Congress Urged to Move Carefully on DC Gun Ban (by plaintiff attorney)

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Attempts by "well-meaning members of Congress" to repeal the 1976 Washington, D.C., gun ban could backfire by keeping the case out of the U.S. Supreme Court, said attorneys representing six D.C. residents in a high-profile Second Amendment case.

"We appreciate that the Second Amendment's many friends in Congress want to express themselves on the D.C. gun ban, and there are ways in which Congress can have a tremendously positive impact," said Alan Gura, lead counsel in Parker v. District of Columbia, which challenged the 1976 D.C. gun ban.

But "Congress has to act very carefully," Gura told Cybercast News Service after a panel discussion of the case.

"A congressional repeal of the D.C. gun ban right now could erase the recent court victory," he said, referring to the March 9 ruling by U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia that said the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms.

"All of our hard work would be wasted," Gura warned.

"We have to work with the members of Congress to make sure that if they want to express themselves legislatively on the D.C. gun ban, they can do so in a way that preserves the issue for litigation, Gura said.

Second Amendment supporters have waited many years for the right case to bring before the U.S. Supreme Court. Their goal is for the highest court in the land to interpret the Second Amendment in a way that reinforces the constitutional right of individuals to own guns.

Gura said Congress can "implement the Parker decision without killing it" by allowing interstate handgun sales and forcing the District to accept normal instant background checks.

Robert Levy, co-counsel for the plaintiffs in the case, noted that Parker v. District of Columbia "considered the question that has divided Second Amendment scholars for decades: Does the right to keep and bear arms belong to us as individuals or does the Constitution merely recognize the collective right of the states to arm their militias?"

Levy, who is also senior fellow in constitutional studies at the libertarian Cato Institute, stated that the "D.C. government has been totally ineffective at disarming violent criminals, but at the same time, the government has done a superb job of disarming decent and peaceful residents."

Noting that he and Gura represent "six plaintiffs who live in the District, pay their taxes in the District and obey the laws in the District," Levy stated that "D.C. says if somebody breaks into their house, their only way to obtain remedy is to call 911 and hope that the police arrive on time."

"That's not a good enough remedy," he added. "The right to keep and bear arms includes, of course, the right to defend your property and your family, and most of all, your life.

"There have been more than three dozen challenges to the D.C. ban," Levy said, but "mostly, they've been filed by criminals who are serving longer sentences for gun possession."

Gura agreed that "the history of Second Amendment litigation brought by criminals is very poor compared to what we have achieved. The question is not whether the Supreme Court will decide the issue, but whether it will do so with our case -- or the next common criminal who's presenting the Second Amendment in an unfavorable light."

"It's sad, I think, for us to have a basic, fundamental right defined within the lens and context of a criminal proceeding," Gura added.

'The Constitution is on our side'

As Cybercast News Service previously reported, a three-judge panel of the Court of Appeals reversed a lower court's decision on Friday, March 9. Senior Judge Laurence Silberman and Judge Thomas Griffith stated in their opinion: "The Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms."

"We could not have asked for a more unequivocal and explicit statement," Levy declared. "The Constitution is on our side."

Looking to the future, Gura said he expects the District of Columbia to ask for review of the case by the full D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals. "We're not super concerned about this being overturned by the full court, and of course, we're fairly confident and hopeful that the Supreme Court can read the Constitution as well," he noted.

Levy added that those involved in the case "want the problem to be solved nationwide," another reason they are against Congress repealing the gun ban in the nation's capital. "That would do nothing outside of Washington, D.C.," he said.

Gura noted that he and Levy "have been spending a lot of time on the Hill meeting with people" about the need for careful action by Congress, "and we think the message is getting through."

Gura said that he and Levy met on Thursday with leaders from the National Rifle Association, "which had been pushing this legislation" to eliminate the D.C. gun ban, but "we believe that they've seen the light. They've given us their assurances that they are not interested in ruining the case."

"And [NRA President] Wayne LaPierre told us we can take that to the bank," Gura said.

