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Congressman Ron Paul (R) TX warns of coming gun confiscation

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  1. CentralTexas

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    Republican Congressman Slams Bush On Militarized Police State Preparation

    Ron Paul says indictment story is far more damaging than media is portraying, avian flu martial law provisions aimed at gun confiscation

    Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones | October 12 2005

    Congressman Ron Paul has accused the Bush administration of attempting to set in motion a militarized police state in America by enacting gun confiscation martial law provisions in the event of an avian flu pandemic. Paul also slammed as delusional and dangerous plans to invade Iran, Syria, North Korea and China.

    Ron Paul represents the 14th Congressional district of Texas. He also serves on the House of Representatives Financial Services Committee, and the International Relations committee.

    Paul appeared on the Alex Jones show yesterday and raised some interesting points about the possibility of imminent indictments of top Bush administration figures.

    "I think there's a lot more excitement coming and it's not going to be good for the Republicans," stated Paul.

    "The things that I hear have to do with Karl Rove and Abramoff and that's much much worse than anybody would believe and it involves DeLay as well."

    "And that type of an indictment will be much more serious than the indictment of shifting campaign funds around.....there's some political infighting which could make that really interesting."

    On the subject of the police state, Paul stated, "If we don't change our ways we will go the way of Rome and I see that as rather sad.....the worst things happen when you get the so-called Republican conservatives in charge from Nixon on down, big government flourishes under Republicans."

    "It's really hard to believe it's happening right in front of us. Whether it's the torture or the process of denying habeas corpus to an American citizen."
    "I think the arrogance of power that they have where they themselves are like Communists....in the sense that they decide what is right. The Communist Party said that they decided what was right or wrong, it wasn't a higher source."

    Paul responded to President Bush's announcement last week that he would order the use of military assets to police America in the event of an avian flu outbreak.

    "To me it's so strange that the President can make these proposals and it's even plausible. When he talks about martial law dealing with some epidemic that might come later on and having forced quarantines, doing away with Posse Comitatus in order to deal with natural disasters, and hardly anybody says anything. People must be scared to death."

    Paul, himself a medical doctor, agreed that the bird flu threat was empty fearmongering.

    "I believe it is the President hyping this and Rumsfeld, but it has to be in combination with the people being fearful enough that they will accept the man on the white horse. My first reaction going from my political and medical background is that it's way overly hyped and to think that they have gone this far with it, without a single case in the whole country and they're willing to change the law and turn it into a military state? That is unbelievable! They're determined to have martial law."

    Paul opined that the martial law provisions now being promoted by the Bush administration were a direct response to people's unwillingness to relinquish their firearms, as was seen in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.

    "I think they're concerned about the remnant, the remnant of those individuals who don't buy into stuff and think that they should take care of themselves on their own, that they should have their own guns and their own provisions and they don't want to depend on the government at all and I think that is a threat to those who want to hold power. They don't want any resistance to their authoritarian rule."

    Paul opined that the government was on a delusional power trip that threatened the country.

    "These guys are ready to start a war with Iran, Syria, North Korea or China. They can't possibly do that, it's so insane, we don't have the money, we don't have the troops, we probably don't even have the ammunition."

    "But, if they are truly delusional they just might do something that's totally irrational."

    Paul expressed his hope that finally some conservatives are waking up to the fact that the Bush administration is a trojan horse, especially after arch-liberal Harriet Miers was chosen by Bush to supposedly move the Supreme Court to the right, even though her record is atrocious and she has been involved in the past covering up for the Bush crime family's activities.
     
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  2. Henry Bowman

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    If I were a U.S. Senator, I'd be known as "The Ron Paul of the Senate."
     
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    They can have my Cold, Dead Chicken when they pry it from my hands!

    Or something like that............ :evil:
     
  4. Art Eatman

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    To add a bit of dimension to Rep. Paul's remarks:

    In no way do I believe Bush thinks in terms of a "police state", even if that's the outcome of his ideas. The man sincerely thinks he's doing good for the country, even in a Ralph Nader sense of protectionism.

    Dubya was raised in a family which was specifically government as to career. He grew up in LBJ's "Great Society", with people who believe that government not only can but should try to solve social problems. Dubya is essentially a good-hearted guy who doesn't see the potential harm in his views of making life better for people in general.

    I'm not saying his advisors think in that manner. By and large, NeoCons are nowhere near the traditional Conservative view in political philosophy. I think that is shown by the willingness to ignore economic realities and by the militaristic view for foreign policy.

    A flip comment might be that Bush doesn't really understand the limitations on government of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and the NeoCons don't care.

    We seem to be stuck with that ancient notion about "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions." It's the good-intention part of "safety and security at all costs" that has given us such things as the Patriot Act and now this protection against Avian Flu...

    Art
     
  5. thereisnospoon

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    [Sarcasm]Bush NOT a Conservative?[/sarcasm]

    Imagine that, someone finally announcing publicly what we've all known for a long time...

    Bush is just like his Father, WORTHLESS.

    And that comes from someone who voted for him TWICE, albeit because he was the lesser of the tweedles {that being tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber (Kerry)}.

