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qwert, sometimes I'm a "from the ground up" kind of guy. Right now I'm going to google the nutrition facts of MREs ;) never done so before...

I'm getting in over my head with the following statements, but based on what I know about the military's stance of nutrition during basic training and the like, I wouldn't imagine MREs are the paragon of survival nutrition.

Eating anything in sufficient amounts will keep you alive, and if you're alive and really well trained you will do fine...me thinks the bean counters think this way. On top of that, nutrition is one of the most obfuscated, diverticulated fields I know of, and "balanced" means a bajillion different things out there and every nutritionist I've ever seen leaves very little room for ambiguity or interpretation...

I appreciate your point-of-view. I happen to probably know more about nutrition than I do every other danged thing in the kit, so that is something I was willing to kind of dive into explaining. The proof is in the pudding, but if I'm eating a deficient amount of calories each day I'd much prefer to FEEL more full and not have diarrhea, amount and weight of food items being equal...

Keep in mind also that fat has 9 calories per gram and carbs and protein only contain 4 each.
 
You go off on maneuvers for 2 weeks, you're gonna think "does the military supplement fiber". . . .

Right now, though, I'm thinking "That statement would have been much more clear with an emoticon following it."

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qwert, from wiki:

Some of the early MRE main courses were not very palatable, earning them the nicknames "Mr. E" (mystery),[12] "Meals Rejected by Everyone",[13] "Meals, Rarely Edible",[14] "Meals Rejected by the Enemy", "Morsels, Regurgitated, Eviscerated", "Meal, Ready to Excrete", "Materials Resembling Edibles", and even "Meals Rejected by Ethiopians"[15]. Some meals got their own nicknames. For example, the frankfurters, which came sealed in pouches of four, were referred to as "the four fingers of death".[13] Although quality has improved over the years, many of the nicknames have stuck. MREs were often called "Three Lies for the Price of One" - it's not a Meal, it's not Ready, and you can't Eat it.[16]

Their low dietary fiber content could cause constipation in some so they were also known as "Meals Refusing to Exit", [17] "Meals Refusing to Excrete",or "Massive Rectal Expulsions". While the myth that the gum found in MREs contains a laxative is false, the crackers in the ration pack do contain a higher than normal vegetable content to facilitate egestion.

A good laugh as well as some good info...

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The one on the right actually appears to have high fat and fiber content.
 
I've eaten a bunch of Civil Defense issued C-Rations and liked'm. Of course I never ate'm exclsively. I have not enjoyed the MREs except for the deserts.
 
Ok I looked up MREs (same site) they atre limited for use of 20days and they've fixed most of the problems except palatibility. In your quote you will note that the crackers have an emoilent in them to act as a laxative(taking the place of fiber) I would like to point out that if you're given a balanced meal and only eat part of it then you won't be in balance.

In a bug out situation I fail to see how it could last more than a week unless S@#$ is really bad. then it would be a survival situation.

Further fiber absorbs water which is not a plus when bugging out(neithier is having to go regulary) in a situation like this you will already be using more water than normal from stress and exertion I've read your posts and you do have extensive knowledge in fitness and nutrition so I won't bore you with calculations of water needs but I think we can both agree that as you need to carry water it should be used sparingly
 
Yeah, fair enough. Thanks for the compliment :)

I think we may be overthinking the fiber thing...I personally know that the optimal amount of fiber (IE, not trying to use it as some kind of panacea) helps me with energy and such...as well as making potty time more, well, manageable. Enough on that...

Feel free to discuss the water issue, though; do you carry water in your BOB? What do you feel about calculations? I'm a "more is better" kind of guy but I would say 2-3 liters per day under circumstances of moderate exertion, perhaps a gallon or so in a really trying situation. Not talking about being in the desert or anything though.

In a bug out situation I fail to see how it could last more than a week unless S@#$ is really bad. then it would be a survival situation.

Well, I would hope it wouldn't turn into a survival situation (I understand your distinction) of that nature...but we can't be sure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucomannan

I'm considering that instead of psyllium, mainly because it is a hyper-soluble fiber that would be much easier (and more palatable) to mix than psyllium. Take that with a snickers bar and you have 5 hours of energy instead of 2.
 
Well, I am a fan of basal water req. but assuming that plenty of water is availible at my destination I pack pretty light I currently carry two 1 quart canteens and a 2quart canteen this of course weighs more than my rifle. That being said for my weight(190lbs) thats less than 2 days for me even with no movement to keep me in peak health if I'm eating pure dehydrated rations. adding in sweating I figure I could survive 3 days(though be in severe dehydration) if i was in an accident say and couldn't move.