However, "the anti-gun people are a different story," he stated. "We have gotten word that at least one group is now trying to push for a legislative appeal because, frankly, they don't want this in the Supreme Court, and the reason they don't want this in the Supreme Court is because they're going to lose."

But the optimism expressed by Gura and Levy on Thursday apparently didn't extend to Capitol Hill, where Democrats sidelined a bill that would have granted the District of Columbia voting rights in the House of Representatives because it contained a measure repealing the D.C. gun ban.

Instead of moving ahead, Democrats indefinitely postponed a vote on the entire package. Supporters of D.C. voting rights accused Republicans of injecting a poison pill (the D.C. gun ban) into the legislation.

Levy had some advice for Americans who believe that an outright gun ban is necessary for public safety. "The way to go about that is to change the Constitution. We cannot simply ignore the Constitutional provision and act as though the document does not exist.

"As a nation, we have chosen to have a written Constitution, and it has served us well for more than two centuries," he added.
 
I called the NRA Institute for Legislative Affairs last week and asked them to butt out of the case. The person I talked to didn't even know the name of the plaintiff's attorney, Alan Gura.

You can see hear the documents that the NRA filed, in a blatant attempt to torpedo the case: http://www.gurapossessky.com/parker.htm
 
However, "the anti-gun people are a different story," he stated. "We have gotten word that at least one group is now trying to push for a legislative appeal because, frankly, they don't want this in the Supreme Court, and the reason they don't want this in the Supreme Court is because they're going to lose."
I wonder if this could explain marion barry's out-of-character call for DC to stand down from their gun ban for 90 days? The vanguard of the anti-RKBA crowd?

The NRA has never been especially active or helpful on fighting DC's gun ban. Wonder why? These guys from CATO are specifically rejecting NRA "help."

TC
 
Because the NRA would act against the plaintiff. Last thing the NRA wants to see is a clear cut victory in the U.S. Supreme Court; it would be against their interests. NRA has a vested interest in us losing on gun control.

I have begged LaPierre and pointed out to their legal counsel that if we win in the Supreme Court there will still be many, many fights left ahead of us, both to mop up gun control and to expand our RKBA to making it mandatory. They all response that they would be out of jobs and money, I told them no, a Supreme Court victory would create a groundswell of momentum on our side and give them even more money. Nothing but crickets, ahhh, the crickets.:uhoh:
 
Because the NRA would act against the plaintiff. Last thing the NRA wants to see is a clear cut victory in the U.S. Supreme Court; it would be against their interests. NRA has a vested interest in us losing on gun control.

No offense to you personally, but I think that statement bordering on hysterical lunacy. That sounds like something Paul Helmke would say just to help fool himself into believing his BS self-righteous views. I'm not saying your dislike of the NRA isn't ok, that is your perogative, but at least be rational when you decide to attack the NRA.

They all response that they would be out of jobs and money, I told them no,

I'm not calling you a liar, but I want to know who said this to you from the NRA. Was it Wayne himself? Did you record that conversation?

Honestly, what vested interests does the NRA have in losing on gun control? The NRA was around before gun control and will be after it is gone, they have a lot of other "interests" like marksmanship programs, Eddie Eagle, etc. The anti-NRA tirades and quips never cease to amaze me. Lots of emotion and gusto but no real calm concrete thought on the subject.
 
Gura said that he and Levy met on Thursday with leaders from the National Rifle Association, "which had been pushing this legislation" to eliminate the D.C. gun ban, but "we believe that they've seen the light. They've given us their assurances that they are not interested in ruining the case."

"And [NRA President] Wayne LaPierre told us we can take that to the bank," Gura said.

Well at least the NRA is finally talking to somebody about the issue. I'm glad they've decided to hold off on the legislation.

