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Art Eatman

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Cougar/Panther/Mountain Lion: Allee-samee critter, here in North America.

My wife knows what a panther looks like: There is a panther rug draped over the back of our living room couch. She is also an artist, with a very good eye for color.

Of three cougars she has seen in the general vicinity of Thomasville, Georgia, one, seen in daylight, was a rather dark brown.

South Brewster County, Texas, is a haven for cougars, mostly due to Big Bend National Park and the Big Bend Ranch State Park. Bacon grease on a rag that's wired to my pasture fence will regularly result in big-kitty tracks at the bait. (Bulk catnip helps, also.)

I have seen rather-light-tan cougars, and I and a friend baited a big male in which was very similar in coloring to a Seal-point Siamese cat.

A couple of locals who are quite credible about wildlife have seen heavy-melanin cougars at their garbage bit near their house. Seen at night by flashlight led to, "I saw a black panther!" Other credible locals have also on occasion seen heavy-melanin cougars. Not many, of course. Maybe a half-dozen sightings in the twenty-seven years of my living here. It's not "bar talk", but comments from folks who have lived here in the desert for many years and regularly see wildlife.

Travelling cougars? Texas Parks & Wildlife folks released a young male lion with a radio collar. Two days later that lion was killed in a rancher's sheep pen, eighty miles north of the release point. My flight instructor flies for the wildlife folks, tracking radio-fixed birds, bears and cougars. One cougar had a regular circuit from the Glass Mountains north of Marathon, Texas, to the southern end of the Del Carmen Mountains down in Mexico and then back. A travel path of some 250 miles, north to south.

Cougar meat is very tasty. A slow-cooked barbecued ham is a definitely yummy treat.
 
Cougars are certainly distributed throughout the State in areas some folks would not expect.

Unquestionably, they are capable of traveling long distances...and frequently do.

However, I am disappointed to even see the words "Black Panther" mentioned, because shortly...we will have posts about so and so's friend, uncle, mother when she was a child, etc, etc....having seen a black panther.

Now, I have no doubt that many folks have seen things in the woods that were black (or perceived to be black), but I would bet my last dollar it was NOT a black panther.

Unfortunately, most folks will pick folklore over intellectual honesty, science and empirical evidence (or lack of...in this case). But I'll go make some popcorn and watch this one anyway. ;)

Yes, I know all about Melanistic phases of mammals...and I do not contest it is possible for a cougar to be one of them. What I DO contest...is the idea that they exist in numbers greater than you could count on one hand (with three fingers to spare).

Even so, it is literally impossible to look to any region of the United States, State, County or locale and NOT find dozens of people making the claim, right? Right down to EVERY three horse town.....you hear it.

So common sense tells us...that one of three things are at play:

1. People enjoy perpetuating the folklore (along with bigfoot and others).
2. People are simply mistaken (saw something black) but not a panther.
3. People are correct (in which case BP's should be as common as houseflies).

But, I am ever the student....so if someone can show me otherwise, I am willing to entertain the idea.

O.K.

No sooner had I posted this...that I see another thread (locked) has already covered it.
 
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2. People are simply mistaken (saw something black) but not a panther.
This is the stock answer by the wildlife officials regarding any anomalous animal is our fair state. Whether it be black bear,cougar(of any color) wolf,etc. Recently we had a local farmer who was raised on the same farm he now owns get ridiculed by the local biological official for reporting the presence of a cougar on his property. The obligitory "mistaken identity" was posted in the paper along with a photo of the farmer. Same thing with a lady I once worked with who told of the black bear that her little dog chased up a tree in her front yard. When I asked her about it she said she was not talking about it anymore because so many people made fun of her. With "encouragement" like that,why would ANYBODY ever tell of seeing one(black panther,etc.)?
 
I have seen cougars in the wild on two occasions, both in Wise County, Texas. In fact, it may have been the same animal!

In both cases, the animal way young and not full grown. The fur was a chocolate brown. There was no mistaking what it was as both sightings were made at a distance of about 60 yards.

