's situation - open carry only by permit holders.
If you want to discuss your personal opinions, please start your own dang topic and leave it out of these that have nothing to do with what you think about open carry. It's like having the Brady bunch around.To add more to the OP's actual question:
First, Georgia does not have a concealed carry permit. Georgia has a Georgia Firearms License (GFL) and is a license to carry concealed or openly.
Another interesting case is Oregon. State preemption only applies to persons with licenses recognized in Oregon. In Oregon, there is no state law prohibiting open carry, regardless of license status, so generally open carry is legal in Oregon. But, a municipality can locally prohibit open carry - except the prohibition cannot, by state law, apply to licensed persons. So, essentially, a municipality in Oregon can pass an ordinance just like Georgia's situation - open carry only by permit holders.
jahwarrior
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Patriotme said:
the day that someone can actually back up these kind of claims with hard evidence, and not their own conjecture, will be the day i donate to the Brady Campaign.
how about next time, you answer the OP, instead of making yourself look foolish?
the day that someone can actually back up these kind of claims with hard evidence, and not their own conjecture, will be the day i donate to the Brady Campaign.
how about next time, you answer the OP, instead of making yourself look foolish?
Just how can a state that does not allow open carry not forbid open carry, CC permit not withstanding???
My state (MO) allows concealed carry in most places if the citizen has a concealed carry permit. Open carry is forbidden by state law without a CC permit except during the lawful taking of game, but counties and municipalities can forbid open carry, and the more populous counties do so.
Gryffydd
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Did you ever think that maybe not everyone one else reading this thread was aware of that? Way to respond to somebody who's actually contributing to your thread with an on topic post.wishin said:
LOL, I was thinking the same thing.
Quoheleth
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Or...
The bad guy walks into the reataurant/school*/bank/store where he intended to do harm, chaos, and bloodshed. As he looks around the room, he realizes two others are looking at him...both with guns strapped to their waist and in plain sight. Realizing the deck is stacked against him, he goes next door where a stupid "No guns allowed" sign helps assuade his concerns. He unzips his bag...
*I know...schools are verboten. But since I was writing fiction, I thought "What the heck?" and went for it.
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NavyLCDR
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Actually, here is the answer to your question:
http://www.opencarry.org/opencarry.html
Green states are states that allow only persons holding valid licenses to open carry.
Be aware, this map is talking about full blown, loaded open carry. Utah, for instance, allows unlicensed persons to open carry unloaded firearms (as does California!)
http://www.opencarry.org/opencarry.html
Green states are states that allow only persons holding valid licenses to open carry.
Be aware, this map is talking about full blown, loaded open carry. Utah, for instance, allows unlicensed persons to open carry unloaded firearms (as does California!)
Did you ever think that we're dealing with semantics here? GFL is what Georgia calls a CC. Not all states use the same terminology. This is not a thread on the fine points of the law as interpreted by an insurance company denying your claim.
Gryffydd
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I was actually well aware of that!
No. GFL is what Georgia calls a GFL.
Take WA's CPL (Concealed Pistol License) for example. It has NO bearing on open carry whatsoever...because it's a Concealed Pistol License. The GFL does have bearing on open carry because it is NOT a Concealed Pistol License. Some states have a "Concealed Weapons Permit" which allows concealed carrying of non-firearm weapons that would otherwise be prohibited. They don't call those licenses "Concealed Pistol Licenses" OR "[state] Firearm Licenses"
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