I'd like to carry more but it really starts to get heavy even in a backpack. my bug out bag is basically the water, a couple knives, Mg fire starter, matches, a bic, 1911 3 clips, a .30-.30 and box of ammo
some trail mix, jerky, dried fruit, 2 cans of peaches, 4 cans of soup(not condensed )and a couple cans of tuna and a can opener. a led penlight, a regular flashlight extra batteries, extra socks, underwear, half a roll of toliet paper, and a jacket and blanket. and I probably have some pencils and pens.

I'd like to add a hatchet, some water purification tabs(or bleach), a change of clothes and maybe some MREs(since I've been reading about them)

My plan though is if I have to leave it's a major emergency so I figure traveling quickly and getting out.

I'm looking for a comfortable pack to carry it in now it's a backpack from school and a web belt with pouches
 
I'm not a survivalist, but I do believe in being prepared. First problem I see with this list is you need to refine your scenario. Are you withdrawing to a "safe location" via vehicle or are you escaping and evading on foot? Different circumstances equal different needs. The second problem is your mind set. A number of your items are creature comfort items and not necessities, i.e. the Axe Body Spray, Olive Oil and multiple light sources. If you are escaping to "safe location", first make sure you are safe in that location. You need to own the land or plan to link up with relatives or friends that own land. If you are withdrawing to a "safe location", you need to cache supplies and tools at that location. If you plan to link up with family or friends make sure they are in complete agreement with this idea. Then plan to invest some time and money helping them plan/prepare for your arrival. Talk with your emergency host and see what their needs would be to help you. What skills can you learn to make yourself a valued asset to your host? When Uncle Joe's children all come home to escape a catastrophe, he may not look kindly on a nephew dropping in with 2-3 mouths to defend, feed, and support unless he is expecting you and you have deposited supplies or bring skills with you.

Guessing that you plan to with draw by vehicle to a "safe location", you will need to pack 2 bags per person. The first bag being a medium to small back pack that carries all your items for an escape by foot. The second bag would be a larger duffle bag like container with items for to pack in the vehicle that you are prepared to abandon if you have to abandon the vehicle.

That being said, let's see what we can do.




SHELTER
3 Contractor Bags The bags tear too easily. Swap this item for a light US military issue poncho that can be a ground cloth, a coat, or a sleeping bag. I would also include a US military issue poncho liner.
Windbreaker (recommendations?)
2p. Under armor or long johns (recommendations?)
4 Socks
4 Hand warmers (maybe?) Drop this item.
Gloves (recommendation?)Two pair’s gloves, one pair for warmth and one pair for hand protection.

TOOLS
You need to add to this a good quality pocket knife and a good quality sheath knife.
Compass Get a good quality similar to a Silva Ranger with an internal mirror. Then drop the signal mirror, the compass can do double duty.
Maps
3 Microlights Why three? Get a good quality AA Pen Light with spare batteries. Remember light is not your friend when you are trying to E&E.
Radio (what kind?) A small hand crank self generating kind as the batteries will never be dead.
3 Folding razors Why?
Romisen RC-G2 1xAA LED Drop item as redundant to AA Pen Light.
Folding shovel
Wire saw or other compact saw (what kind?)
2 Sporks
Hammer/Nails (What kind?) I might carry a multi tool with a hammer head, nail puller, pry bar,hatchet head; but no hammer & nails.
Can opener Military P38
Screwdriver
EOD breacher bar wrapped with Para cord Drop in favor of Multi Tool.
Needle/threat

FOOD
Olive oil Drop, you’re not going to be cooking extensively.
Protein source - powders, tuna, beef jerky Maybe some protein or energy bars, but no mix-up protein drinks.
MREs A very good idea. One MRE per day will sustain you for quite a while.
Psyllium fiber Stick with the MRE's.
Sodium Salt?
Coffee
Seasoning

FIRE
3 Lighters (what kind?) Drop, they crack on impact and drain fluid.
3 boxes Waterproof matches Store these in a plastic waterproof box and if you really feel the need for a whistle, these can be purchased with a built-in whistle.
Tinder (25% steel wool, 25% vaseline, 50% dryer lint)
Magnesium starter
Metal pot
Lighter fluid Drop, it's a pain to carry and eats up plastic's when spilled.

H2O
Water purification tabs
Container (what kind?) Plastic 1 quart canteens, two per person.
H2O (how much? worth taking?) Two quarts per person.

