Confederate Bowie?

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Hello all!

I am about to buy a percussion single shot muzzleloading pistol, a Civil War military type.

I'll be needing a large fighting knife that is period correct to go with the gun. I'd like to know if anyone out there makes a good replica of the Confederate Bowie knives like these:

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I want something of good quality, that can be useful in the field for light camp tasks, and of course hand to hand combat if that becomes necessary. I'd like to not spend over $300, but understand that good knives cost a lot so would be willing to spend up to $400 if needed.

What do you guys know about these big Rebel knives? I'd sure love one to go alongside my Harpers Ferry percussion conversion .54 caliber pistol.

Thanks so much all! :D
 
If you want a usable camp knife version there are some out there that I've seen in the past (Dixie Gun Works comes to mind), but you're within striking range of a custom maker at $400. One of my pals is a bona fide published bowie authority and has a collection that has been on display in TX. I'll email my pal and just ask if he knows of a camp knife capable copy being produced or and I'll ask Kim Breed (he used to show up here) about having him forge one. I'll let you know what they say.

For background that you may already know - In one of my buddy's seminars he explained that big knives like the Confederate Bowies were commonly cast into ditches as the soldiers lightened their loads on long road marches. They found them too large for most daily uses and they were subject to the same issues as modern soldier (ounces become pounds and pounds equal pain). Since they were rush jobs they often were kinda rough, but there were the occasional nicely finished ones.

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During that war, crude Bowie knives were popular among Confederate soldiers. Some had large, wide blades, like those of artillery shortswords; most were unmarked. The Confederates considered the knife an essential accoutrement in the early months of the war, but as the conflict wore on the knife was replaced with the bayonet. The knives had hickory or hardwood handles and iron mounts, and were worn in heavy leather sheaths with throats and tips of tin, iron, or brass. Blades had scratch engravings and crude acid etchings, with such patriotic motifs as "Sunny South," "Confederate States Defender," or "Death to Yankees." A few Confederate Bowie knives were made by experienced cutlers and exhibited excellent workmanship.
 
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Thanks you so much!! Much appreciated. I would love to have one of these knives, but do wish to have a quality one able to do some real field work.
 
As one who does re-enactments and living history events I'd say that those are some fine and authentic looking knives there at Plowshare forge. His prices are pretty darned reasonable too.
 
MartinS

Definitely like the look (and the prices), of that D guard Confederate Bowie and the two file Bowie knives from Plowshare Forge. Thanks for the link.
 
MartinS

Definitely like the look (and the prices), of that D guard Confederate Bowie and the two file Bowie knives from Plowshare Forge. Thanks for the link.
I like them too!

I emailed the owner and asked about them. Will post what he says.
 
As has already been said, most of the soldiers carried them briefly at the beginning of the war, and quickly discarded them - - at least the infantry, who spent most of their time marching, did. Maybe the cavalry or artillery were more likely to keep them, not having to rely on Shank's Mare, as the saying went. If you really want to be authentically accoutered, you should acquire a single-blade jackknife, which is what most of the soldiers would have in their haversacks for whatever cutting they needed to do. A Sheffield-made knife similar to this one by Arthur Wright would be perfect:

http://www.steelcitycutlery.com/cutlery/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=652_673&products_id=24871
 
Okay guys, I've been talking with Dan Brock over at Plowshare Forge. He makes his big knives from 5160 spring steel, supposed to be good for actual field use.

I am thinking a 14" D-guard bowie. Like this:

https://www.google.com/search?q=con..._AUoAWoVChMItNHfg7zRyAIVS5UNCh1B_gHS#mhpiv=12

What do you guys think of that? I'm thinking 14" should be plenty long for camp abd property tasks, but not too long to get in the way while walking in the woods and creek.
 
Awesome!!! :D!

This will make a FINE companion to my new percussion pistol when I get it!!

I will be sure to post here when we finalize the design, and when I get the completed knife look forward to a review of it!!! :D
 
The more I work with 5160 the more I like it. Takes a hell of an edge and holds it well.
14 inches (assuming you mean blade length) is a serious knife. I have one I take camping and trail riding with an 11 inch blade and it out cuts most hatchets unless you're dealing with really hard and dry wood. It would take a very well thought out sheath to carry it around in the woods though without it being a hindrance.
You might want to cut a 1x2 or a grade stake or something to the length you think you want and see where it will hang from your belt and how you could carry it. a 14 inch blade with a d guard handle is going to put you pretty close to 20 inches OAL. I think that would be more of an annoyance than a help for most hunting/camping chores.
 
5160 is my favorite steel.

The Camp Defender is a big knife, and it's under a 10" blade.

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Thanks, all.

From what I understand, most Confederate Bowies had very long blades, like 14-17" long. I am wanting one of that style. I'll be using it to trim bushes when I'm out shooting or clearing a path while romping through the forest in search of mushrooms or squirrels, among other tasks... including possible defense if need be. You never know.

