Considering first AR build.

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I have been wanting an AR for awhile now and everywhere I look, people always say that it is cheaper to build your own AR then to buy a complete rifle. Well what I think what I want is a simple .308 rifle that is relativley accurate.

Now I really dont know where to start, does anybody have any insight for me or shopping tips? I really dont want to spend over $1000,

thanks
 
Here are some links to help you get started. My best piece of advice would be to spend plenty of time researching before rushing out to purchase your rifle. I spent roughly 8 months researching and as a result have a rifle that is both top-quality and completely satisfying for my needs. Companies that I considered include Spike's Tactical (whom I ended up choosing), Daniel Defense, Bravo Company USA, Rock River Arms, & of course, Colt.

Link 1 - Read through this page as well as the subsequent linked posts.

Link 2 - Another good post for beginners.

You should also peruse AR15.com
 
Oops, technical difficulty being experienced.

The AR15 is NOT available in .308. The magwell and action are too short. The AR10 action is required, and those are in the $1500 range.

Building either is NOT cheaper. It's just like buying a car , the best example of that was the old story of the '84 LTD. $8,000 on the lot, $24,000 across the parts counter.

You can't buy lowers, uppers, barrels, etc at the volume rates a business will get with a 1,000 to 10,000 piece order. They get huge discounts and can afford to assemble the gun and sell it for less than the cost of the same parts they retail. Which is exactly why you can't - we get priced per each, and add shipping on that, too.

What you do get when you build is something that isn't offered by anyone, without the hassle of buying something, stripping off the parts you didn't want, and buying more. Those parts left over won't sell for new, they were assembled and they are used, about half off. Add that loss as further expense, it's cash not in your pocket.

EX: I built a Foliage Green dissipator, A1 stock, rifle handguards, TD grip, A3 upper, AGP lower with adjustable trigger, in 6.8SPC midlength gas and BRT comp. The barrel, bolt, and carrier are all nitrided. $1000. It's not offered by anyone, likely the only one in 500 miles, and probably about $200 over retail if someone offered them.

If it's a simple M4gery, you'd be money ahead to get any one of the dozens offered at $599 and up. It would be done, with a warranty. Or, order a complete lower and upper, ship them both to the FFL, and assemble it there for about $100 less as no tax would be charged - or warranty offered.

It's a competitive market now, lots of suppliers, demand is down from the Obamascare days, and prices are low to move inventory. Unless you need to build, or just want to, finished guns are the better deal - just the opposite of a few years ago. But that's how far behind word of mouth is.
 
I doub't you could build an AR-10 in that price range. Most people build AR's to make them custom and say they built them not to save money. I could have bought 4 cheap new ar's (dpms) for the price it cost me to put mine together after optics.
 
"t's a competitive market now, lots of suppliers, demand is down from the Obamascare days, and prices are low to move inventory. Unless you need to build, or just want to, finished guns are the better deal - just the opposite of a few years ago. But that's how far behind word of mouth is."

Ok the last time I was looking into building an AR was right before the election. Now I guess I need to figure out if I want to buy an AR-15 or cough up some extra money and buy an AR-10...... or maybe 6.8
 
I was looking at the exact same thing, and then I found out that you can't swap between a .223 upper and a .308 upper, and I decided my good old 30-06 may already be filling my rifle need. Just couldnt' quite swallow the cost of the AR-10 pill.
 
I think you can get the parts for an AR10 build for under $1000.00

But, like everything else, the devil's in the details.

There are tools you MUST have to build the rifle--barrel nut wrench, barrel extension wrench, receiver blocks (vise) both upper and lower; a good torque wrench, gas tube pliers, a good set of punches (think Starrett) and headspace gauges. You'll need some non-marring big-faced punches, as well as a good rawhide or non-marking mallet or hammer, an 8 oz. ball pein, special tools for installation of the mag catch pin and the pivot pin, and stock wrench for the rear, as well.

It's not hard to do--but it must be done with a bit of care and some attention to detail. With the tools, expect to be out about $1300-$1400 by the time it's said and done.
 
