Considering getting a Beretta Px4

[berettaprofessor]

I had both a 9 mm PX4 and a 45mm. Sold them both. Just never thought the trigger on either was that good and never liked the aesthetics of the guns....I just think they're top heavy and ugly. Shot them okay, but no better than 6 other guns.

 

[MedWheeler]

berettaprofessor writes:

I had both a 9 mm PX4 and a 45mm.

Does the rotating barrel help much with that?

 

[JTQ]

berettaprofessor writes:
Does the rotating barrel help much with that?

Patrick E. Kelley with the Beretta PX4 in .45 Auto

 

[zaitcev]

Patrick E. Kelley with the Beretta PX4 in .45 Auto

I can hardly believe he forgot to take the gun off safety when drawing or engaged the safety by accident. Many people like to say that it's merely a training issue. But it keeps happening to the best of us.

 

[JTQ]

I can hardly believe he forgot to take the gun off safety when drawing or engaged the safety by accident. Many people like to say that it's merely a training issue. But it keeps happening to the best of us.

I wish I could shoot like Mr. Kelley, but if you watch enough of his video's, the thing that cracks me up is he keeps dropping the mag out of all kinds of pistols in the middle of a string of shots.

He explains the problem he has early in that PX4 .45 video (he reversed the mag catch on the .45 PX4 to keep it from happening), a lefty with large hands that can reach around to the mag release, but in the video on the 9mm version of the PX4, he drops the mag while shooting two or three times.

As a righty with small hands, the idea of this happening is so foreign to me, it's something that really sticks out when it happens to him.

 

[Ignition Override]

JTQ: That must be embarrassing. Sometimes I'm glad to be a Lefty. I really enjoyed both times I was given a PX4 Storm Compact to shoot.

My first carry gun was a .380 Russian Makarov.

With the gun empty, the support hand --first-- drops to the heel, and easily moves the heel release for the Empty mag.
It requires a split second. After all, the support must always be removed from the gun (correct?) to be Able grab a second mag if desired, making it quite available to First go to the heel release.

As to why this is seen as a challenge still escapes me. Despite being a new habit pattern to be learned, it shouldn't be that difficult.

 

[MedWheeler]

JTQ writes:

Patrick E. Kelley with the Beretta PX4 in .45 Auto..

I was actually asking about berettaprofessor's in 45mm, not .45ACP. (poking fun at his apparent mistake.)

 

[Navy87Guy]

That's why Step 1 after I buy a Storm is converting it to the G-version!

I will never willingly buy another non-SAO handgun with a manual safety. I have two -- a Beretta M9 (the service pistol I used in the Navy) and a KelTec P17 that I won in a raffle. That's it. I understand the need for a safety on SAO's like the 1911, but Mr. Kelley's experience is exactly why I won't have them on my DA/SA or striker-fired pistols.

 

[JR24]

I wish I could shoot like Mr. Kelley, but if you watch enough of his video's, the thing that cracks me up is he keeps dropping the mag out of all kinds of pistols in the middle of a string of shots.

He explains the problem he has early in that PX4 .45 video (he reversed the mag catch on the .45 PX4 to keep it from happening), a lefty with large hands that can reach around to the mag release, but in the video on the 9mm version of the PX4, he drops the mag while shooting two or three times.

As a righty with small hands, the idea of this happening is so foreign to me, it's something that really sticks out when it happens to him.

I don't have small hands, but also don't have giant monkey mitts (L/XL depending on glove, so pretty average I think) and agree, it's something I never even thought of happening. Until I rented a Sig 938. Under recoil I dropped the mag at least once every 5 or 6 shots. It was really annoying.

That's why Step 1 after I buy a Storm is converting it to the G-version!

I will never willingly buy another non-SAO handgun with a manual safety. I have two -- a Beretta M9 (the service pistol I used in the Navy) and a KelTec P17 that I won in a raffle. That's it. I understand the need for a safety on SAO's like the 1911, but Mr. Kelley's experience is exactly why I won't have them on my DA/SA or striker-fired pistols.

I agree on principle, especially with slide mounted safeties, but I recently got a HK45c that has the decocker/safety and I've grown to like it (was planning on dumping it for a LEM as soon as I could find one), the safety is in the right location that my firing grip and 1911 trained brain instantly disengage it if I happen to have it on (I put it on a few times occasionally during training to see if it slows me down) and it is handy to have for administrative tasks.

Still, I wish it was just the push button decocker the smaller P2000 and P30 have.

 

[JTQ]

Since this is a PX4 thread, here is Mr. Kelley shooting the 9mm PX4. This is a very good series of video's Mr. Kelley has created.

 

[JTQ]

sootch00 with the PX4



About a decade ago, when the Glock 9mm Gen 4 ejection/extraction stuff started showing up on forums, I began paying attention to ejection/extraction patterns on guns in these various videos. Note the positive and consistent ejection from the PX4's in all of these videos.

For reference, watch the ejection sootch00 gets with this Beretta APX. Certainly there are a lot of variables, and it could be just that one individual APX, but it is a noticeable difference.