Howland937
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You and me both.rather be a bad shot then
You and me both.rather be a bad shot then
I took me a year to lean to break clay consistently. We talking 3-4 days a week and tens of thousands of shells. Ouch my shoulder hurts.Shooting is a ability / skill like playing the piano .
Some folks have the natural , God Given ability and some folks , like me , can sit at a piano all day long and never make music .
I can't play a musical instrument , sing a song or dance ... but the Lord blessed me with the ability to shoot ...
Ever since I was a little boy with a sling-shot ... BB gon or bow and arrow ... I could always hit what I aimed at .
I moved up to shotguns , rifles and handguns ... and it all came naturally ... My Dad said I had the "Knack" for it . Handguns were my shooting pride and joy , I competed in 3-Gun NRA Bullseye Match ( Indoor ) for 15 years .
I never had any formal training shooting and but ... did have a bunch of guitar lessons ... I wanted to play guitar so badly I could taste it ... but those were useless ... I don't have the God Given ability to play music and never will ... I still have my guitar but strumming a few chords is all I can do ...
I'm a shooter plain and simple and it came naturally !
Gary
Same here. I have gone months without shooting (back when I was married and raising a family) and could pick up a friend's pistol and outshoot them with it.Shooting is a ability / skill like playing the piano .
Some folks have the natural , God Given ability and some folks , like me , can sit at a piano all day long and never make music .
I can't play a musical instrument , sing a song or dance ... but the Lord blessed me with the ability to shoot ...
Ever since I was a little boy with a sling-shot ... BB gon or bow and arrow ... I could always hit what I aimed at .
I moved up to shotguns , rifles and handguns ... and it all came naturally ... My Dad said I had the "Knack" for it . Handguns were my shooting pride and joy , I competed in 3-Gun NRA Bullseye Match ( Indoor ) for 15 years .
I never had any formal training shooting and but ... did have a bunch of guitar lessons ... I wanted to play guitar so badly I could taste it ... but those were useless ... I don't have the God Given ability to play music and never will ... I still have my guitar but strumming a few chords is all I can do ...
I'm a shooter plain and simple and it came naturally !
Gary
My M41 has a much finer trigger than my Ruger MkIII Hunter, less pull weight and a cleaner break. However, I think I could drop the Ruger in a mud bath and it would still run, but the M41 is much more finicky and likes to FTF or FTE if the ammo isn't just right.I consider the S&W M-41 a practical choice. It is superior to an unmodified Ruger (various Marks) or Buckmark and well below the price of a Hammerli or Pardini
I'm a big fan of the High Standard Victor and Citations, but I'm not willing to put up with their magazine issues
I'm comfortable I can hit an adult-sized torso at 50 yards with most of my handguns, and at 25 yards hit the chest with all of them. I'm almost 70, eyes are going and I wear bifocals, but I practice regularly, albeit not as often as I'd like. I shot Distinguished Expert in my 20's in PPC as part of my prison's pistol team, and I used a stock 4" M66 (and I shot Service Revolver class). I also qualified expert in Small Arms when I was in the USAF in my 30's. The eyes are going, and I'm not quite as steady with my aim, but I've maintained muscle memory and procedure habits all through my years.I'm not at all a competitive shooter. Not even a good shooter anymore, really, due to declining hands and eyes. I used to be pretty decent.
FWIW, if a handgun fits my hands reasonably well and has an okay trigger, I can shoot it just fine. Maybe if it fits my hands VERY well and has a great trigger, I can shoot it a little better.
That's it. I have cheap handguns and expensive handguns. Doesn't seem to matter. A nice hand-fit and trigger get me up to whatever my personal best level of shooting is, and I can't shoot any better than that. Spending twice as much money doesn't help and doesn't matter.
Like a few others have said, rather than "training intensively" with a specific handgun, I shoot a variety of them. And predictably, can shoot most of them decently as a result.
I have a couple I like to rotate, depending on clothing mostly, but sometimes just because. One semiauto and one revolver. I know which one I'm carrying and I practice procedures frequently (drawing and aiming, with dry fire) although I practice instinctive shooting when at the range. I'm as comfortable with a revolver as I am a semiauto and shoot both equally accurately at distances of 15 yards or less, but better past that with the semiauto (the carry revolver is a snubby). Since I mix my rotational carry between a revolver and a semiauto, I feel equally competent with all my handguns, because they are all either revolvers or 1911's/BHP. I try to rotate what I take to the range to practice with each time or take a couple of each type. Since I reload, I always have a selection of any caliber/cartridge I shoot.Lots of good thoughts in this reply.