It is possible that if an animal with this coloration were seen in poor lighting it could be assumed to be a 'black panther'. My sightings were both in full daylight; once when crossing a farm road, the other when travelling in a roadside gully.

These sightings were about a year apart and within a quarter mile of each other.

Ron in Texas
 
I have been an outdoorsman since seventy years ago. Not full time, of course, but a helluva lot more than most people. I have great difficulty in understanding why the things I've seen and experienced should have less credibility than the opinions of some Official Person.

As far as I'm concerned, after all these decades, is that the, "Since I never saw one, it doesn't exist," sort of official pronouncement is arrogant silliness.
 
what I have never been able to understand.... is when people claim to have seen a "black panther", and it's their only sighting EVER of a large cat.... I guess they are just lucky and hit the holy grail of mythical creatures. I've seen two mountain lions... unfortunatley, both were tan.
 
"I have been an outdoorsman since seventy years ago. Not full time, of course, but a helluva lot more than most people. I have great difficulty in understanding why the things I've seen and experienced should have less credibility than the opinions of some Official Person."

Art, how true. I typically have one or two lions tangle with bobcat sets each year. Most pull out as I try not to use the 4 coils in the most likely "lion" areas. Others just come up and look. Occasionally we hold one and it ruins our day to say the least. When
the state folks from F & G try to trap them, they're lucky to even get one and they are using road kill for bait !! And these guys are the experts !!
 
A true story

I had the opportunity to baby sit a young Cougar and Jaguar, while my friend's cousin was in Cameron County jail in Brownsville for smuggling Parrots into the U.S. This was back in the late 70's. I knew Jaguars ranged into southern Texas. We built pens for the cats. The Cougar was young and just lost her spots. Cougars are a Feline just like your house cat, the Jaguars are a Panther. Both cats were about 6 months old. Two totally different personalities though. Anything small including children and small dogs were fair game to the Cougar and hated water. The Jag was more like a big muscular playful dog, loved the water. They didn't get agressive until they saw each other. Neither cats were out at the same time or we couldn't have handled them and the Jaguar could have easily killed the Cougar(I sure wouldn't have stepped in between them). An example being that the Jaguar was out on her long rotating chain and her collar slipped off. I heard my mom scream and our dog was let out accidently, the Jaguar 90lbs. had the 15 lb. dog in a neck hold, if she wanted the dog would have been dead by the time I got to separate them. She let go when I pryed her jaws loose. She just had the dog in a hold with a paw holding the dog down. She just wasn't as agressive as the Cougar.
Needless to say I was really glad when the guy was released and came and got his cats. The Cougar weighed about 50-60lbs and the Jag was about 110lbs. I was really lucky nothing bad happened. They were just fairly domesticated cats but the Cougar's personality was a lot nastier and still had razor sharp claws. When she was mad just like a house cat, she laid her ears back and you knew she was upset. Me and my bud got clawed several times, she didn't like be slapped. Good thing she was smaller than the Jag.
JT
 
Art, I have seen 2 different ones in the San Marcos river bottoms aroud Stairtown over to Gander Slough, I know you know that area, yes they are around here, a friend of mine lost 2 foals in the last few months and has actually seen 2 cats out her back window in the oilfield.
 
I saw a lion about a mile and a half from my house last year. I had him dead to rights but with luck being what it is, my rifle was shooting higher than I realized so I only managed to graze him. Never found a trace of him.

Probably a once in a lifetime thing around here but I have been keeping a more vigilant eye out since.
 
Justin, I usually carry a rifle with me, but didnt have on the day I had a cat run right in front of my truck while I was fishing, broad daylight too, that is one I would have mounted, I am sure it would cost a bundle too. You are supposed to contact Parks & Wildlife when you see one, tell em location and other info, but they are fair game.
 
Well, all I can tell you is I've seen one. Mid 70's - Northern Indiana (is that Hwy 2?) standing right by the side of the road. Clear night, high beams. Especially distinctive tail and got a full look at the head. It were a cougar. Not a lab, not a cow, not a coyote. A cougar. That's my story and I'm sticking to it...
 
we got quite a few of em here in Texas, but you will still get that "sure, sure" look when you tell someone you saw one, they are usually noctural and stay out of sight, but sometimes drought, flood, or some other condition will bring them out and close to humans.
 