You can get a very nice complete rifle in your price range from a number of manufacturers. Check out CMMG:
cmmginc.secure-mall.com/
Many Walmarts are now selling a Bushmaster for $899.
 
I am now consdering buying a dpms 308 carbine and buying parts as I see fit like a new barrel and trigger. Are parts like that readialy avaiable like they are for an ar-15?
Would a carbine with a stainless steel barrel and good trigger be effective at 500 yards or so?

Not quite sure why I want to stay away from 223. I just am one of those guys who like bigger calibers :evil:
 
Would a carbine with a stainless steel barrel and good trigger be effective at 500 yards or so?

If you can throw the carbine that far, whomever you hit with it would hurt like the dickens. Probably leave a mark.

:neener:

Considering GIs with M4s and ACOGs are hitting silhouettes at 600m, probably, but:

Just what are you planning to shoot at exactly? Critters, paper targets, big critters, small critters? ;)
 
My vision for this is that I will have a rifle that is extermely versatile. My main use will be paper targets. I also like the Idea of being able to hit targets at relativley long range, with decent accuarcy. Also the occasional deer hunting and the reasn i want the carbine is if I ever encourted a SHTF or home defense( i know id go death)

So in a perfect world I would have a semi automatic sniper rifle that doubles as a carbine all for $1000. In reality I know that you cant have the best of both worlds and I'd like to try to find a good middle ground.

I dont mind spending some money as time goes on improving the rife but all I can come up with right now is about a grand. Any reccomendations that you guys have would be greatly appericated
 
I would just buy an entry level ar-10 for about $1000 save up some money and pick up a decent scope you don't need a trigger or new barrel but parts are readily available if you with to do so. Have you thought about a Rem 750 synthetic they look kinda tactical and cheaper
 
A 750 might be a nice rifle but I want to buy something that makes liberals cringe. I did consider a FAL but I hear the Ar 10 is much more accurate. I also like the M1A but 1000 is already breaking the bank.
 
Save up a bit more and get one of these for $1300
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Check out http://www.762sass.com/product.php?p=389&cid=9&session=8b80ff5976359e03b141ceebf0812813 for more information and other models
 
Really like the sass alot. I really have about two months before I get my late tax return... long story with that one. I already had a Saiga before in 223.It is definitely a low cost alternative to consider tho.
 
I am now consdering buying a dpms 308 carbine and buying parts as I see fit like a new barrel and trigger. Are parts like that readialy avaiable like they are for an ar-15?
Would a carbine with a stainless steel barrel and good trigger be effective at 500 yards or so?




i have a DPMS lr308 ss 1/10 AND SO FAR I HAVE AROUND 150 ROUNDS OUT IT , LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT BE A GOOD TIGHT GROUPING GUN,

it is a HEAVY GUN:eek:

I HAVE GOTTEN 2 CLOVER LEAFS SO FAR :cool: off of a bi-pod, IT is coming around, mine does seem to have a crunchy trigger so ill probably change that out but that is about all i feel the gun needs

im still messing around with bullets and powder but it look like 168 MK will be the bullet it likes, so far im only on the 100 yd side our range only goes to 200 will get over there as soon as i settle on a bullet.


mine i traded for at a gun show but the sticker was $1050.00, out the door.
if you look around you can find mags for $20-23 most dpms mags will be $40-45 i have had zero trouble out of the mag pull mags
 
Given the listed requirements, make sure it's a good hunting caliber first. If plinking paper, then relatively inexpensive.

The problem right there is whether 5.56 is 1) legal to hunt with in your jurisdiction, 2) adequate for the game. Then you have to decide what proportion to ammo cost to allocate. I built a 6.8 because I wanted 40% more power, and hunting uses a lot less ammo than target shooting. To get cheaper ammo, I'm planning on buying a reloading press next tax entitlement season, to reduce costs about 50%.

Another decision is whether it's an AR15 or AR10. .308 is a major step up in power, ammo is cheaper, the weapon is two pounds heavier. It's possible to get one used under $1000, but not likely new at all.