DEFENSE
50 rounds 9mm NATO FMJ 9mm is ok, but the most prevalent handgun ammunition in the US is .38 Special. I would carry a 4" barreled .357 adjustable sight stainless steel revolver. It uses .38 or .357 ammo and can be used for hunting small game as well as defense. I would carry 50 rounds of .38 Special semi wad cutters for hunting and backup defense rounds and 24 rounds of .357 125 grain JHP's for defense. I would carry the gun in a hip holster loaded with 6 of the 24 defense rounds.
20 rounds #3 buck, 20 ga. I would drop the 20 gauge in favor of a 12 gauge. My choice would be a 12 ga pump similar to the Remington 870 Super Magnum with a 20" barrel. True you do not need the 3.5' shells, but this gives you the flexibility to use any 12 ga ammo you can resupply with. I would carry 25 rounds of 00 Buckshot, 10 rounds of rifled slugs, and 5 rounds of 12 ga. flares. This package will allow you to drop the flare gun too.
10 hollow point 20 ga slugs (copper?) Change to 12 ga, see above.

SIGNAL
5 Flares Drop for 5 12 ga flares, see above.
Signal mirror Drop, replaced by mirrored compass.
Air horn (what kind?) Why?
Whistle (what kind?) Why, but replaced by match box if really needed.

FOOD GATHERING/HUNTING
20 rounds 9mm Subsonic (what kind?) Replace with 50 rounds .38 Special 158 gr. semi wad cutters.
20 rounds #7.5 20 gauge Replace with 25 each 12 ga rounds and you may want to swap to #6 shot for better penetration if you have to rely on you hunting ammo for defensive purposes.
5 Pre-made snares (what kind?) Drop these, Survival trapping is a skill that takes years to learn.
Slingshot (maybe? what kind?) Drop this unless you have plenty of free time to practice.
2 Fishing setup(s) (what kind?) May be optimistic, but several light weight rigs of line sinker and hook can be packed in tin mint box. They take up little space or weight. Use a limb cut off a tree for a pole.
CHEAP 20 gauge youth model with barrel off for portability, screw on as needed (anyone know a brand that is decent and goes for <$60 used?) Drop this in favor of the 12 ga. pump for availability of ammo resupply and versatility.

1ST AID ETC
Snake kit (what kind?) Drop, not needed.
20 Benadryl
Rubbing alcohol (or what?)
Nail clip
Potassium iodide
Cotton
Epi-pen
Bandages
25 Ibuprofen
Antibiotic ointment
Antibiotic meds (what kind?) Unless you have a prescription, forget them.
What else?? Two Ace bandages with safety pins.

MISC
ID
Cheese-cloth
Fuel replacement (for cars...need a brand-name for this, Wal-mart used to carry it, gets you about 15-20 miles extra on empty)
If you are planning to withdraw by vehicle to a "safe location", you need to know how much fuel it will take to arrive at you destination. Plan to keep that much on hand at all times and plan to rotate it every 90 days to keep it fresh.
20 Caffeine tabs
Sunglasses
Sun block (what kind?)
Bug spray/wipes (what kind?) If you drop the perfumes and body sprays the need for bug sparys/wipes is reduced. Bugs are attracted to the flowery scents.
Hat
5 Cigars
Shemagh
"Axe" body spray Drop
Deodorant Drop
Sharpening stone
Rope (what kind, how much)
Para cord (how much?)
5 Batteries for radio and light
Waterproof paper
2 Pens
Sharpie
Toothbrush
Floss
5 Candles (what kind?)
Small Bible
Small Constitution Move to cashe location.
Compact manuals: navigation, medical, wild foods, field dressing Move to cache location.
Cards Move to cache location.
2 bars Soap
Monocular (what kind?) I agree with the poster who said drop for binoculars.
2 Ear plugs
$50 My best guess is you are about $950 shy and it should be in $10 notes.
List of items in bag


Now on to your cache. You need to store extra weapons and ammunition, both defensive and hunting, in your cache. I would definitely include a .22 rim fire and several bricks of .22LR cartridges. Store tools and hunting/fishing supplies in your cache. Anything bulky or heavy that you would need or like to have, you need to store in your cache.

These are just my opinions based on 50+ years of hunting, fishing, military service, and fire/rescue service. However opinions are like a*****es, everybody has one. You need to tailor your bug out bag to your needs and skills.

PS I also failed to mention, a pair of high quality lace-up leather hiking boots. If you have to move on foot through rough terrain or urban debris, there is no substitute.
 
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These are what I went with for the same problems.

Windbreaker (recommendations?)
The Snugpak Sleeka is what I chose.

