I swear, I am going to stop looking up new load data - I just loaded up ~25 38 Spl loads, 4.9 gr Win 231 per the Lyman Pistol and Revolver Loading Handbook, Second Edition (1994). For some reason, I looked up the Hodgdon reloading site, and the max load for a 158 swc is 3.7 gr! What in the world has changed so dramatically that a load is dropped by over 2 grain? I will shoot them in a modern heavy bbl M10-10, and I have shot these loads for years with no problem. I know all about lawyering and changed formulations, but that is a 45% reduction - :banghead: