killermarmot
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as far as ive seen there are very few state parks that allow fire arms
Cougar Has Claws, Hiker Has Pistol
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Mannlicher
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That huge earthquake can NOT come quick enough. California and its folks are a boil on the fundiment of America. 
hansolo
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Hey, Miller, that cat looks hungry
I suggest an overnight campout for Lt. Miller without any firearms in the big cat's domain; put his money where his mouth is.
I suggest an overnight campout for Lt. Miller without any firearms in the big cat's domain; put his money where his mouth is.
Standing Wolf
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On his belt, sure.
odysseus
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Mannlicher
Hate to tell you then, but there are a lot of good people there too. Also, abandoning a state where troubles in 2nd amendment issues are abound isn't going to help your cause if the strongest, most populated state that ranks a 7th world power ever falls to antigun agendas too far. Cali is where you take a stand, don't let that big bear fall by abandoning the cause of 2nd amendment liberty. You think that abandoning a member of our Union will not effect you might be being a little naive my neighbor?
Off my soapbox now.
Hate to tell you then, but there are a lot of good people there too. Also, abandoning a state where troubles in 2nd amendment issues are abound isn't going to help your cause if the strongest, most populated state that ranks a 7th world power ever falls to antigun agendas too far. Cali is where you take a stand, don't let that big bear fall by abandoning the cause of 2nd amendment liberty. You think that abandoning a member of our Union will not effect you might be being a little naive my neighbor?
Off my soapbox now.
The_Antibubba
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thank you odysseus
That was basically what I was going to say.
Mannicher, some of us are fighting hard here to save the gun rights of Californians, and in the process, the rest of America.
If you don't like what's happening, I suggest you get off your "fundiment" and get to work.
That was basically what I was going to say.
Mannicher, some of us are fighting hard here to save the gun rights of Californians, and in the process, the rest of America.
If you don't like what's happening, I suggest you get off your "fundiment" and get to work.
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That police lt. should keep his mouth shut. 
A more aggressive cat that is hungry would have stalked and killed him before he got to his cell phone or his gun. I don't see LE snipers commanding the trail to protect hikers, joggers or bicyclists.
A more aggressive cat that is hungry would have stalked and killed him before he got to his cell phone or his gun. I don't see LE snipers commanding the trail to protect hikers, joggers or bicyclists.jAK-47
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I think that Lt. Miller should put his money where his mouth is. He should disarm himself and go jogging on these very trails every evening, with nothing more than a cell phone. Let's see how well he can follow his own advice.
But let's smear sheep's blood on him first! Then we could film him being eaten from the safety of a helicopter.
jAK-47
But let's smear sheep's blood on him first!
Then we could film him being eaten from the safety of a helicopter.jAK-47
gunsmith
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No State Park allows Firearms in CA
If the guy isn't charged either he has connections or the cops were cool, I suspect the cops were cool about it and LA Times anti gun editors pumped up the anti gun angle. When you call be sure to thank the cops for not busting the guy so if I get caught defending myself out there the cops will remember how nice the gunnies are.
If they bust the guy then thats a different story.
If the guy isn't charged either he has connections or the cops were cool, I suspect the cops were cool about it and LA Times anti gun editors pumped up the anti gun angle. When you call be sure to thank the cops for not busting the guy so if I get caught defending myself out there the cops will remember how nice the gunnies are.
If they bust the guy then thats a different story.
shep854
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Guns are illegal in Alabama state parks as well. Guess what? I carry, and am very well behaved. As the saying goes, "Better judged by twelve, than carried by six."
I am aware that if somehow I am caught, there will be consequences, but I accept that risk. It beats the heck out of the possible alternative.
I am aware that if somehow I am caught, there will be consequences, but I accept that risk. It beats the heck out of the possible alternative.
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Have you EVER come close to a dangerous animal in the wild? i seriously doubt it. Wild animals be they snake, lizard, cat, bear, canine, deer, or duck have one thing in common.
They fear man.
But on occasion an individual animal will loose its fear of man. Ususally this is the result of some idiot feeding it or being careless with food. The animal then will associate man with food. For deer or ducks it means they are easy prey for a hunter. But for animals like coyotes, wolves, mountain lines, BEARS, alligators and snakes it means someone gets attacked. Last year i had to "educate" some twit yankee woman about walking her white fluff ball of a dog along the lakes of our development. We have alligators!
the hikers best bet was to shoot and kill that cat as soon as he realized the cat didn't fear him. that cat IS going to attack someone. he has no fear of man. likely other hikers have been careless with their food and the cat now associates human smell with something tasty.
That bear that ate those 2 idiots in alaska last year? you can bet he had no fear. why should he? the guy spent his time petting him!
btw i have been up close and personal with Poisonous snakes and gators. pygmy rattlers are the worst they have little fear of humans. gators hiss and then retreat to the water.
