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Continuing the "friend or foe" discussion

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Oleg Volk, Jan 11, 2006.

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  1. Oleg Volk

    Oleg Volk Moderator Emeritus

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    I don't think no-knock ("dynamic") warrants for reasons other than hostage rescue are a good idea. Does this image communicate that concept clearly? How can it be improved?
     
  2. Tequila_Sauer

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    I think it's better without the caption giving the answer at the bottom. Getting the person to look at the picture and genuinely question what you're asking without ever receiving a right answer is more effective, IMHO.

    I really the point of the picture though. Very interesting.
     
  3. taliv

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    for the sake of argument, if the gangbanger in the picture knocks and yells "police, open up we have a warrant"...

    will the result be much different?
     
  4. Oleg Volk

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    Possibly -- though hardly anyone knows what a warrant should look like, can at least tell them to wait while calling the local PD to inquire if their people are out witht hat warrant. Keep the hand on the claymore switch until they confirm :D

    What do you think: keep the sub-caption or ditch it?
     
  5. f4t9r

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    iT DOES MAKE YOU THINK !!!!!!!!!!!!!
    iT COULD HAPPEN
     
  6. taliv

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    i like the poster. i think it works. and i agree no-knocks suck, but it's just a bad situation all the way around. i've no idea what the solution is, but it has to be something other than "trust me. i'm from the government. i'm here to help."
     
  7. odysseus

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    Exactly. There is no opportunity to check ID's and look at a warrant when someone is bursting through your door/windows with a rifle pointed at you and your family. :uhoh:


    BTW Oleg, that's a good one.
     
  8. Gordon Fink

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    And so many gun owners wonder why the police would want law-abiding citizens to be unarmed.

    ~G. Fink
     
  9. Standing Wolf

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    Instead of "Bang, you are dead," the copy should read, "Bang! You're dead." The contraction would be far preferable.

    That said™, I'm not sure the fine print needs to be there at all.
     
  10. springmom

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    I think I'd ditch it..

    First of all, that is ONE POWERFUL IMAGE. Congratulations: it gave me the shivers. :eek:

    ...but what it says needs to be said as follow up. Is this going to be on a poster? A magazine ad? What? What you do with the text probably needs to be related to where the photo is going to be... Just my .02, highly overinflated as usual.

    Springmom
     
  11. Old NFO

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    Oleg, to make it more "correct" I'd have the shooter in a bacalava and backlit a little stronger so that you really have more outline than anything else. Also, i agree with Standing Wolf on the contraction.
     
  12. Tomekeuro85

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    My thought is, if you haven't done anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about and it's most likely a gangloserbanger at your door. Police very rarely make mistakes like this. I'm not sure what this poster is advertising besides anti-no-knock entry, but you also have to see it from the point of view of the officers. If they give a warning to a dangerous suspect, they are only risking their own life by giving the suspect a chance to get a weapon, or escape. There was a story sometime back when an officer knocked with a warrant, and the suspect shot a .357 through the door and killed the officer. Had the officer not knocked, he would more likely still be alive. Also, police probably don't kick the door down and start shooting. (unless they are trigger happy or something)

    However, in terms of effectiveness, I guess this will suffice. I agree as well with the contraction. You are dead takes too long to read.
     
  13. R.H. Lee

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    If I saw that outside my door, I'd jump back and start negotiating. "Wait there until I call the police station and verify that you're legit. I am armed and if you attempt to enter I will open fire." I would then take cover and draw a bead on the door (probably with a 12 ga) while I call 911. What would the likely response be? It seems to me if they were gangbangers they would leave. If they were really cops I imagine tear gas and flashbangs would come crashing through windows.
     
  14. Stiletto Null

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    Drop the subcaption, the picture had more impact without it.

    ***

    Is it proper practice, if someone knocks on your door with a "Police! Warrant!" to yell back "Hold on, I'm going to verify with the department before I open the door"?
     
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    I would drop the subcaption. While it does make an excellent point, it could seem a little heavy-handed. Kind of like the liberals cry of "for the childrens sake".

    Jubei
     
  16. Oleg Volk

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    I don't have a balaclava on hand, need to get it for use as a prop. I'll drop the sub-caption, would be more general that way.
     
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    Keep the caption no sheep is going to think that a crook could look like a cop

    You should stick call 911 to verify the warrant or some similar thing in as well because none of the sheep will know how to verify a warrant
     
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    darn sorry double post make the caption at the bottom



    He isn't a cop, BANG
     
  19. taliv

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    oleg, perhaps a better subcaption would be a statistic like: "In the US, there were x home invasions in 2004 where the invaders impersonated LEOs. There were y home invasions by LEOs no-knocking the wrong house."

    just to let people know that it does happen and it's not just a tinfoil hat paranoia




    I think I heard a shot
     
  20. Oleg Volk

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    Does anyone have even approximate numbers of such events?
     
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    "Doing a home invasion" sounds really odd to me. Perhaps "Committing a home invasion" or, even better, "invading your home".

    Other than that, I think this could be one of the more effective ones of late.
     
  22. Oleg Volk

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    Re-phrased version

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    How would it look if you changed DECIDE NOW for How Do You Know? Trying to "shout" from the page to trigger the OMG-Wadda-I-Do-? response is very difficult, but just making them think is the point.

    I'd also mod the image to get rid of the SWAT on the hat because there may be a very large segment of the audience that doesn't even know you can purchase such hats easily.

    I also might change the footer to "What happens if you're wrong".
     
  24. Herself

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    Oh! Oleg, that's got a lot more snap! I like it.

    Does anyone else want to take on the example cited above of the unfortunate officer serving a warrant the more usual way and getting shot for his troubles, or shall I? (Hint: police work is inherently dangerous. If that's a problem for you, consider another profession. The Bill of Rights is non-negotiable).

    --Herself
     
  25. Optical Serenity

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    I don't know ANY police officers (myself included) that have ever wanted citizens unarmed. At least not here in Georgia...but I've been all over the country and haven't seen it. For some reason people here are infatuated with cop-bashing...:rolleyes:

    Oleg, no offense, but what is your deal with these anti cop posters? Can you please point me to the articles and what not that show how this situation occurs everyday?

    Lets start telling people that ANY TIME a person is in uniform, they should question it. They should call 911, call the pentagon, CIA, the Associated Press, and the Interpol, and try to figure out if for sure this person is a police officer. In fact, people should carry around biometric readers in their wallets that prove you are a police officer? I don't get it...
     
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