Conversation with a Convenience Store Clerk

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32winspl

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Hey Folks,
I was in a convenience store last night buying milk, eggs, and a pack of smokes. The tax on cigarettes has just been raised by $1.00/pack here in Wis. and the clerk mentioned that he thought our governor, Jim Doyle, is a jerk because their isn't a tax increase that the Gov dosen't embrace. I agreed with the Clerk, but told him that my disdain for the man stems from his twice vetoing Wisconsin's Concealed Carry Law. The clerk cocked his head and asked incredulously "You WANT people carrying concealed?" I very calmly said "Of course. When have you ever had to fear the intents and actions of law-abiding people?" He looked absolutely stunned and was silent. So I went on, "Criminals are already armed, and no amount of laws will change that. I could see the light of reason as it hit him. He slowly and thoughtfully said, "Wow, I never thought of that... I can't believe I never thought of that." I said, "I don't think the 2nd Amendment is about hunting at all, and not even so much about self-defence. It, like The Freedom of Speech, is about keeping our government honest. Two times, the Wis House and Senate passed this bill. It IS the will of the people. Gun control is about Control, not guns."
By this time, another customer had lined up, and it was time for me to go. We both said "See you later.", and we will. Next time, I'll learn and call him by his name. I'll even bet that he brings the topic up first. If this progresses well, I'll find out if he'd like to go shooting with me this Spring when the local range opens up again.
I am writing this because I was so surprised how easily this came up in conversation, and that "WE" may have gained a convert. Over the years, I've done this quite a number of times. I'm sure that some of you do this all the time. Some of you others should give it a try.
 
He slowly and thoughtfully said, "Wow, I never thought of that... I can't believe I never thought of that."

As incredible as it seems...there are a surprising number of people who haven't thought of it in those terms...and an even more surprising number who don't get it, even when it's spelled out. I think that they really, truly believe that a law will prevent the criminally-minded from breaking it.

Sad...
 
Great job! It seems a convenience store clerk would definitely like the ability of being able to defend him/her self.
 
"Great job! It seems a convenience store clerk would definitely like the ability of being able to defend him/her self."

if you worked in a convenience store, wouldn't you?
 
Good job. Its amazing just how small of a nudge can make that light go on in some people. In all his years, in all the times he's likely been nervous when a shady character came in his store at night, it never occurred to him that CC laws mean nothing to criminals. Its what's known as a DUH moment.

Haven't noticed you here before, 32winspl. Welcome, and I must say that I like your name. It isn't necessarily my favorite caliber but it's the caliber that my favorite gun that I own is chambered in.
 
1911Tuner
...and an even more surprising number who don't get it, even when it's spelled out.

You are exactly right, although these people sure don't need to carry a gun. The tragedy is that it is easier to be an anti than to make the effort to understand RKBA. :(
 
I brought up the same point with a pharmacist at Walgreens in Eau Claire.

He was carding me as I was buying decongestant (decongestant!) and I gave him my CCW... ( I thought it was my DL)

I pointed out that criminals don't care about the law....

But he was adamantly obtuse.

--Travis--
 
Awesome, dude

I'd think that since he works at a stop 'n rob that he'd have ample reason to think about survival. Would he be robbed and at the same time give thanks that only the perpetrator is armed?

Doyle is a real piece of work - he actually believes that WI should be a satellite of Chicago. It's rumored that he was once informed that Wisconsin goes further west than Madison but I'm sure to his ears that's utter non-sense.
 
A number of folks willfully won't get it. Which I find sad. I once ran into the objection "I don't want that much responsibility. I don't want the power of life and death in my hands."

I responded, "huh.... do you drive a car?"

I watched the wheels turn for a couple of seconds, and then she responded "Well, I just don't want that responsibility" and changed the subject. I let it go. She curtly cut me off and changed the subject because she absolutely understood the flaw in her logic, and knew exactly where I was going. She's no dummy. Oh well. Hopefully she'll think about it.
 
if you worked in a convenience store, wouldn't you?

I did when I was 19 and believe me, I carried. Definitely against company policy, but I was much more content to lose a $9/hr menial job than my life.

and an even more surprising number who don't get it, even when it's spelled out. I think that they really, truly believe that a law will prevent the criminally-minded from breaking it.

I've found those folks to be in the minority. Could be where I'm at, but most will acknowledge that truth, even if it doesn't immediately convert them to RKBA allies.
 
I had a similar experience talking to my boss's boss one day at lunch. I mentioned that Kennesaw, Georgia had a law requiring people to own guns and that this necessarily tended to discourage break-ins and that sort of thing. As we discussed this with another employee, this senior manager grasped for the first time in his life the logic of gun ownership's deterrence of crime.


And he didn't like it. After realizing that criminals did not want to break into houses in localities in which the occupants were likely to be armed, he sat silently for about 20 seconds. Then he said, "Thus causing crime to be artificially high elsewhere!"


He actually wasn't a dumb guy; I guess he was just raised wrong.
 
bravo, sir, bravo!
Enlightenment through education, by an informed and responsible individual.
Re-education that is...after they get done with government screwls...

GP
 
One resolution we all could make-get one convert this year AND take a couple persons to the ramge this year.

If you belong to a club sponsor:

1. bring you handgun "out to shoot nite'. Get em to dig the gun out of the sock drawer/closet. Ovver to disassemble/clean if needed. Show them how to do when needed.

2. Legislators/Media day. Invite them out to shoot (observe). Supply guns and ammo for those that need.

3. The the convenience store clerk , pharmacy tech (and pharmacist-mostly women now) , barber etc to the range. Let them shoot. Do NOT start on titanium 357.. 22 would be better.

Publish the above events in the local newspaper. Some citizens might not even know there is a club nearby.

I have been unable to get the leadership of the local club to buy into these ideas. I asked if the big trapshoot would be publicized in the newspaper (weekly) and was advised "the community dont need to know"--ONLY the ATA (American Trap Assn)??? HUH Dah?? YUK
 
I have been unable to get the leadership of the local club to buy into these ideas. I asked if the big trapshoot would be publicized in the newspaper (weekly) and was advised "the community dont need to know"--ONLY the ATA (American Trap Assn)??? HUH Dah?? YUK

That attitude is what will destroy our gun rights. Sad isn't it. We shouldn't have to hide something that is perfectly legal, and we shouldn't or else they will try to make it illegal soon.
 
you should give this to the clerk

A LITTLE GUN HISTORY



I Thought you might appreciate this . . .





In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953,
about20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up
and exterminated.
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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5
million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a
total of13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million
political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were ro unded up
and exterminated
------------------------------
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000
Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
----- -------------------------
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000
Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.


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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one
millioneducated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up andexterminated.
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Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century
because of gun control: 56 million.
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It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced
by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by
their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more
than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in:





List of 7 items: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent
Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent Australia-wide, armed
robberi es are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!





In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up
300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in,
the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!





While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in
armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in
the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their
prey is unarmed.





There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of
the ELDER LY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how
public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense
was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The
Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.





You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians
disseminating this information. Guns in the hands of honest citizens
save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect
only the law-abiding citizens.





Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!


The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind
them of this history lesson.





With guns, we are 'citizens'.


Without them, we are 'subjects'.


During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they
knew


most Americans w ere ARMED!





If you value your freedom, Please spread this anti-gun control
message to all of your friends.
 
Here's the same information in a less inflammatory format.

A LITTLE GUN HISTORY

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents were rounded up and killed.
------------------------------
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5
million Armenians were rounded up and killed.
------------------------------
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a
total of13 million Jews and others were rounded up and killed.
------------------------------
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents were rounded up and killed.
------------------------------
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians were rounded up and killed.
----- -------------------------
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000
Christians were rounded up and killed.
------------------------------
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one
million educated people were rounded up and killed.
-----------------------------
People rounded up and killed in the 20th Century due in part to gun control, somewhere around 56 million.

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It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. Has gun control worked? The first year results are now in:

Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent.

Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent.

Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent.

In the state of Victoria, homicides with firearms are up
300 percent.

Apparently law-abiding citizens turned their guns in (640,381 or so) but it appears that criminals did not.

While figures over the previous 25 years had shown a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, current data suggests that there has been a substantial, measurable increase in firearms-related crime.

Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how
public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns held by law abiding citizens.
 
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