Originally I had a Flecktarn gore tex camo parka in my Get Home Bag and it's what I used for hunting and camping (it was cheap and it worked), but I heard good things about the Snugpak jackets and I'm glad I tried them.

http://www.meanandgreen.com/articles/review-snugpak-sleeka-reversible-elite.php

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Snugpak Sleeka


2p. Under armor or long johns (recommendations?)

Under Armor is a good brand, it's fairly inexpensive and it's certainly warm enough (unless you're going some place REALLY cold).


I just have one or two spares, 4 pairs of socks is kind of overkill.

4 Hand warmers (maybe?)

I'd skip them, that's what gloves and a fire's for.

Gloves (recommendation?)

Just regular nomex flight gloves or Damascus Interceptor X Gloves

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Damascus Interceptor X Gloves

(They come in Black, Green or Tan)

http://www.actiongear.com/cgi-bin/tame.exe/agcatalog/level4c.tam?xax=28374&M5COPY%2Ectx=30649&M5%2Ectx=30649&M2%5FDESC%2Ectx=Gloves&level3%2Ectx=level3c%2Etam&BC3%2Ectx=Clothing&BC4%2Ectx=Gloves&backto=%2Fagcatalog%2Flevel3c%2Etam

3 Microlights

Why three? Why not just one or two (one primary and one for backup)?

Radio (what kind?)

Some GPS Systems are now built with a radio, so you can combine the two.

Or if you want a shortwave radio Grundig makes a Mini-300 that's small and lightweight.

Grundig Mini-300 Shortwave Radio
http://www.amazon.com/Grundig-M300Y-Mini300-Handheld-Shortwave/dp/B0002AHS44/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1218414434&sr=8-1


3 Folding razors

If you just HAVE TO shave (You don't have to shave you know? Just grow a beard), why not carry and use an old style razor where you can replace the blades and then just carry some spare blades?

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Gillette Super Speed Safety Razor

You can them on Ebay for less than $10 and you'll never have to buy another razor again (just blades).

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?GetResult&itemid=230279282744&itemsiteid=0&itemstate=1&query=ANTIQUE+GILLETTE+SUPER+SPEED+SAFETY+RAZOR&sibeleafcat=35989&sim=y&ssPageName=VINS%3ASIM


Wire saw or other compact saw (what kind?)

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The Saber Cut Saw works well.

It also comes in this kit.

Ultimate Survival Deluxe Tool Kit $57.50
http://www.staffpatrol.com/products/emergencyfirstaid.htm



Hammer/Nails (What kind?)

Skip the hammer, just use the butt of a hatchet and then that tool doubles as a way of cutting firewood or as a last ditch defense tool.

I'd get two kind of nails (carpenter nails and roofing nails)

FIRE
3 Lighters (what kind?)

I'd just buy Bics that are orange in color (easy to spot if you drop it on the ground in the dark or into brush).

They're cheap and they work.

Container (what kind?)

I use a Camelbak style bladder that's part of my pack for hunting and hiking.

H2O (how much? worth taking?)

At least a half gallon on you (it gets HOT here) and then 5 gallons in your vehicle at the very least.

Air horn (what kind?)

I'd skip it, firing one of your guns or using either the flare gun, the whistle, your flashlight and/or your signal mirror is more than enough to get someones attention.

Whistle (what kind?)

The Jet Scream works well, it's part of that kit above with the SaberCut Saw.

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Slingshot (maybe? what kind?)

I just have a fold up Crossman type that works well, the arm guard folds out.

It looks like this.

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MRE's and/or canned goods would be a better food source than trying to hunt small game when everyone else might be trying to do the same thing, but it would certainly work for small game. I just generally use 00 Buckshot instead of buying marbles or steel shot.

2 Fishing setup(s) (what kind?)

1 should be enough and there are alot of small collapsible fishing poles and reels out there.

I'm NOT saying to buy this one (I'm not much of a fisherman), just including it to give you an idea of whats out there and how small they'll fold up or collapse.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_sg?url=search-alias%3Dsporting&field-keywords=mini+fishing+pole

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Dsporting&field-keywords=collapsible+fishing+pole&x=15&y=18


Antibiotic meds (what kind?)

Penicillen and Tetracycline are two of the most common wide sceptrum antibiotics out there. Just make sure that you actually need to use it before taking it, otherwise your body will become used to them and they won't work as well when you actually do have an infection that you need to fight.

Both are available online.

http://www.ordermymeds.net/buy_penicillin_vk_online.htm

http://www.discount-onlinepharmacy.com/tetracycline/tetracycline.html


"Axe" body spray

Why not just use 'No Rinse' body wash?

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http://www.amazon.com/No-Rinse-Body-Wash-bottle/dp/B00029PB1W

That'll keep you clean and then just slap on some deoderant so you don't offend after you start to sweat.

Small Bible
Small Constitution

Since you already know and are familar with the concepts that are contained in both books, woudn't it be better to put more food, water, ammo and medical gear in their place?

Monocular (what kind?)
I went with a small fold up pair of binocluars instead, (better for actually seeing with), these are what I went with.

Steiner 10X26 Safari Binoculars / They fold up
http://www.binoculars.com/binoculars/hunting-binoculars/steiner10x26safariprofessionalbinoculars.cfm


However County Comm has a decent monocular.

http://countycomm.com/optics.htm
 
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9mm is ok, but the most prevalent handgun ammunition in the US is .38 Special.

Agreed, and I think a .38/.357 revolver and .38/.357 carbine are a great combo. The Marlin 1894C is very compact and reliable.
 
Guys,

Thanks a lot for the suggestions. To the fellow who suggested better knives and different guns, that would be nice but I really can't swing that right now.

I carry a very sharp and serviceable knife, and the folding razors I'm thinking of are from countycomm (google it) and would essentially do "folder duty"...

Ditto on the gun - already have a 9mm carry piece, so I can't really upgrade to a 357 just for the kit.

But, the other suggestions are all great.

One clarification, Schutzen, is that the olive oil would be consumed for calories (yeah, this is safe and effective if unorthodox) - not for cooking.

1 gram of fat has 9 calories, as opposed to the 4 found in a gram of either protein or carbohydrates. Saves weight (obviously you can't survive solely off fat, but gram-for-gram a bit of fat goes a longer way).

This thread is really getting ripe, I mean that in a good way; I have to print it off and go at it with a highlighter and a Bic pen!
 
Snake venom attacks the lymphatic system. your best bet is a constricting band, the snake's head & a quick trip to the Hospital
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Not exactly...there are three (or 4 depending on your point of view...) basic "types" of venom:

Hemotoxic venoms act on the heart and cardiovascular system. (although some argue that there is a specific cardiotoxic venom)
Neurotoxic venom acts on the nervous system and brain.
Cytotoxic venom has a localized action at the site of the bite.

Generally speaking, the type of venom used by Vipers is hemotoxic, while that associated with others (elapids, cobras) tend to be neurotoxic. Both seem to have some cytoxic activity. There also seems to be some limited neurotoxic effects with vipers and hemotoxic effects with the others.

The use of a constricting band, or tourniquet is no longer recommended. The one exception is if bitten by an elapid or sea snake, in which case a compression dressing (such as an ACE wrap applied as if you were wrapping a sprained ankle) to the extremity may be useful. Even if used, the compression dressing may cause increase chance of local damage while preventing or lessening systemic damage. Splinting a bitten extremity (ensuring that if swelling occurs, the bindings for the splint do not become overly tight and cut off circulation) and keeping th extremity as immobile as possible is the current recommendation. Other "older" recommendations that have fallen out of favor are "cutting and sucking" and application of ice or alcohol. Along with trying to keep calm, getting to the hospital with the snake, for ID purposes, is a good recommendation.

In general, the recommendation for getting a good first-aid book, or taking a course and intermittant refreshers, is a good one. It is a skill that will serve you well both in everyday life and if the SHTF.
 
I have a new addition to my BOB. An immersion heater. I already use a German mess kit for heating food and boiling water, but i recently added this little gem. Small, w/ about 18inches of cord, if you can find a plug that is. I already tested it in a canteen cup using my trucks inverter on a Chicken Ramen pack. it took about 5 minutes to boil the water, and it worked great. I'll probably add a short extension cord as well to make it easier to use.
 
New RadioShack item perfect for BOB's; a solar-powered chargeable LED keychain light. A whopping $4.99, part number 63-188. Don't have to worry about batteries if you store this thing away for a while.
 
Ok, here are my thoughts and suggestions. I have more time in the woods doing this sort of thing than most, for what it's worth.

SHELTER
3 Contractor bags
Windbreaker (recommendations?) Go with a natural color that is also waterproof. All the big brands make a lightweight waterproof breathable shell
2p. Under armor or long johns (recommendations?) What is your climate? If you live in the south, you probably don't need this at all. Otherwise, make sure it is a quality product that will wick moisture and dry quickly (because if you are really bugging out, you may have to exert yourself without stopping to remove the undergarments.
4 Socks You don't need 4 socks. Take an extra pair and whatever is on your feet. You can wear one pair while you dry the other.
4 Hand warmers (maybe?) Ditch the handwarmers. You are most likely going to have to make a small fire when you stop in order to get warm/cook/dry wet clothing/boost morale, so let the fire do the warming. When you are moving you won't need them.
Gloves (recommendation?) Unless the temperature is dropping below about 15 degrees F, you shouldn't need heavy gloves, a basic, comfortable work-glove should do the trick while maintining dexterity. Wear a glove that is too heavy and your hands will just sweat.

