Congressman Ron Paul (R) TX warns of coming gun confiscation

[dpesec]

Startacus,
Perhaps something even worse than Bird Flu, a WMD terrorist attack that requires a major military response within the boarders. Think about the request that the military be the central first responder in a disaster. The groundwork is being laid even as we watch.

 

[PromptCritical]

I really don't know what to make of all this. The only thing I know for certain is I don't ever want to be put in the position of defending my life against our own military.

 

[artherd]

Do I sense a bit of paranoia in this thread.

There is LEGISLATION in the works to Suspend Posse Comitatus and you're calling US paranoid?

 

[artherd]

The only thing I know for certain is I don't ever want to be put in the position of defending my life against our own military.

THIS is exactly why the second ammendment exists and protects not only our right to keep and bear shoulder-fired arms smaller than 0.50" caliber. This is why it also protects my right to own a LAW, an M1A1 Abrams, an F-14 Tomcat with the Pheonix missile system if I so desire.

 

[Joejojoba111]

resistance aint that futile

"To do what they order, you could potentially end up dead anyway or at least barely surviving. To resist would mean a conflict with the US Military. I don't care how macho you think you are. Your single trigger finger will be no match for fully auto weapons, grenades, armored vehicles etc. Dead that way to. Hummmm, not seeing any up sides to this scenario."

Not quite.

Ever wondered how so many millions of Jews, Gypsies, and untermenschen Gentiles were massacered by mere battalions of Germans? They gave up before they tried resisting. They were told they would be re-settled, or some nonsense, and they chose to believe it. They willingly submitted. They have made a sacrifice so that everyone can learn from it. DO not believe the bluster, the hype, the hoopla. A handful of holdouts in the Warsaw ghetto engaged battalions, with only improvised weapons and what they could acquire from their enemies!

If a time traveller went back and told only the Gypsies, or the Jews to resist, then they could not have been killed. It was a matter of logistics, there were not enough bullets to kill them all. There were not enough rifles, not enough soldiers, not enough shovels to dig enough graves, it was impossible. It required co-operation on the part of the victims.

There is no need to get into current-day specifics, but just imagine if every Jewish family in 1937 was equipped with a shotgun and 10 shells. At least 1 German would die in each entry, and that means you would want at least 30 Germans to storm each house. This requires that much food and vehicles and ammunition and fuel, and housing. If it takes only 30 minutes to clear an entire house, and round up the survivors and ship them off, then you can perform 20 clearances per day, due to transportation between sites, and briefings before entrance. And each day you lose 2/3 of your clearing soldiers. Say 3 million domestic Jews, say 10 per family, 1 family per house, You have 300,000 houses to clear, you will lose 300,000 soldiers doing so. The entire logistics train will take you another 300,000 men, and you will need 300,000 training as replacements.

As you can see, in the face of overwhelming defeat the most futile struggle imagineable will still cost the enemy nearly man for your 6 - 900,000 : 6,000,000.

Thats if each house only gets 1 shotgun blast off at the door before being overwhelmed.


Resistance is far from futile. The problem is that, as you see in the Warsaw Ghetto, resistance happens only as a very last resort, if it happens at all. But America has more militant spirit than most other countries, and this is what is giving those who plan the police state the greatest headaches.

 

[SgtGunner]

edited due to un pc content

 

[dpesec]

I was talking to some active duty friends about NO. To a man, they all said, the thought of pointing a rifle at an American was something they didn't want to do, let alone shooting at one.
This might give us something to think about.

 

[scotjute]

The US Army has some of the finest and most patriotic people in it I've ever met. Most of them take very seriously their vow to uphold the constitution of the United States.

 

[Chrontius]

They can have my Cold, Dead Chicken when they pry it from my hands!

Or something like that............

Why do you have a dead chicken in your hands? Were you choking that poor bird?

Exactly, although I'm losing my comfort a bit with Bush.

The rule to follow in our structure of government is that you must not give to yourself (as a .gov official) any power that you would not trust to your most extreme political opponent. Someday, they are likely to be in power.

Losing? You don't read Slashdot, do you? Go read up on data mining, CAPPS, RFID, TIPS and all those other alphabet soup (Now with 66% more paranoia for a bigger, meatier flavor) acronyms. I never had any comfort with him; I was astounded that he let the AWB expire without any lobbying on his part and completely not suprised when he pledged to sign an extension if it got to his desk.

 

[cspanjunky]

Where will the undefiled discussion happen?

I love Dr. Ron Paul. From 1995 to 1999 I video recorded every SPECIAL ORDER speech he gave on the House floor. He always gets my blood boiling. The mainstream media is never going to have serious, unbiased discussion on the 2nd Amendment or any other issue that's important to Americans. I'm not sure everyone here would agree with my politics, but no one is taking my weapons from me. I only own three at this time. My first birthday present from my father in 1965 was a Colt .22 and a hand made holster.

Getting back to the media and discussion, not the spin, I think C-SPAN is one of the only places real, unedited, undefiled coverage is ever going to happen.

The problem with Democracy is, We need more Democracy.
The problem with C-SPAN is, We need more C-SPAN.