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Have you EVER come close to a dangerous animal in the wild? i seriously doubt it. Wild animals be they snake, lizard, cat, bear, canine, deer, or duck have one thing in common.
They fear man.
But on occasion an individual animal will loose its fear of man. Ususally this is the result of some idiot feeding it or being careless with food. The animal then will associate man with food. For deer or ducks it means they are easy prey for a hunter. But for animals like coyotes, wolves, mountain lines, BEARS, alligators and snakes it means someone gets attacked. Last year i had to "educate" some twit yankee woman about walking her white fluff ball of a dog along the lakes of our development. We have alligators!
the hikers best bet was to shoot and kill that cat as soon as he realized the cat didn't fear him. that cat IS going to attack someone. he has no fear of man. likely other hikers have been careless with their food and the cat now associates human smell with something tasty.
That bear that ate those 2 idiots in alaska last year? you can bet he had no fear. why should he? the guy spent his time petting him!
btw i have been up close and personal with Poisonous snakes and gators. pygmy rattlers are the worst they have little fear of humans. gators hiss and then retreat to the water.
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SAG0282
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*shakes head*
With two incidents from which to draw conclusions from, the morons STILL won't give guns credit? God I'm glad I don't live in CA......
I too jog, and at this point am up to at least three times a week, and I carry a gun without exception in an Uncle Mikes shoulder rig under my sweatshirt. Kind of a PITA, but worth it IMHO. I feel mildly vindicated with this article, though I didn't really need to be in the first place.
With two incidents from which to draw conclusions from, the morons STILL won't give guns credit? God I'm glad I don't live in CA......
I too jog, and at this point am up to at least three times a week, and I carry a gun without exception in an Uncle Mikes shoulder rig under my sweatshirt. Kind of a PITA, but worth it IMHO. I feel mildly vindicated with this article, though I didn't really need to be in the first place.
rickster
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Sawdust,
Let us know what , if any, reply you get from the sheriff.
Let us know what , if any, reply you get from the sheriff.
7.62FullMetalJacket
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If he would have fired warning shots he would have likley drawn serious attention. He would have been arrested for sure. Sad to say, but he did OK in the circumstances.
The comments by the Sherrif's Deputy gives you the flavor of attitudes there. Rural Orange County used to be OK. Not anymore.
I am still wondering how the price of the helicopter retieval is going to be covered????? Dispatcher should have told him to kill the kitty already.
The comments by the Sherrif's Deputy gives you the flavor of attitudes there. Rural Orange County used to be OK. Not anymore.
I am still wondering how the price of the helicopter retieval is going to be covered????? Dispatcher should have told him to kill the kitty already.
contradictions?
"Cody said he agreed: "My advice isn't that people need to carry handguns but that they never go out alone, stay close to the people they're with and always be alert."
Don't do as I did, do as I say. He can carry but no one else should. He can go out alone but no one else should.
What an over inflated ego!
"Cody said he agreed: "My advice isn't that people need to carry handguns but that they never go out alone, stay close to the people they're with and always be alert."
Don't do as I did, do as I say. He can carry but no one else should. He can go out alone but no one else should.
What an over inflated ego!
First, the cop's statement is the usual balderdash one always hears from the police, even when a homeowner kills a burglar: We can't advise people to carry guns or to take the law into their own hands. Duh...But these cops don't go out in dangerous areas without THEIR guns!
Now: why did this idiot even admit he had a gun or call for a helicopter? If he was armed and had seen the cat, he could call in a warning, and go on his way...with the gun handier than in his backpack. He should tell others he meets on the trail. But why expose himself to arrest for carrying the gun if he didn't have to use it? Even if he had to leave a dead cougar, they might never figure out who shot it.
Good Lord, you kill a cougar out there, and Pam Anderson and her PETA pals may picket your home!
Lone Star
Now: why did this idiot even admit he had a gun or call for a helicopter? If he was armed and had seen the cat, he could call in a warning, and go on his way...with the gun handier than in his backpack. He should tell others he meets on the trail. But why expose himself to arrest for carrying the gun if he didn't have to use it? Even if he had to leave a dead cougar, they might never figure out who shot it.
Good Lord, you kill a cougar out there, and Pam Anderson and her PETA pals may picket your home!
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rickster
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I can get Pam Anderson to come to my home!?! I'm going cougar huntin'!!!
Andrew Rothman
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kernal_panic --
Whatever.
I'll stand by my statement: Legally, morally and environmentally, you can't shoot a mountain lion for the crime of being on the same trail as you.
He would have had to lie about the lion's actions or be charged, at best, with hunting a protected species.
The critter didn't attack. The guy done right. Period.
Whatever.
I'll stand by my statement: Legally, morally and environmentally, you can't shoot a mountain lion for the crime of being on the same trail as you.
He would have had to lie about the lion's actions or be charged, at best, with hunting a protected species.
The critter didn't attack. The guy done right. Period.