Get a big polythelene sheet. It is cheap, small, and compact. Also, some cordage.

TOOLS
Compass
Maps
3 Microlights Lights are a luxury, and in an emergency (the kind you are preparing for by packing ammunition) are often a liability. You will only need to use them intermittently and for very short periods of time. A single microlight will do just fine.
Radio (what kind?) Get a cheap multiband radio. You can get ones that will receive international broadcasts as well as NOAA updates and are the size of an old FM walkman
3 Folding razors Razors are good, but make sure you include at least one sturdy knife and small sharpening stone. You will use the knife for everything from splitting wood to skinning game.
Romisen RC-G2 1xAA LED Ditch the LED, or the Microlights, you won't need both
Folding shovel Go with a folding Trowel. As a single person, you won't be digging any fighting positions, and even catholes are more for courtesy than necessity. You will need to dig to make a Dakota Firehole (google it), as it is probably the most efficient, and stealthy way to make a fire, and the trowel will be more than adequate, though if you have a good knive, that will work too
Wire saw or other compact saw (what kind?)Don't get a wire saw. They are neat, but break very quickly, trust me. If a wire saw is all you have, make sure you build an old-style frame for it that will help prevent the blade from flexing. Otherwise you will likely only get to make a couple of cuts before the blade breaks due to fatigue. You can purchase survival saws that are basically chainsaw blades with handles (I think someone posted one earlier in this thread. They hold up
2 Sporks 1 of everything redundant. A safety net is nice, but a spork isn't exactly a life or death item. Do you plan on carrying all this stuff?
Hammer/Nails (What kind?) Absolutely not! You won't be buildign for a while. if you are on the run you won't be able to afford the extra weight or the time to build. If society has deteriorated to the point where you are building long-term structures, that sort of thing should be easy to come by.
Can opener Make it a multitool and you can knock off the screwdriver too.
Screwdriver
EOD breacher bar wrapped with paracord You need Paracord, but a good knife should do the job of the breacher bar and others as well. If you find yourself having to breach structures, alone, by force, just throw a rock through a window and climb in.
Needle/threat Throw in a few fishooks as they take up almost no space

Bic Lighter!

FOOD
Olive oil
Protein source - powders, tuna, beef jerky
MREs
Psyllium fiber
Sodium
Coffee
Seasoning

I would pack a couple energy bars to sustain an initial run, a single MRE stripped down to the bare essentials for an emergency, and some dry foodstuffs for preparation as time allows. Freeze dried items are best as you can simply add water and eat if cooking isn't practical. Some sodium is important, but your body can get by with very little salt intake. Ditch the olive oil, it will make you sick if you just try to eat it, and MRE's are already plenty rich enough.

FIRE
3 Lighters (what kind?) One butane lighter, it will last a long time and you have redundancy in the items below
3 boxes Waterproof matches One Box
Tinder (25% steel wool, 25% vaseline, 50% dryer lint) Just buy a couple hexamine tablets, they are very cheap, and work not only as tinder, but as a fuel source to heat water, etc. They will do a much better job, and you can throw a couple hexamine tablets, some matches, and a striker in a film cannister
Magnesium starter Good tool, but you might as well not bother if you are going to have a lighter and matches
Metal pot Too big and bulky. If you have to carry something, go with a metal cup, maybe a Sierra Cup, as it will be big enough to cook in, but small and light
Lighter fluid Dont' bother, it is more likely leak and ruin your food/water/clothing than to be necessary, especially with hexamine.

H2O
Water purification tabs
Container (what kind?) I just keep 2 liters of bottled water, it doubles as a container and as water. But I live in NC where water is easy to come by. If you are in the deser, obviously, you will need more. Water bottles are abandoned all over the place, it shouldn't be hard to collect addional containers if it becomes necessary.
H2O (how much? worth taking?)

DEFENSE
50 rounds 9mm NATO FMJ Might as well go with hollowpoints. I would also only take loaded magazines.
20 rounds #3 buck, 20 ga.
10 hollow point 20 ga slugs (copper?)