    The Gov't is fatter and happier post Bush than its been in the last 50 years.

    Someone capable of running our country please stand up!
     
  6. pax

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    They did. They do every election cycle.

    But you voted for the lesser of two evils -- and got evil.

    (Does it matter if Bush is merely stupid, or deliberately evil? The outcome of his policies is the same, either way.)

    pax

    Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption for authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the People against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well. But they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters. -- Senator Daniel Webster
     
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    You know it's pretty scary when you actually think about martial law and the military establishing what they call "Law and Order". On an online board like this many people say they will have to pry the gun from their cold dead hands. But realistically what would you really do. If they bang on your door demanding you leave, or turn over your guns and supplies for the greater good what are your options. Two as I see it. Do as they order or resist and die.

    To do what they order, you could potentially end up dead anyway or at least barely surviving. To resist would mean a conflict with the US Military. I don't care how macho you think you are. Your single trigger finger will be no match for fully auto weapons, grenades, armored vehicles etc. Dead that way to. Hummmm, not seeing any up sides to this scenario.
     
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    After I read this it dawned on me that this descriptioin could also apply to Bill Clinton. And while I am, for the most part, a supporter of Bush, I can't think of anything more damning than a description that also applies to Clinton.
     
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    If I had voted third party, might I have gotten the greater of two evils ?
     
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    Silver Bullet ~

    Sure. And all the people who are currently cheering on the power grab (because an elephant suggested it) would instead be fighting it tooth & nail (because a donkey suggested it).

    But you've got to answer to your own conscience. Me, I'm glad I didn't have anything to do with putting this man in office. I think he's done more damage to Constitutional rights than any other president in my lifetime has ever even dreamed of ... and that's saying a lot.

    pax
     
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    3rdpig: Yup. It ain't a matter of personal character, as to political beliefs. But I'll say that Clinton's beliefs had little to do with his drive for political power. I don't really think he believed all he said. I think Bush does, and that's often the scary part.

    Anybody sez he has YOUR best interests at heart is usually lying. Somebody who in some fashion says, "I believe this is best for me and you and the way I want the country to go, since I gotta live here, too." is far more credible.

    Art
     
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    Do I sense a bit of paranoia in this thread. :confused:
     
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    Art - I'm not worried about Bush and these sorts of things. What does worry me is someone like Hillary (name your demon) with legislation/plans/executive orders like this in place. Unfortunately, these things will live on well past his Presidency and that could be a nightmare.
     
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    The hope would be that word would spread, causing the front line humans in the US Military to rethink the propriety of their actions, thereby allowing the first deaths not to be in vain. This means that if you are not among the first to die trying (on principle), then it would be your duty to spread the word of what had transpired far and wide.

    Fortunately, the post-Katrina gun grabbing stopped quickly. If it had not, and word of what was happening had spread to other self-reliant citizens, there would have been blood shed eventually.
     
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    I'm not a card carrying member of the President's Ra-Ra club but, reading the article Ron Paul is the one who comes off looking like the paranoid nutjob
     
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    Exactly, although I'm losing my comfort a bit with Bush.

    The rule to follow in our structure of government is that you must not give to yourself (as a .gov official) any power that you would not trust to your most extreme political opponent. Someday, they are likely to be in power.
     
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    Despite my earlier post, I agree. However, Ron Paul did not write the article. Consider the bias (whether the author wants to make Bush or Paul look bad for the benefit of the left).
     
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    rick & Henry, it's just that notion that got me "all paranoid" :) from the Patriot Act.

    Bush comes off as a basically "I like people" guy. Hillary strikes me as one who definitely does not like people who are at all different in any way from her and her crowd. I think she'd be worse than Lyndon as far as using governmental powers against perceived enemies. His favorite tool was the IRS. She would have the "benefit" of forty years of new, abusive power.

    Art
     
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    How is this "paranoid"?

    Jorge wants to use the military in a law enforcement role.

    If you think people who point out the dangers of this are paranoid, you really need to open a history book.
     
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    You can die defending yourself, or you can die on your knees in a camp somewhere.

    After they've taken your guns it's only a matter of time till you're being crammed into a cattle train.

    I would gladly die protecting my rights and maybe helping make the situation better for others, than realize I made the wrong choice while I'm being led to the "showers".
     
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    Maybe someone should tell that to North Vietnam. I think they missed that point.
     
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    Not that I agree going on the "Alex Jones show" adds to one's credibility - in fact it pretty much confuses it, but I actually think its good that this is being discussed by a Senator. Paranoid maybe, but calling him a nutjob from this article is not warranted IMO. I can't say looking at the current paths of things in this way is bad; it's a course of discussion that has its place.
     
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    Pax,

    Ouch! You hurt my wittle feewings!

    Really, I know what you said is true, I did vote for the lesser of two evils, because I thought the man would do a good job the first time and knew the other would destroy us the second time.

    Turns out I was wrong. I admitt it, freely.

    That being said I asked for someone CAPABLE to run our country please stand up. Maybe what I should have asked for was someone who Capably understood the Constitution to stand up and give it a whirl.
     
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