You can see hear the documents that the NRA filed, in a blatant attempt to torpedo the case: http://www.gurapossessky.com/parker.htm

To be fair, those documents are from 2003 and it isn't unusual for RKBA groups to have different ideas about the best way to skin a cat. Obviously the NRA is/was scared of Parker. My understanding from what Levy and Gura have said publicly is that the NRA is concerned there isn't enough support among the lower and circuit courts and would like more precedent at that level. I can certainly see their point; but personally I think it is riskier trying to push forward marginal cases like Emerson that can establish precedent at the circuit level; but get denied cert.

I'd much rather have a case like Parker where one of the plaintiffs is an armed officer at a federal courthouse and can't even keep a handgun at home then a case like Emerson where the plaintiff threatened his wife and daughter with a handgun. I also think Mr. Gura is right that if we don't do this now with good plaintiffs, we are very likely to get facts that are much less favorable to our case.
 
I just sent a letter to Chris Cox, president of the NRA, telling him to not touch DC's gun law until this case is finished.

El Tejon, you have a good point. I thought of that also. Right now they are making > $100mil / year by fighting gun control. If they win the fight, that's a lot of money that stops flowing. They have an interest in keeping the fight going, not in winning.
 
Deavis,

1. No dislike of the NRA of itself. I am a Life member having been a member since the early '80s. In the interest of full disclosure I need to admit to having my disagreements with the NRA. They nixed my stock buying of the media plan in the early '90s (I was told they wanted to focus on establishing their own media), they shot my March on D.C. proposal down and they shot my NAACP strategy down in flames after the VCCA of '94 passed.

2. Yes, it was LaPierre, in the flesh in Chicago, Illinois at a bookstore on LaSalle Street (IIRC Crown Books). It is not hysteria, it is what he told me.

If you do not believe me, then ask yourself why it was the Cato Institute taking point on Parker.

BR, yes, the NRA is terrified of Parker as well as organizing any NAACPesque attempt to judicially abolish gun control. The powers that be at NRAHQ believe it would throw them off the gravy train.
 
The NRA has many smaller organizations, only two of which would be "adversely" affected in minor ways.

NRA- sponsors sporting events and is a tax exempt NON POLITICAL organiztaion. I like to think of this as the cultural branch of the gun rights movement. These guys keep the movement packed with fresh members and keep the old ones participating in gun ownership.
NRA-ILA- lobbies legislatures to oppose gun control and support gun rights legislation like stand your ground, castle doctrine and civil immunity for self defense shootings.
NRA-Defense Fund- funds legal work that is important to the movement. A lot of boring legal stuff about creating favorable precedents and overturning unfavorable ones. All sorts of procedural and substantive issues here relating to firearms ownership, self defense, etc.

Even if Parker is upheld and many laws are successfully overturned, it will take 30-40 years to really change things for good on the local and state level. Remember that Brown v Board of Education was in 54 but it wasnt for decades that people gave up efforts at de facto segregation and racial discrimination. Martin Luther King was still trying to overcome nearly 15 years later. This time the south is on the right side but we will have just as big a struggle for gun rights in places like NJ and MA as the civil rights workers had in places like AL and MS.

Yeah, the big risk is that 50 years down the line we have completely won and the NRA will end up like the NAACP- a completely irrelevant political organization... but unlike the NAACP, the NRA has historically had a mainly non-political purpose- to promote marksmanship and the shooting sports. There will still be a heavy need for the NRA's main function long after there are no more people pushing for gun control. And gun owners will still have access to the internet if that ever changes.
 
The time for hiding from the courts on the 2A is over (I hope). Good or bad.........If its not a Right....its time for serious change.....If it is a Right....its time for serious change....

God Bless these citizens in the Parker case.....ok..yes...even the legal team.
 
The powers that be at NRAHQ believe it would throw them off the gravy train.

Well if that is true, they are probably too shortsighted to be leading a litigation effort to get an individual rights ruling anyway. There would be a ton of litigation that would be necessary to define the bounds (or push them where need be) and it would be an ongoing for effort for decades.

Even after that, you would still need lobbying and other efforts... Parker is an excellent example since it gives a laundry list of laws of questionable effectiveness that that court thought would survive a strict scrutiny test.