SIGNAL
5 Flares If you are running away (hence the BOB) then flares are not going to help you as you will either be running from the law, or society has temporarily collapsed
Signal mirror Usefull only as a shaving device if you are really bugging out
Air horn (what kind?) You have guns right? They are louder than any airhorn
Whistle (what kind?) If you have room for a whistle, go for it, but see above.

FOOD GATHERING/HUNTING
20 rounds 9mm Subsonic (what kind?) 9mm subsonic is still loud fired out of a pistol. You might as well carry a few extra regular 9 mil rounds and some snare wire.
20 rounds #7.5 20 gauge
5 Pre-made snares (what kind?) Make sure you have extra snare wire, it goes quick
Slingshot (maybe? what kind?) dont' bother, your snares will do the work for you if you place them right. Unless you are a slignshot guru, I guarantee you will waste days missing that squirrel.
2 Fishing setup(s) (what kind?)
CHEAP 20 gauge youth model with barrel off for portability, screw on as needed (anyone know a brand that is decent and goes for <$60 used?)

1ST AID ETC
Snake kit (what kind?) A razor and a suction device are probably all that you will be able to get use out of
20 Benadryl
Rubbing alcohol (or what?) no alcohol, go with betadine or somethign more effective.
Nail clip
Potassium iodide
Cotton buy some curlex, it is cheap and surves several purposes
Epi-pen
Bandages Purchase an Ace Wrap, and a military bandage
25 Ibuprofen
Antibiotic ointment
Antibiotic meds (what kind?) Cipro, as it cures most stomach ailments (which is what you are most likely to need antibiotics for.
What else??

A small wilderness survival manual/ book on Ditch Medicine

MISC
ID
Cheese-cloth
Fuel replacement (for car...need a brand-name for this, wal-mart used to carry it, gets you about 15-20 miles extra on empty)
20 Caffeine tabs
Sunglasses
Sunblock (what kind?) Ditch the sunblock and wear a boonie hat (also helps camoflage)
Bug spray/wipes (what kind?)
Hat
5 Cigars
Shemagh Great in the desert, but aren't typically worn outside the middle east/africa because their usefullness is limited to that sort of climate.
"Axe" body spray It will only attract bugs, take up space, and make you easier to 'sniff out'
Deodorant won't help you survive
Sharpening stone
Rope (what kind, how much) 550 cord is almost perfect for what you need, don't bother with heavy rope as how often do you really NEED to rappel off that cliff?
Para cord (how much?)
5 Batteries for radio and light
Waterproof paper
2 Pens How about 1 Sharpie and a couple pieces of paper? Do you plan on writing a dissertation or keeping a journal? Do you really need to do those things?
Sharpie
Toothbrush Another luxury, break off a young twig and use the broken end, works fine.
Floss Floss is actually really handy, though less for flossing than for other things.
5 Candles (what kind?) Light is a luxury, though a candle can help get a fire lit. Ditch 4 of them if not all.
Small Bible
Small Constitution
Compact manuals: navigation, medical, wild foods, field dressing
Cards
2 bars Soap Another luxury, people survived for thousands of years before soap was discovered
Monocular (what kind?)
2 Ear plugs Go for it as long as you don't try to put them in before you get in a fight. You won't have enough ammunition to do any noticable damage.
$50
List of items in bag


Are you planning on carrying this? Have you put it together yet and how much does it weigh?
 
Hi all,

Changed the concept from "bug-out bag" to "prepareness-oriented man-purse." :)

Basically I took out the longer-term stuff, assuming I'll be carrying my weapon and a reload, so no ammo either. Here is the final list, all of which I'm carrying in it right now.

I got an Engineer's bag, apparently in use by the US army. Cost me $30, it's very very tough canvas-type material with two main compartments and a lot of pouches. I divided all these items into three baggies, roughly based on "first aid," "tools/fire-starting," and "other."

My screwy digital scale says 6.4 pounds for everything, including the weight of the bag, some pens/pencils, and some paper for school but it feels more like 4.5 to me.

Small Nalgene container (mini-shampoo bottle size)
Mini-duct tape roll
Caffeine pills
30 ft 500 para cord
Nicotine gum (replacing the cigars, heh heh...quit smoking)
4 lighters
Chapstick
Cheap stainless knife, all-metal and small
Toothbrush
Diphenhydramine
Polysporin
Columbia multitool
Tinder (dryer lint, vaseline, steel wool in that order)
Lensatic compass
Bandages (pads and band-aids)
Arnica tabs (they work)
1 cup cashews
Ibuprofen
Loperamid (anti-diarrheal)
Baking soda
Clear zinc spf 45
Floss
2 p38 can openers
CR123a batt (goes in my EDC light)
playing cards
matches
waterproof matches
diamond/steel sharpening stone
octagon soap
2 condoms
2 bandanas
bug spray
ear plugs
microlight (attached to a zipper)
spork
emergency blanket
water purification tabs
whistle
superglue
sharpie
copper wire
mag fire starter
safety pins
aluminum foil (small amount)
notepads
flash drive (more for school)

Sorry the list is poorly organized.
 