I hope everyone here would support more C-SPAN to discuss the issues that can't be discussed in the corporate media.

Not to get too far off topic; please support more C-SPAN and real discussion of the Constitution.

To: U.S. Congress and the FCC


We, the undersigned, while believing in the importance of a Free Market and Freedom of Speech, also believe in the importance of The Public Airwaves to be used as mandated by the FCC "...In the Public Interest, Necessity, and Convenience." We believe the use of The Public Airwaves is crucial to spread knowledge, culture, and civics. We therefore write to petition you to consider major changes in the allocation of the Broadcast Spectrum.

The Public Airwaves are a Vast Toxic Wasteland.
Congress needs to hold hearing on THE STATE OF THE AIRWAVES.
They would find:

1) That the Broadcast and Cable companies have not lived up to using the Public Airwaves, as the FCC mandated "... in the spirit of Public Interest, Necessity, and Convenience."

2) That the FCC and Congress have " given away, rent free", the Public Airwaves.

3) That the Broadcast and Cable companies have "... made so much money doing IT'S worst, IT can't afford to do better."


In the 1990's the FCC, with much support from the Congress, auctioned off portions of the Broadcast Spectrum. One portion of the Spectrum that was being auctioned would potentially reach 16 million customers (citizens). Almost as many people as the population of the state of Texas.

That particular portion sold for $3.00. Three dollars! When former FCC chairman Reed was asked to comment, he said "...I wish I had three dollars".

This cavalier policy and stewardship of the Public Airwaves has been good for the Broadcast and Cable companies, and their stock holders. And absolutely hideous for Civics, Public Affairs, and Democracy.

Before 2009, the FCC will give away more of the Public Airwaves, worth between 80-100 billion dollars. Once again, the Public will be outside, looking in, as the Broadcast Spectrum goes to the highest campaign contributors.

What does the Public receive from the License holders, for their use of the Broadcast Spectrum? Inexpensive Cable and Satellite packages? Intellectually stimulating programs broadcast into our homes at no charge? Choices and Diversity? Event coverage and programming with redeemable qualities? Or is it "...500 channels and still there's nothing worth watching".

There are many Independent, Grassroots, and Localized ways to use the Broadcast Spectrum. But on the National level, the Country needs more Public affairs, more Civics. The unedited, undefiled paradigm C-SPAN has perfected, is the only thing We can all agree on. It promotes Democracy and Participation. Not even the corporate media conglomerates can be against Democracy.

We therefore call on the Congress, and the FCC, to hold hearings on the benefits of more C-SPAN. And to take steps to move forward with the endeavor of creating more C-SPAN Companion Networks. When there is more than enough Broadcast Spectrum to dedicate to Civics, Culture, History and Democracy, We should not allow greed to get in the way of the Public Interest, Necessity and Convenience.

Put the Public back in the Public Airwaves.

http://www.petitiononline.com/cspannow/

A country that has more ESPN networks than C-SPAN networks, is in trouble.

 

[Justin]

Alex Jones is a nut.

But when the tinfoil hat crowd starts to sound like they know what's up, I think that's a sign.

 

[CentralTexas]

Alex Jones

-problem is if only 10% of what he says is true, we are screwed!
CT

 

[Beethoven]

There is LEGISLATION in the works to Suspend Posse Comitatus and you're calling US paranoid?

There is actual legislation in the works to do this?????

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

especially after arch-liberal Harriet Miers was chosen by Bush

Generally it has been my experience that if you already have a good argument, you don't need to rely on ridiculous hyperbole to make your point.

 

[Burt Blade]

If the other side of the political fence had proposed most of these recent laws, the howling on this forum would be audible without the cable connection.

Please don't say "That sort of thing cannot happen here!"

Ask some U.S. citizens of Japanese ancestry about the possibility of the U.S. Government throwing _U.S. citizens_ into camps as "enemy" aliens. The Cherokee and other southeastern tribes wound up in Oklahoma, then most of that was taken away too. Once upon a time, the Supreme Court ruled that some folks were not really citizens. Later, they decided that even if they were citizens, they weren’t really the same as other citizens. As recently as this year, someone decided they could go door to door confiscating stuff and/or throwing folks out. You can also take their property if the new owner will pay higher taxes.

Even if you trust the current crowd 100%, and even if they are worthy of that trust, do you _really_ want to leave those sorts of laws around for the next administration?

 

[spooney]

If the other side of the political fence had proposed most of these recent laws, the howling on this forum would be audible without the cable connection.

Please don't say "That sort of thing cannot happen here!"

Ask some U.S. citizens of Japanese ancestry about the possibility of the U.S. Government throwing _U.S. citizens_ into camps as "enemy" aliens. The Cherokee and other southeastern tribes wound up in Oklahoma, then most of that was taken away too. Once upon a time, the Supreme Court ruled that some folks were not really citizens. Later, they decided that even if they were citizens, they weren’t really the same as other citizens. As recently as this year, someone decided they could go door to door confiscating stuff and/or throwing folks out. You can also take their property if the new owner will pay higher taxes.