A couple of locals who are quite credible about wildlife have seen heavy-melanin cougars at their garbage bit near their house. Seen at night by flashlight led to, "I saw a black panther!" Other credible locals have also on occasion seen heavy-melanin cougars.

There's a normal range of colors from light tan to brown or even grayish. But, the one thing that's never been demonstrated is a black cougar. In 500 years of recorded history nobody has ever killed one, so you have to wonder at the accuracy of anyone saying they have seen a "black panther" in the United States. Maybe they saw a brownish cougar, or a house cat, or a bobcat (which do occasionally turn up in a black phase), or a labrador retriever, but I doubt they saw a "black panther".
 
Big cats are scary.
If one was near my house I would not hesitate to blow it into heck.
plus, my landlords would thank me after they called cussing about the noise of my 12 guage or .308 because they have an outdoor cat.
But I am scared to crap of them.
they are why I'm about to start carrying a pistol when hunting.
 
O.K.

Its seems folks are contesting two different things here. Standard Cougar and Black Panther.

Perhaps that is my fault for taking the thread off on a tangent (didn't mean to really).

I am NOT challenging the sighting of normal colored (or recognized variants) Cougars! I don't care if you claim to have seen one in New York city....I believe that is possible, cougars exist many places, that is NOT my challenge.

BLACK PANTHERS (melanistic cougar) is what I am talking about. Please....any further posts with claims of sightings, make the distinction between which you are talking about (Normal Cougar or Black Panther).

My apologies....if I am responsible for the confusion.

So again: NO Black Panthers.....that is my position.

Thank you,

Flint.
 
So again: NO Black Panthers.....that is my position.
That's fine except your position is impossible to prove. Panthers,including jaguar are found in the southern United States and DO have a black phase. So it is very possible to see a "black panther" in the jaguar's range.
 
I always carry a revolver, large caliber as a sidearm when I hunt, I saw a downloaded pic, and of course everyone says they know the guy in it, but he is holding a really nice deer and behind him a few yards is a cougar watching him, dont know if it is real, the internet can really put some stuff out there. supposedly the only way the cat was exposed was by camera flash...and not noticed til the picture was downloaded...
 
Panthers,including jaguar are found in the southern United States and DO have a black phase. So it is very possible to see a "black panther" in the jaguar's range.

Actually, black jaguars are almost unknown except in South America. They aren't found in Mexico, for example. So, while it's true that jaguars (unlike mountain lions) are sometimes black, it's a real stretch to say one of these would be found as far north as the US border. It's into the realm of the impossible that such cats are running around in the southeastern US where the black panther myth abounds.
 
It's into the realm of the impossible that such cats are running around in the southeastern US where the black panther myth abounds.
Credible people are seeing what they believe to be large cats that appear black in color. People I know personally and trust to tell the truth. People who KNOW what a labrador retriever or coyote looks like. I believe them.
 
I have a friend who graduated from Texas A&M with a major in Ag Development and a minor in Wildlife Management. He says a typical whitetail deer will not go more than 4 miles from where it was born. A Cougar/Puma/Jaguar/Mountain Lion can travel up to 300 miles from where it was born, and travel up to 60 miles a day.

I have never seen a big cat in the wild, but know several people who have and two people who have shot them and have full body mounts in their living rooms. Both of them are fawn/tan colored. One of my high school classmates shot at one and missed right outside of Huntsville, Texas, and he will swear up and down it was pitch black in color. I guess black/dark colored ones do exist, but I personally have never seen one.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
Art Eatman said:
Travelling cougars? ... My flight instructor ...

Art: "Tower, Skyhawk 2EA, takeoff VFR."
Tower: "2EA holdshort 2 mikes; cougar turbulence runway 7."

I've seen big bobcats all over TX and occasionally VA and NC. I'd love to spot a cougar in the wild, but haven't been fortunate enough yet.
 
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