Diggler
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Aren't those ad campaigns "I'd rather go naked than wear fur" just TERRIBLE?
natedog
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What an elitist.
jAK-47
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I'm an avid hiker AND gun enthusiast. So, I called the police dept out there and told them I wanted to hike on that trail but didn't want to break any laws. I asked them very nicely if they would supply a deputy to accompany me on the trail so I wouldn't need to carry a gun illegally or call for a helicopter.
They hung up on me - How Rude! (just kidding)
I wouldn't want to shoot an animal like a cougar unless it attacked me but I also couldn't live with myself if I went on my merry way and the next hiker was eaten. I guess I MIGHT have shot it OR at least reported it right away - tell the authorities I threw a rock at it cause it was DEFINITELY threatening me. I'd never mention I had an illegal gun. The authorities would then be obligated to capture or kill said lion.
Not the best solution but...
jAK-47
They hung up on me - How Rude! (just kidding)
I wouldn't want to shoot an animal like a cougar unless it attacked me but I also couldn't live with myself if I went on my merry way and the next hiker was eaten. I guess I MIGHT have shot it OR at least reported it right away - tell the authorities I threw a rock at it cause it was DEFINITELY threatening me. I'd never mention I had an illegal gun. The authorities would then be obligated to capture or kill said lion.
Not the best solution but...
jAK-47
Ivy Mike
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Well, the sooner California falls into the Pacific, the sooner I get beach front property
FWIW, I go into the desert surrounding the Vegas valley quite often. I have seen and come into contact with several wild animals. Usually rattlesnakes, but I have seen and surprised a fox of some sort. She bristled up and was not happy about my presence. Backing away slowly solved things, but I was certainly glad I had my FN 1910 (.32acp) on my belt. If things would have gone bad, I would've at least stood a chance at avoiding injury. The snakes still bother me the most though, I have actually had to shoot a snake before.
FWIW, I go into the desert surrounding the Vegas valley quite often. I have seen and come into contact with several wild animals. Usually rattlesnakes, but I have seen and surprised a fox of some sort. She bristled up and was not happy about my presence. Backing away slowly solved things, but I was certainly glad I had my FN 1910 (.32acp) on my belt. If things would have gone bad, I would've at least stood a chance at avoiding injury. The snakes still bother me the most though, I have actually had to shoot a snake before.
jAK-47
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The snakes still bother me the most though, I have actually had to shoot a snake before.
Being a Northeasterner, I don't come across snakes here. But I've spent a lot of time hunting in TN and hiking out your way. In TN, my hunting partner carried a .45 with shotshells for snakes just in case. He was 6'2", 220lbs and had a 3rd degree black belt but was HORRIFIED of snakes!
I enjoy the ocean and the woods but the desert is really neat! Just think, when California falls into the ocean, you'll have the best of both worlds -desert AND ocean-front property. You lucky guy
jAK-47
Being a Northeasterner, I don't come across snakes here. But I've spent a lot of time hunting in TN and hiking out your way. In TN, my hunting partner carried a .45 with shotshells for snakes just in case. He was 6'2", 220lbs and had a 3rd degree black belt but was HORRIFIED of snakes!
I enjoy the ocean and the woods but the desert is really neat! Just think, when California falls into the ocean, you'll have the best of both worlds -desert AND ocean-front property. You lucky guy
jAK-47
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Your mention of the fox intrigues me. I've had a similar experience with a male gray fox in Texas.
I put my hand on my S&W "four-inch" M66 and backed away, and we went our separate ways.
I've also encountered a couple of female foxes (vixens), one with kits. We were within about 20 feet when we became aware of each other. I just walked a little wide, and pretended I didn't see them. No problem. But that male fox was bristling and snarling. (This was all on the same property, but not the same week.)
I called the zoo and talked to the curator of mammals. We agreed that some sort of territory issue was probably present; it didn't seem rabid, nor was I close enough to be an immediate threat. I don't think it knew I'm a Republican, so it's not a relative of that "yellow dog" that Democrats would vote for, if it ran on their ticket...
Lone Star
Your mention of the fox intrigues me. I've had a similar experience with a male gray fox in Texas.
I put my hand on my S&W "four-inch" M66 and backed away, and we went our separate ways.
I've also encountered a couple of female foxes (vixens), one with kits. We were within about 20 feet when we became aware of each other. I just walked a little wide, and pretended I didn't see them. No problem. But that male fox was bristling and snarling. (This was all on the same property, but not the same week.)
I called the zoo and talked to the curator of mammals. We agreed that some sort of territory issue was probably present; it didn't seem rabid, nor was I close enough to be an immediate threat. I don't think it knew I'm a Republican, so it's not a relative of that "yellow dog" that Democrats would vote for, if it ran on their ticket...
Lone Star
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I'm glad to know that it takes a kitty longer than 10 minutes to kill you.
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