Even if you trust the current crowd 100%, and even if they are worthy of that trust, do you _really_ want to leave those sorts of laws around for the next administration?

The Cherokee also took their case to the supreme court and arguing that the Federal Government had no right to move them, won. The President at the time moved them anyway. Even if you are legally in the right this can still happen to you.

 

[Sewerman]

Its a sad state of afairs but America is beyond repair.
We are circling the drain. Amerika will have its first dictator in the next 20 years.
Read your history, our republic has already lived about 30 years longer than any other. Republics have always detiriorated into dictatorships. We have the dubious honor of living in "interesting times".

 

[cspanjunky]

Synopsis

Director Robert Kane Pappas’ ORWELL ROLLS IN HIS GRAVE is the consummate critical examination of the Fourth Estate, once the bastion of American democracy. Asking whether America has entered an Orwellian world of doublespeak where outright lies can pass for the truth, Pappas explores what the media doesn’t like to talk about: itself.

Meticulously tracing the process by which media has distorted and often dismissed actual news events, Pappas presents a riveting and eloquent mix of media professionals and leading intellectual voices on the media.

Among the cast of characters in ORWELL ROLLS IN HIS GRAVE are Charles Lewis, director of the Center for Public Integrity, Vincent Bugliosi, former L.A. prosecutor and legal scholar, film director and author Michael Moore, Rep. Bernie Sanders, Danny Schecter, author and former producer for ABC and CNN, and Tony Benn, former member of the British Parliament.

ORWELL ROLLS IN HIS GRAVE provides a vital forum for ideas that will never be heard in mainstream media. From Globalvision’s Danny Schecter: “We falsely think of our country as a democracy when it has evolved into a mediacracy – where a media that is supposed to check political abuse is part of the political abuse.” New York University media professor Mark Crispin Miller says, “These commercial entities now vie with the government for control over our lives. They are not a healthy counterweight to government. Goebbels said that what you want in a media system – he meant the Nazi media system - is to present the ostensible diversity that conceals an actual uniformity.”

From the very size of the media monopolies and how they got that way to who decides what gets on the air and what doesn’t, ORWELL ROLLS IN HIS GRAVE moves through a troubling list of questions and news stories that go unanswered and unreported in the mainstream media. Are Americans being given the information a democracy needs to survive or have they been electronically lobotomized? Has the frenzy for media consolidation led to a dangerous irony where in an era of more news sources the majority of the population has actually become less informed?

ORWELL ROLLS IN HIS GRAVE reminds us that 1984 is no longer a date in the future.

http://www.orwellrollsinhisgrave.com/

 

[beerslurpy]

I think, but my fuzzy recollection is that there were some unseemly activities involved in Senator Prescott Bush's closet.

They made their initial money during the 30s funneling the nazi rearmament profits (Thiessen steel et al) onto US soil. They used their take to get into the oil business.

It wasnt illegal per se, but it was definitely an act that in retrospect seems morally dubious. They were simply helping a wealthy German industrialist to evade high taxes. They couldnt have predicted that the nazis would later declare war on the US or attempt to take over the world.

 

[Fletchette]

They couldnt have predicted that the nazis would later declare war on the US or attempt to take over the world.

Hmmm. I suppose that all of the globalists who are now funnelling money and technology into China couldn't predict that the Communists would...

 

[utahminirevolver]

I've known for quite some time now that the Democrats are mostly up to no good.

And now it turns out that the Republicans aren't much better.

So how do we get the Constitution party into power?

 

[Fletchette]

I've known for quite some time now that the Democrats are mostly up to no good.

And now it turns out that the Republicans aren't much better.

So how do we get the Constitution party into power?

Very good question. I wish I knew.

Unfortunately, our political system seems to have been undermined by the "two party system" (note that political parties were never mentioned in the Constitution). Through House rules, Senate rules, gerrymandering and ballot laws, it is virtually impossible for a third party to gain any power, or even get on the ballot. Pile McCain-Feingold on top of this system, and it is virtually impossible to even find out about third parties.

I think the only plausible hope for saving the Republic is for individual states to take back much of the power the Federal government has stolen from them. As an example, if Washington State simply refused to prosecute any and all marijuana charges, the Feds would end up spending an enormous amount of money stepping in to do that. Montana also came very close to passing a law that would require any Federal police agencies to notify the sheriff of any county they were performing operations in. This would prevent any Waco-type operations from occurring.

Of course, these actions would certainly provoke a confrontation with the Fed.

 

[Strings]

Honestly, almost every third party option suffers from the same problem: too extreme.

The Greens tend to make the Dems look like centrists. The Libertarians have too many disparate planks to cohesively a large number of people together. The Constitution boys have too much religion mixed in to their platform. Etc...

About the ONLY way I can see a third party happening is if the moderates of both the Dems and the Rebubs get together and form their own. Which wouldn't be bad, either...

 

[CAnnoneer]

The problem is most people are asleep. They dream of some pink ideal, an America that never was but should be, while the real situation deteriorates every year. There is only one big party now, the Authoritarians, and it has been successfully dismantling the checks and balances of our fine country for awhile now. The average Joe is the proverbial slow-boiled frog.