Yeah, the big risk is that 50 years down the line we have completely won and the NRA will end up like the NAACP- a completely irrelevant political organization...

The NAACP has almost 400,000 members today - and this is 53 years after Brown and after the directors near bankrupted it from corruption in the early 1990s.

NARAL is another great example...when was Roe v. Wade decided? In the 1970s? NARAL was grew continuously AFTER that decision. In 1990 (pre-Casey), they were trumpeting their unprecedented growth to 400,000 members (a new record for them at that time). Now with abortion reaffirmed as a fundamental right again in Casey, their membership is 900,000 as of 2006.

If the NRA leadership really thinks there will be no pushback or counter-litigation after an individual rights decision and their role will disappear, then they aren't competent to lead the fight.
 
This is proof neither side cares about the 2nd A. Why do they want to repeal the DC ban now?!?!? They had 12 f'ing years in power! Now that it may go to the SCOTUS they all the sudden think they should do something!?!?! No, they are just scared that the SCOTUS might actually agree and then gun rights might actually become real rights.

No politician believes anything. They are ALL in it for the power. Every single one deserves to be strung up.
 
They all response that they would be out of jobs and money, I told them no, a Supreme Court victory would create a groundswell of momentum on our side and give them even more money.


Please publish where Wayne LaPierre and NRAs general counsel told you he would be out of a job and money.


If they all responded to you that way, surely you can prove it right?
 
These guys from CATO are specifically rejecting NRA "help."

The reason can be found here, It a long article but I would suggest all read it, it points out the Constitutional zeal of this man (God Bless him) rather than being a pro-gun. People who spend money and effort to protect individual freedoms without necessarily participating or enjoying those freedoms on a daily basis deserve a lot of credit.

Lawyer Who Wiped Out D.C. Ban Says It's About Liberties, Not Guns

By Paul Duggan
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, March 18, 2007; A01

Meet the lawyer who conceived the lawsuit that gutted the District's tough gun-control statute this month. Meet the lawyer who recruited a group of strangers to sue the city and bankrolled their successful litigation out of his own pocket.

Meet Robert A. Levy, staunch defender of the Second Amendment, a wealthy former entrepreneur who said he has never owned a firearm and probably never will.

"I don't actually want a gun," Levy said by phone last week from his residence, a $1.7 million condominium in a Gulf Coast high-rise. "I mean, maybe I'd want a gun if I was living on Capitol Hill. Or in Anacostia somewhere. But I live in Naples, Florida, in a gated community. I don't feel real threatened down here."

He is 65, a District native who left the city 40 years ago for Montgomery County, a self-made millionaire who thinks the government interferes too much with people's liberties. He was an investment analyst before he sold his company for a fortune and enrolled in law school at age 49. Now he's a constitutional fellow with the libertarian Cato Institute in Washington, working in his luxury condo 1,000 miles away.

It was his idea, his project, his philosophical mission to mount a legal challenge to the city's "draconian" gun restrictions, which are among the toughest in the nation. The statute offends his libertarian principles, Levy said. And it is entirely his money behind the lawsuit that led a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit to strike down the statute this month, a ruling that stunned D.C. officials and gun-control advocates. The city said it will appeal the decision.

Levy, who moved to Florida two years ago, explained in an interview why he initiated the case, with Cato's blessing; why he has rejected offers of financial help, insisting on footing the bills himself; how he and a co-counsel searched for and vetted potential plaintiffs, finally settling on a diverse group of six people; and why he thinks letting D.C. residents keep loaded guns in their homes would not make the city a more dangerous place.

"By the way, I'm not a member of any of those pro-gun groups," he said. "I don't travel in those circles. My interest is in vindicating the Constitution."

Before they filed the lawsuit in February 2003, arguing that the city's gun statute violates the Second Amendment's language on the right to bear arms, Levy and Clark M. Neily III, a public-interest lawyer, spent months carefully assembling a cast of plaintiffs, Levy said.