I am having Dan Brock make me one that looks like this:

http://civilwartalk.com/attachments/thcan823t2-jpg.5216/

More of a bit more slender, long blade without much of a clip point. I just love the way these look, and it will go very nicely with my '51 Navy Colt or my Harpers Ferry percussion conversion pistol.

So do you guys think that will work? If you think it's going to be too long, what would you recommend? I still want to keep that blade profile though.
 
People today have no idea just how taxing were the marches made at the time of the Civil War. American’s of the last couple of generations just sit on their butts and ride everywhere, so weight is not an issue. But, back then, you walked, and you carried your stuff. Even though Infantry always attempted to lighten their loads, they still ended up carrying 60 to 80 pounds of equipment. And, something I did not realize, lots of soldiers died from exhaustion during a march. I had run across the term “lost” and “dropped out” before in Civil War biographies, but I did not realize that these were euphemisms for died. These Armies marched and soldiers died from the marching.


Private Wilbur Fisk, Second Vermont Regiment, Union Army of the Potomac


Camp near Fairfax Station, 17 June 1863 page 105

We were on the road all that night, but we made but little progress. Teams of troops continually clogged the way, occasioning the most vexatious delays. I don’t know as I could explain it, but it is a fact, nevertheless, that it tires a soldier more to have to stand still half of the time than it does to march straight along without interruption. I had rather march fifteen miles in reasonable time than spend the same time marching five, unless we can sit down and rest. Morning came, but with it no rest. We halted a few minutes, just long enough for a good may to get soundly to sleep, and it did not take long to do that, for we had lost two night’s rest, but their sleep was very brief. The unfeeling order was passed down the lines, and every sleeper had to “take up his bed and walk.” Those who had preferred sleep to breakfast lost the latter for a very pitiful allowance of the former. All day long we tugged our weary knapsacks in the broiling sun, and many fell out to fall in no mare. It was very hot and very dusty. The dry dirt seemed to be particularly adapted to draw the rays of the sun, and the blistering heat that the road reflected, seemed like the breath from a furnace, seven times heated. The road was lined with stragglers, and many fell dead in their tracks. Our corps alone lost forty-six men from sunstroke. Some say that other corps lost upwards of a hundred each. I have no means of knowing how many died from the effect of heat and exhaustion, but I know that dead men lay along beside the road in sufficient numbers to prove that our marching strength was being pretty well tested. About five o’clock we reached Dumfries and halted for the night. In some of the regiments less than one-third of the men were in at the time of stopping. A Bible full of general orders couldn’t have prevented straggling that day. At half past two o’clock the next morning we were ordered to pack up again, and as soon as it was fairly light, we were once more on our way. It was a little cooler and we marched and rested more systematically than the day before, so that but few were left behind. At nine P.M. we reached this place, having made, according to the statement of a citizen, twenty-five miles since morning.


Infantry tended to lighten the load. They got rid of everything they could to lighten the load. They had to carry their rifle and cartridge box, but many dumped their bayonets, backpacks, canteens, coats, and even blankets, during a march. If a soldier could not carry it in their pockets, (or haversack), it was often dumped by the road side. Something like those huge bowie knives would have ended in the ditch during the first 20 mile march. The owners would have been harassed by veteran troops, who had already dumped theirs, and somewhere into the first 10 miles of the march, the novice soldier would have quickly emptied his knapsack of a whole bunch of “nice to haves”.

So, you want a big weapon, fine, big weapons are fun. Where they authentic to the period: yes. Did anyone use one in combat: possibly, but it is more likely the knife was tossed in the ditch before the first battle.
 
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May I suggest- as a former light infantryman and longtime knife user, as well as a student of history- that we are most familiar with the really big Confederate knives because those were the ones discarded.

With that in mind, something like a Natchez Bowie might be a better choice. Then all you'd have to do would be to get a nice leather sheath made.
 
Well I already paid for 50% of the knife so... LOL! :D

Really though, this is what I am wanting. I am not going to be marching 30 miles each day with it like those poor boys had to do.

I won't be throwing mine in any ditches. :cool:
 
If you get a shape that's less overtly stabby, you'll actually be able to do things with it.

Besides, you know, stab.
 
He makes his big knives from 5160

Excellent choice.

14" D-guard bowie

I don't like "traditional" D guards and not all Confederate Bowies had them. They get in the sway for any real camp work. 14" is a big knife, but it can be made to work if done like Bill Bagwell does. It would be easier to get a 9-12" knife to work for you in camp/woods than the short sword 14".

Heck, just get the sheath made 14" long if you want to impress the rest of the Rebs!:evil:
 
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Yes, it will cut sticks.

But, a double edge blade like that won't cut nearly as good as a single edge for chopping wood.

They were fighting / killing / sticking knives.
Nothing more.

Pretty much useless for anything else.
Like using hand pressure on the spine for draw cuts, shaving wood splinters for starting a fire, etc.

A 14" double edge is a fighting short sword, not good for anything else.

rc
 
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