One more thing. There's room for all the books and notebooks I need to take to school in one day, and the bag is fairly compact.
 
Good list. Sounds similar to the tool bags I have in each car.
I keep a square of drop cloth as emergency tentage, though. Also a roll of fishing line for multiple purposes and a few hooks, floats, and jigs for the obvious purposes. I also keep a few extra space blankets because I always wind up giving them away.
One note: Careful with the unlaquered steel wool - I've had the stuff light off if it gets damp in its container.
 
if you feel the need to carry antibiotics, next time you are at the doctor ask for a prescription. both tetracycline and penicillin vk are on the WalMart $4 list. as long as you have a good reason and don't seem too goofy, most doctors would probably accommodate you. no reason to pay insane Internet prices.

there seems to be a lot of controversy over just what the proper treatment for snake bite is. on TV the other day, I saw a herpetologist suggesting a snake bite kit should always be carried in snake areas. she said it could have saved her a lot of trouble when she got bit by a fer de lance. granted few of us are going to be bitten by a fer de lance, so YMMV.

My guess is most of the time the proper course of action for dealing with poisonous snake bite is to be calm, not move around and have someone else get you to a place you can be treated. Since this post deals with unusual circumstances, that course of action may not be available, and other options might need to be pursued.

Keep in mind that in the US very few snakebites are lethal, typically only a handful each year. Some of that is due to treatment, but mostly it is because most poisonous snake bites in the US don't involve a lethal dose of venom. Sometimes they involve no venom injection at all.
 
"Axe" body spray? Seriously?
Just becuase you're bugging out doesn't mean you won't meet up with an amorous, nubile female. Or her mother. :D

Good revised list. Many of us (me) have a BOB lacking in many areas, and only carrying guns, ammo, cash, flashlight and a few other bare essentials. Your list is quite inclusive and prepares for a variety of situations.

Of course, as Katrina taught us, those with guns can prey on those without guns.
 
Thanks guys! I'm quite happy with this revised list. Frankly I don't even think about it because it's so light and easy to carry, which is nice.

I carry concealed where possible (student), so that eliminates the need for any kind of weapon in the bag IMO. Yeah, a youth Pardner with the forearm bolt removed would be great, as well as doubling the weight of the bag :p

One note: Careful with the unlaquered steel wool - I've had the stuff light off if it gets damp in its container.

Go up in flames?!
 
Two other thoughts. The shoulder bag is a nice bag for people who carry 4-5 o clock concealed as you can wear it well out of the line of motion of drawing the weapon.

Also, preparing really well for a few situations seems better than preparing half-way for a lot. For example I don't have to worry about snow blindness, etc. here in NC this season, so why carry precautions against it? I am sure if I am in such an area I will have ample time to get the necessary supplies.
 
http://www.amazon.com/M-51-Engineers-Field-Bag-Military/dp/B000B5S82G

That's the bag. It has a removable shoulder strap and a briefcase handle. Got some mixed reviews, some people talked about the strap clips undoing at a bad time, but they are replaceable. I doubt it's going to "fray" like one reviewer said, this sucker is well-made by my standards.

One thing is that the pen holders ARE sewn a bit tight, but will hold bic pens and regular #2 pencils just fine.

I'd give it 4.5/5 stars, 5 for the price.
 
Penicillen and Tetracycline are two of the most common wide sceptrum antibiotics out there. Just make sure that you actually need to use it before taking it, otherwise your body will become used to them and they won't work as well when you actually do have an infection that you need to fight.

Both are available online.

http://www.ordermymeds.net/buy_penicillin_vk_online.htm

http://www.discount-onlinepharmacy.c...racycline.html

Just as an fyi, it is illegal for a US resident to purchase oral antibiotics without a physician's prescription, and 21CFR requires at least one face-to-face visit between the presciber and patient. Online pharmacies are notorious for selling fake drugs - the real US ones won't sell to you without a prescription and the overseas pharmacies have little incentive to send you real product.

http://www.fda.gov/cder/consumerinfo/counterfeit_text.htm for a list of legit online pharmacies.
 
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