"We wanted gender diversity," he said. "We wanted racial diversity, economic diversity, age diversity." The plaintiffs had to be D.C. residents who believed fervently in gun rights and wanted loaded weapons in their homes for self-defense. And they had to be respectable.

"No Looney Tunes," Levy said. "You know, you don't want the guy who just signed up for the militia. And no criminal records. You want law-abiding citizens."

He and Neily worked the phones. "We called all our contacts in the legal community," Levy said. "We looked at the newspapers: Who was writing on the subject? Who was sending letters to the editor about gun laws?" They scoured the city. "Friends lead you to other friends, and you just keep talking and talking to people, until finally you have your clients."

They found dozens of likely plaintiffs, Levy said. They went with three men and three women, from their mid-20s to early 60s, four of them white and two black. They found a mortgage broker from Georgetown and a neighborhood activist in a crime-scarred area of Northeast Washington. They also lined up a communications lawyer, a government office worker and a courthouse security guard. In their disparate walks of life, the six shared an eagerness to arm themselves.

Levy knew only one of them: Tom G. Palmer, 50, a Cato colleague who is gay. Years ago in California, Palmer said, he brandished a pistol to scare off several men who he feared were about to attack him because of his sexual orientation. He said he wants to be able to legally defend himself in his Washington home.

With some exceptions for police officers and others, the D.C. statute bars residents from owning handguns unless they were registered before 1976, the year the law was enacted. And it requires people with registered rifles or shotguns in their homes to keep them unloaded and either disassembled or fitted with trigger locks, meaning they cannot legally be used for self-defense.

"Ridiculous," Levy said.

In a 2 to 1 decision issued March 9, the appellate panel agreed with the plaintiffs that the gun restrictions violate the Second Amendment. The statute remains in effect, at least temporarily, while attorneys for the city consider their next legal move. The case could be headed to the Supreme Court, and it could affect other strict gun laws across the country.

Levy, who is mainly a writer and lecturer, is one of three plaintiff's attorneys in the case, his first direct involvement in litigation since he graduated from George Mason University law school in 1994, when he was 53. One of his co-counsels, Neily, is working on the lawsuit for free. The other, Alan Gura, a high-priced civil litigation specialist, was hired by Levy to serve as lead counsel and argue the case in court.

"To take something like this all the way through the Supreme Court, you're talking about several hundred thousand dollars," Levy said. But because Gura is charging a reduced rate, "it hasn't been nearly that much." Levy wouldn't cite a figure but said it was "a considerable sum." Whatever the price, he said, "happily, I'm in a position to pay it."

When the D.C. Council passed the restrictions three decades ago, it was trying to curb gun violence. Supporters of the law warn that if the appellate ruling stands and the District is forced to enact a weaker statute, permitting loaded weapons in homes, more shootings are sure to result, by accident and on purpose. Meanwhile, if pistols become legal in homes, many residents probably would acquire them, giving thieves more guns to steal and sell on the streets.

Like other critics of the law, Levy cites the District's annual triple-digit homicide totals and its "ridiculously high rate of crime" in the past 30 years as evidence that the statute has not made Washington safer. Its only impact, he said, has been to disarm honest residents in their homes, leaving them vulnerable in a violent city.

To Levy the libertarian, though, the effectiveness of the law -- its success or failure in curbing crime -- isn't the core issue. What matters most to him is whether the statute unjustly infringes on personal liberties. He doesn't dispute that "reasonable" gun controls are permissible under the Second Amendment. But the District's law amounts to "an outright prohibition," Levy said, and "that offends my constitutional sensibilities."

So he opened his wallet and did something about it.

Because of his and Tom Palmer's involvement in the case, Levy said, a mistaken impression has spread that the Cato Institute instigated the lawsuit. "They love this case and they've been very, very supportive," he said. But Cato is a think tank, not a law firm, and hasn't so much as filed a friend-of-the-court brief in the case. "This is my venture," Levy said.