I hear of a carry gun “rotation”. I hear that they mix pistols and revolvers, and maybe other handguns. Get one, learn it, and be content. The money spent on different handguns and holsters, would be much better spent on ammunition and range time.
Kevin
Curious as to how you came up with this rather backwards logic. The trigger on the 1911 is a feature when it comes to good shooting.Unfortunately that fact leads many folks to the 1911, as it covers up a lot of poor trigger management habits
Teaching and working extensively with clients to break their bad trigger management habitsCurious as to how you came up with this rather backwards logic.
Poor trigger management does affect all platforms. The 1911 is just the crutch that many folks turn to to cover it up...a perfect example of the arrow vs. the archerThe trigger on the 1911 is a feature when it comes to good shooting.
Poor trigger management crosses over to every type of firearm.
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It is easy to slap through a sub-two 2lb 1911 trigger and still get good hits on a target. That same bad habit, if applied to many other platforms will result in misses. That is why shooting a DAO revolver improves your trigger management skills when shooting a 1911...but the reverse isn't true
I don't think people need to restrict themselves to owning only one pistol to achieve unconscious competence.Just one gun? how, to be content
None of that has anything to do with being a good or bad shot. If a person has decent trigger control and can see the sights and the target, they can be a good shot with any gun. But there's more to unconscious competence than being a good shot. In fact, being a good shot is just a very small part of it.but seriously One Gun… I rather be a bad shot then
The lighter and shorter the trigger, the more forgiving it is. It is certainly true that a person with bad trigger management will struggle with any firearm, but it's possible to get away with more if the trigger is short and light than you can with a trigger that is longer/stiffer.Poor trigger management crosses over to every type of firearm.
Sure it could, but with a very good grip, it might be possible to shoot through the disturbance. Try that with my .22LR SP101 revolver shooting DA and the result will be amusing to anyone watching. The DA trigger is about 13lbs and is very long. Trying to slap the trigger on that gun is just a non-starter.Slapping through a 2lb trigger on a 1911 means you hit the trigger stop with the force of the slap. That would/could disturb the muzzle and effect the shot.
That is the common fallacy from folks who think the 1911 trigger is the "Magic Bullet" to trigger management.A light trigger means you can press instead of slap with less force on the trigger and this disturb the muzzle less.
Roll Trigger! that sound RIGHT1911- Roll trigger or pull through trigger (Russian name in 1970s) has a lot of travel at the same weight. The shooter cant tell when the gun will fire. The trigger is squeezed without stopping.
I modified a Ruger Super Blackhawk in 44 mag with the Russian type trigger. Makes a world of difference, slow fire.
This is compared to the standard type that stacks weight till the shot breaks.
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Whats most important, sight alignment or trigger control?
A test was done, comparing trigger squeeze by machine, compared to human.
Same person & gun. The machine was the most accurate.
Why, humans tend to stop the trigger squeeze when sights move out of perfect alignment. Then restart.
Accurace is best when the trigger squeeze is 1 continues motion.
Trigger control. Anyone with decent vision and reasonably steady hands can master sight alignment in one lesson. Mastering trigger control takes constant practice.Whats most important, sight alignment or trigger control?
Also, recoil and report can cause issues. The brain really doesn't like super loud noises and abrupt motion in front of the eyes. So it tries to tell the eyes to close and the body to flinch away from the noise when it suspects it is about to occur. It can be difficult to overcome this instinctive reaction. Because it's reflexive, people often don't even realize they are doing it. They just wonder why they had the sights perfectly aligned on target and the shot went astray. They tend to blame the gun. A common flinch involves a blink before the flinch begins, then the actual motion, then the eyes open back up from the blink. Everything happens with the eyes closed so the shooter doesn't think anything happened at all.Why, humans tend to stop the trigger squeeze when sights move out of perfect alignment. Then restart.
I was not conscious of position, stance, grip, nor trigger control. I didn't even consciously hear the pistol fire; nor did I feel the recoil.