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maybe i should avoid the bushmaster website, to many "no no" going on in their photos and videos.
Where you shop is up to you...I've heard folks have good luck at many places I wouldn't even look at.

everything points to the ar family as being decent shooters, but is that only if i spend 1200 on one?
For about half that price, you can get a S&W M&P15 Sport which comes with a free float handguard and is a very nice shooter. (edit) - the M15 doesn't have a FF handguard; my error

I usually recommend against folks using a bipod at all, because most folks don't even know that there is an actual technique to it's correct usage. Shoot off sandbags or a rest, just don't rest your barrel on them...that is what the free floated handguard is for
 
maybe i should avoid the bushmaster website, to many "no no" going on in their photos and videos.

everything points to the ar family as being decent shooters, but is that only if i spend 1200 on one?
Colts are a little over $900 at Walmart. Doesn't get anymore decent than that for a basic AR.
 
In addition to preventing POI shifts, free-floating is a prerequisite to getting a gun more accurate than "minute of bad guy" only in combination with other components. Probably not needed in most service applications.

However, some of us feel like Col. Townsend Whelen when he said "Only accurate rifles are interesting".

I have not shot my mini-14 in over 15 years . . .

Mike
 
9mmepiphany: I would be mightily surprised if the S&W Sport now comes with a free-floated hand guard. Mine sure didn't. Perhaps something has changed in the last couple of years though.
 
maybe i should avoid the bushmaster website, to many "no no" going on in their photos and videos.

everything points to the ar family as being decent shooters, but is that only if i spend 1200 on one?

Best thing to do is go find out for yourself. Go shoot the rifle and see what happens.

You can ge a Colt for much less than that. You can also get a good shooting AR for less than a Colt, but you've got to educate yourself so you will know what to look for. At this point, it's simpler to suggest getting a Colt
 
everything points to the ar family as being decent shooters, but is that only if i spend 1200 on one?

No.

$897 (including shipping, including scope), shoots 1.2 MOA with 55 gr ball, 0.6 MOA with 50 gr Z-max handloads:

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$816 including shipping, including TRS-25. Shoots 1.6 MOA with ball, 1.1 MOA with handloads:

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$639 all-in, shoots 1.7 MOA with ball, 1.3 MOA with hand loads:

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And I only count 5 shot groups; 3 is for zeroing optics.

BTW, the barrels are the same on the last two; the better accuracy of the former certainly could be attributed to the FF hand guard. And no, the accuracy results were not with the red dot sights; I used a Redfield 3-9x scope for that testing.
 
9mmepiphany: I would be mightily surprised if the S&W Sport now comes with a free-floated hand guard. Mine sure didn't. Perhaps something has changed in the last couple of years though.
You're correct, my mistake...I've been looking at the M15-22 for some Rimfire 2-gun and got them mixed up
 
well the thing on the accuracy, no two sources will agree on a general level of accuracy. SOME will come out and say "grab a ar15, throw a cheap scope on it, and you have an accurate shtf sniper rifle"

others will be like ' yeah its accurate, i hit empty beer cans at 100 yards every shot with scope or iron"

others merely qoute mil spec "4 moa" or simply "the worst youll get in a military barrel is bullets will stay inside a 4 cm circle"
 
You make a good point - accuracy is relative to the gun and what it was designed to do.

A prairie dog rifle requires less than 1MOA accuracy out to buy500m, and it would be even better .5MOA.

A combat rifle only needs 2MOA accuracy and 6MOA is considered the threshold for a necessary replacement.

Minute of prairie dog and minute of man are about the extremes of accuracy. That is why the smarter buyer will ignore Brand of a rifle and focus on features. If you need a more accurate rifle then you specify the needed features to get to that goal.

The barrel is most important, then the ammunition. Barrel length may not be important - depends on the cartridge or application. Velocity can even be counterproductive. You can push a bullet too fast and create more group dispersion. Most handloaders discover that downloading the recipe slightly from maximum pressure almost always results in higher accuracy.

When shooters focus on cartridge or bullet size, barrel length, and accuracy, what they are more likely doing is emphasizing the social aspects - I got one and you don't, therefore, I am better than you. Forums are full of that immaturity and it will never go away because young men jockeying for social respects all too often key on things that their less well informed group members find impressive. So, they adopt them to maintain their rank - not because the item itself is all that.

No question the .50BMG is top of the heap in a one man crewed weapon, what's popular right now? .300Blackout, which has been around since the 1980's as a wildcat to get AR15's into 3Gun in the days when real men didn't use jammomatic poodleshooters. Well, we sure got over that, and we will get over the next cartridge of the month club craze, or long barrel fad for a short barrel cartridge, or whatever.

It doesn't change the real basics of ballistics and the adults will use them appropriately, regardless of the latest fad.
 
The weapon was not designed nor the round designed to be a tack driver.
And yet it is known to be capable of exceptional accuracy rivaling all but the very best bolt-actions with good ammo and a few very minor tweaks ... like a free-floated barrel.

If you don't WANT it to be that accurate, you needn't bother.

What are you trying to get your rifle to do?

Three rounds fired if you can place a dime in the center and touch each strike your there with standard ammo and most out of the box weapons
You're "there?" Where's "there?"

If you're saying that's a 100 yard group, ok. 0.705" + one diameter of 5.56 mm bullet and you're at a little over 0.9", or about 0.88 MOA, center-to-center. If you'd consider that standard for factory rifles, I'd say you're extremely optimistic. If you're saying that's common for military rifles, you're grossly optimistic.

If you're saying that would be a good group for a 5.56mm AR with a free-floated barrel and good ammo? Yeah, that's not bad at all.

Put much pressure against a non-floated handguard or barrel and don't expect to shoot like that.
 
I don't think I have ever shot an AR that would not do 2 MOA with good ammo, floated or not, provided I was resting the forearm on my hand and not slung up.
 
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