The lawsuit failed last year in U.S. District Court, prompting the appeal that succeeded this month. Although gun-rights advocates and other organizations have offered to aid the case financially, Levy said, "I've taken nothing. Zero." The reason: "I don't want this portrayed as litigation that the gun community is sponsoring. . . . I don't want to be beholden to anyone. I want to call the shots, with my co-counsel."

He can afford to.

In the interview, Levy recalled his working-class roots in the Petworth area of Northwest Washington, where his parents ran a small hardware store. If there was a gun under the counter or in their home, he said, he never saw it.

After getting a doctorate in business from American University in 1966, he left the city for Silver Spring and started a company in his home: CDA Investment Technologies. Using the limited computer power available then, CDA analyzed and reported on the performances of securities, money managers and institutional portfolios.

Business boomed. By 1986, when he sold the company to a Dutch publishing giant, CDA had offices in Rockville, New York, Chicago, San Francisco, Tokyo and London. The terms of the deal weren't disclosed, but Levy said he got plenty.

"Selling it allowed me to pursue whatever new opportunities I wanted to pursue without any financial pressures at all," he said. He decided to get a law degree and indulge his longtime interest in public policy. He had been contributing money to the Cato Institute for years, and in 1997, Cato hired him as a fellow, giving him a pulpit from which to espouse his views on limited government and the sanctity of personal freedoms.

The Second Amendment is just one of his areas of interest, and not the biggest one, Levy said. The right of the people to keep and bear arms isn't a right he ever needed to exercise.

"Even when I lived up there, I didn't live in D.C.," he said. "I lived in Chevy Chase, in a high-rise that was secure. And before that in Potomac. Not exactly high-risk areas."

The Chevy Chase high-rise is in Montgomery County. Levy and his wife sold the condo two years ago for $2.6 million and moved to Naples. They spend summers in their million-dollar home in Lake Biltmore, N.C., a resort area in the southwest corner of the state.

He said he visits Washington about once a month, but he steers clear of the neighborhood where he grew up. "Today it's an area of drug sales, a lot of crime," he said.

"I mean, where my dad's store was, you don't want to walk around there at night anymore."
 
TexasRifleman, it was August 20, 1994 (the date Wayne wrote in my copy of his book, found it in my library last night) at Crown Books on what I believe was Clarke, but may have been LaSalle Street when Wayne LaPierre told me, 1. there would be no march on D.C., 2. that a coorindated legal effort to judically abolish gun control would not occur as it would leave NRAHQ without jobs and negatively impact funding.
 
2. that a coorindated legal effort to judically abolish gun control would not occur as it would leave NRAHQ without jobs and negatively impact funding.

Seriously disturbing El T.

If someone else had posted this I'd call BS and move on, but I've read enough of what you write to think you would not BS us.

Very worrisome.

Thanks.
 
Anti-gun-owners whipped into lather over Levy

Here are LTEs to the WashPost over the weekend, one pro and one anti-Levy:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/22/AR2007032201880_pf.html

The District's Gun Ban

Friday, March 23, 2007; A16

Regarding the March 18 front-page article "Lawyer Who Wiped Out D.C. Ban Says It's About Liberties, Not Guns," concerning Florida millionaire Robert A. Levy, a onetime Washington resident:

If this doesn't fire up gun control advocates such as myself, I don't know what will. Mr. Levy's actions are so hypocritical. If he wants everybody to bear arms in the District, why doesn't he just move back up here, buy a gun and put it on his bedside table?

He is also way behind on what's happening in society regarding guns. Even toy guns are being banned in homes and on playgrounds by mothers who don't want their children to have anything to do with guns.

PAGE PALMER

Washington




A couple of years ago, Robert Levy -- a senior fellow at the Cato Institute and an attorney for Shelly Parker, a plaintiff in the lawsuit that challenged the District's ban on handguns -- gave a talk in Orange County, Calif., sponsored by the Federalist Society. In his remarks, he previewed the case that led to the overturning of the D.C. gun ban.