Since it's this world, prioritize your needs. One or two of the ideal requirements are just going to get left behind, like it or not.

What will you do with it 85% of the time? If it's paper, 5.56 will get the job done. Long distance is possible - but accuracy out to 600m means it won't be a carbine, more likely a varmint/precision rifle. That makes it a tube free float, fixed stock, A3 upper, lo pro gas block, with scope and bipod. A good name brand stainless precision barrel is mandatory, and you should buy with that requirement up front.

If it's hunting first, and plinking for fun, then maybe a carbine will do. Effective ranges when hunting are less than 300m, simply beccause most game animals are hard to see beyond that in their environment. Prairie dogs, woodchucks, and antelope aren't the normal game most Americans hunt. It's whitetail deer, and they live in woodland edges with limited visibility. That also means the large scope of long distance shooting is a disadvantage, a red dot does the job much better. For picking up on a close target that will only be visible for seconds, red dots get the job done. So much so, they are the primary optic on the M4 now.

Decisions, decisions, the first one counts the most: What range, what target? Determine that, everything falls into place after as it contributes to the desired result. How? First, caliber/cartridge, then barrel, then optic, then furniture, then trigger. In that order, you can build a very specialized gun, or an all purpose one.

EX: Hunting rifle on whitetail out to 300m. I chose 6.8SPC - others bias their choice by what other things they might do. I got an ARP 16" midlength medium contour nitrided barrel, and A3 upper with rail for a red dot, fixed A1 stock, Tango Down Battlegrip, rifle length handguards, a FSB at the rifle position, an issue trigger with adjustable takeup screw, and linear compensator to move the maximum amount of noise forward.

A 600m gun would be more likely a 6.5Grendel, with stainless target barrel, perhaps a monolithic upper for 4x12 minimum scope, adjustable cheek weld stock, an Ergo grip, bipod, and no flash hider. It would also be nearly AWB compliant, if that's a local complication.

Narrow down what range, what target for 85% of what you want it to really do, and the rest should fall into place with no compromising. Then it will be fun and accurate, not a PITA and something to regret.
 
Either alternate caliber will make an excellent hunting rifle. What probably needs to be nailed down is exactly what ranges you'll actually be shooting.

Most game animals are shot at less than 300m - prairie dogs, antelope, and groundhogs are more the exception than the rule, and long distance ranges to practice on - like those with a 500m line - are, too.

The reality for most hunters is that the good ol' .30-30 still leads as America's #1 hunting caliber, and has for over 100 years. It has an effective limit of about 250m. Odds are there is very little to worry over a loss of range using the .308 from a 16-18" barrel. What is a complication is that .308 is more cartridge than many hunters actually need to down game, even at typical hunting ranges. An intermediate alternative cartridge will still deliver over 1000 foot pounds out beyond 350m - without the recoil and weight of a heavy rifle.

It's just difficult to accept in a society of extremely conservative shooters who also base decisions on testosterone influenced criteria. In this case, it can be argued the larger cartridge is justified. It depends on whether elk, bear, caribou, moose, or seriously dangerous game are involved. But it's also hard to justify if the said game is more than 500 miles away. The logistics of an out of state tag, travel, lodging, and guide, whether paid or friend/family, also counts in.

Goes back to what kind of game will be hunted, and what geophysical terrain will it be hunted on. Specific answers will determine the better choices.
 
Well you asked me to think about what i'm going to do with it 85% of the time and realistically that is shooting paper between 100 and 200 yards( thats pretty much the farthest range available)

Even though conventional wisdom would say that really all the gun I need is a 5.56 there is just something about the 7.62 that just really appeals to me.

I'm starting to realize that in order to build a long range rifle in 308 after scope it's going to cost me alot more then $1000 and while I like the idea of being able to hit targets a long way off, I will rarely be able to actually test its capabilities.

So now I'm thinking that a 1-2 moa carbine is what I need?


This rifle is going to be the largest gun purchase by far I have ever made and it is starting to drive me nuts. It's all I have been thinking about the last couple days. :banghead:

On a side note my dad has stuff to reload at his house and I plan on doing that with .308
 
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