Congressman Proposes New Ammo Ban

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You didn’t need a crystal ball to see this one coming. On Monday, a week after the BATFE withdrew its plan to ban M855 as “armor-piercing ammunition,” U.S. Rep. Steve Israel (D-N.Y.) announced that he intends to introduce legislation to “extend the definition of armor-piercing ammunition to include all bullets that can pierce body armor and be used in handguns.”

The reason you didn’t need a crystal ball is that gun control supporters have been pushing this idea for years. In the 1980s, after NBC-TV did an attack piece on bullets invented for law enforcement officers to shoot through walls and doors, disingenuously calling them “Cop Killer Bullets,” gun control supporters seized upon the term and proposed legislation to ban any bullet that could penetrate a soft protective vest.

Fortunately, the Departments of Justice and Treasury, along with the NRA, opposed the “performance-based” approach to defining “armor-piercing ammunition,” because it would have banned virtually all center-fire rifle ammunition and some center-fire handgun ammunition. Therefore, in 1986, Congress instead adopted a “construction-based” approach, defining bullets as “armor-piercing ammunition” based upon the metals from which they are made.

In the 1990s, President Bill Clinton and then-Rep. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) pushed for a performance-based bullet ban within terrorism legislation. A study released by the BATFE in April 1997, however, concluded “existing laws are working, no additional legislation regarding such laws is necessary.”

Now, the BATFE’s recent attempt to ban M855 has inspired gun control supporters to take another shot at a near-total center-fire bullet ban, and in the case of Rep. Israel, to do so without knowing the first thing about the subject. Israel says his bill is necessary “ecause of significant developments in bullet propellants, coatings and materials, such as Teflon.”

To which we have to ask: Seriously, Teflon? The substance used to coat skillets and 1970s-era all-steel handgun bullets invented for law enforcement officers, so the bullets wouldn’t scratch the rifling of the officers’ handgun barrels? Teflon, which has nothing to do with whether a bullet can penetrate a protective vest? Teflon (speaking of Clinton), the substance said to cover dishonest, misbehaving public officials who nevertheless skirt scrutiny and accountability again and again?

https://www.nraila.org/articles/201...ens-congressman-proposes-center-fire-ammo-ban


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That one is going nowhere, but it would be interesting to see how far it does get before it dies.
 
I remember when cops didn't wear body armor at all. Now they do. Why can't they just take the next step and wear better armor? It's not like it's prohibitively expensive.
 
"Why can't they just take the next step and wear better armor?"

Because there is no guarantee, no matter the cost, that "better armor" will be 100% effective. In the scientific community, it's called: chasing the nth degree.

No amount of money can make it happen for LEO or military personnel.

That idiot Israel might just as well slink off into the corner and play with Carolyn Maloney...they'd likely feel better even though absolutely nothing else would be accomplished. And we'd enjoy the brief respite from their terminal ignorance.
 
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I remember when cops didn't wear body armor at all. Now they do. Why can't they just take the next step and wear better armor? It's not like it's prohibitively expensive.

Rifle armor is heavy, rigid, and looks 'militaristic' (in the eyes of many departments).

The body armor I wear at work won't stop M855. It also won't stop any other high velocity .223 ammo, the ammo from dad's hunting rifle, or pretty much any other rifle.

The NIJ Level IV plate armor I described above will stop all of these.

My head will stop none of those… it's always better to not take rounds in the first place, or to put rounds on the bad guy before they put them on you.

I'm really tired of politicians trying to pass stupid laws in the name of protecting me. I'm fine, thanks!
 
I'm really starting to think the Dems have "diversified" their retirement portfolios in the gun and ammo markets.
 
NIJ Level III hard armor will generally stop multiple M855 and most other .223/5.56mm, though it can be penetrated by fast loads like M193 (55gr FMJ) out of 20+ inch barrels at very close range. No soft armor is rated to stop rifle rounds.
 
US Rep. Steven Israel represents portions of Suffolk and Nassau counties on Long Island and a tiny portion of Queens, NYC. Israel will have a job in the US house until he either quits or dies.


US Rep. Israel knows that his proposed legislation had no chance of passage. He is pandering to his anti-gun base.
 
I really have to say this stuff is pretty mild. I remember when some of the nuttier antis proposed the summary execution of all gun owners and everyone whose ancestor ever owned a gun. The crazies said the desire to possess a gun was a genetic defect and the only way to eliminate the "violence gene" was to wipe out the carriers.

Jim
 
I have a standing proposal that every kid be issued a pony at birth...it has as much chance of becoming reality in the near future and Israel's folly does.
 
Teflon, huh? Next thing you know they are going to try to ban the reintroduction of "cop killer bullets." :scrutiny:




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This guy's bill won't get anywhere and this is just turning into serial rants and that's not our purpose here.
 
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