I thought he made a good point with the following example, which I am paraphrasing. He asked: If there were a constitutional amendment that read, "A well-stocked library, being necessary to the literacy of our people, the right of the people to keep books, shall not be infringed," would anyone argue that only libraries have a constitutional right to own books?

Kudos to Mr. Levy and his colleagues for a job well done.

HIRBOD RASHIDI

Los Angeles

I say Gura and Levy are getting it done, so let them keep on keepin' on . . . .
 
I can agree with this and it is certianly a thanks but no thanks moment. A supream court ruling would be a far bigger win for all of us then would be a simple repeal in congress.
 
El Tejon said:
Because the NRA would act against the plaintiff. Last thing the NRA wants to see is a clear cut victory in the U.S. Supreme Court; it would be against their interests. NRA has a vested interest in us losing on gun control.

I have begged LaPierre and pointed out to their legal counsel that if we win in the Supreme Court there will still be many, many fights left ahead of us, both to mop up gun control and to expand our RKBA to making it mandatory. They all response that they would be out of jobs and money, ...

This happens many times in the life of an organization. They forget the purpose they were established for and begin to think in terms of their own survival as an entity.

Every government program is enacted temporarily, only to become permanent and the problems are never solved. They only get bigger.

While I didn't hear the conversation, I believe El Tejon would not lie.
 
2. Yes, it was LaPierre, in the flesh in Chicago, Illinois at a bookstore on LaSalle Street (IIRC Crown Books). It is not hysteria, it is what he told me.

If you do not believe me, then ask yourself why it was the Cato Institute taking point on Parker.

While I find #2 tough to believe, I'm not going to dismiss it as ranting until I hear different from Wayne myself (probably won't happen). At least you are willing to be honest about your encounter and provide information. I can respect that and I'm not going to deny the possibility that people in the NRA could feel the way you claim Wayne expressed to you. However, I think we can probably say with some certainity that the people that the NRA represents don't feel threatened by Parker. It would be a real shame, but not the first time that a board of directors lost sight of why they were directors.

Remember, Cato didn't take point on Parker. The reason Cato is associated with Parker is because Robert A. Levy is associated with Cato. To my knowledge, reading the interview with him that was posted recently on this forum, he has bankrolled everything himself. There is no official CATO affiliation, beyond the fact that he is a fellow there.
 
Here's to hoping that the Democrats and Republicans in Congress keep their bickering about the DC Gun ban ongoing, and the SCOTUS to hear *and* decide on the Parker vs DC case.

Would like to see a definitive outcome to this, sooner rather than later.

(Yes, I'm one of the people that believe in what ElTejon says about the NRA. How else can you explain some of the NRA-ILA's actions?)
 
The prior NRA kinda-sorta-NRA-bashing above forgets one important fact.

The NRA may well have been afraid, in the past, of the wrong case going to the wrong Supreme Court at the wrong time.

The Supreme Ct is not really "the" S.C., it's "a" S.C. - that has a given stance at a given time given its current population of justices. What would be dangerous a decade or so ago may be much more rational today.

The NRA as an organization has nothing to fear if RKBA supported. If there's gonna be a 'right' Supreme Ct, this is probably the one. Even if RKBA supported, the devil will be in the details of laws & enforcement at state & local levels, and we have to deal with upcoming ammo battles too (which somehow could turn into a separable issue).

Wins like what are likely to emerge from Parker will guarantee a right but there will be degrees/shadings/levels of control that will need to be fought.

BTW, we're on the front lines here in California: the Brady types are already saying (internally) that ammo control is, to this decade, what assault weapons issues were in the 1990s.

Bill Wiese
San Jose CA
 
Because the NRA would act against the plaintiff. Last thing the NRA wants to see is a clear cut victory in the U.S. Supreme Court; it would be against their interests. NRA has a vested interest in us losing on gun control.

This, I do not agree with. The NRA was just an association of shooters for 100 years... they sponsored matches, promulgated safety, etc. As I remember it, it wasn't until the 1970s that they began lobbying.
 
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