Could this affect my gun rights?

[bruss01]

The best solution, Megatron, is to move out of state.

Yes, this will mean some personal upheaval for you. No, you have done nothing wrong (at least that you've admitted to). Why should you have to "run"? It's not running, it's a strategic withdrawal. You can't very well be accused of "stalking" or "harrassing" if you've moved AWAY from them.

I'm just wondering, why this gal would be stalking you or harrassing you if she's got a new boyfriend? Are you interacting with them somehow? Is there some kind of ongoing legal or "social" dispute in play? You haven't alluded to the actual causes of the friction.

Yes, it will be a major inconvenience to move out of state. New driver's license, change of address forms, new CCW permit, etc not to mention finding a new job and having to move all your stuff. Losing your right to carry and your firearms rights, a huge legal mess and constantly watching your back are no way to live a happy life though. Do the strategic withdrawal and all of that goes away. It's cheaper, easier and less frustrating than dealing with cops, courts and lawyers. Crazy females can be like runaway buldozers. She may be inciting jealousy with the new boyfriend because she doesn't think he's paying enough attention to her. Maybe she holds some lingering resentment and is trying to get him worked up enough to do something not-nice to you. Maybe she just has a taste for "drama" in her personal life. Either way, as my grandfather is reputed to have said "the more you stir s**t the worse it stinks". Doing nothing to agitate the situation, and distancing yourself from the brewing chaos, is IMHO the most prudent course of action.

If for some reason you can't move out of state, sever the connections as thouroughly as possible. At a bare minimum, change your address and your phone numbers. Avoid places you know they frequent. Consider taking a different job. Buy a different car. Just go out of your way to leave them in the dust. It's not hiding, it's strategic avoidance. As Sun-Tsu said, the best way to win battles is to avoid having to fight them.

Think about it, friend. Sometimes discretion is the better part of valor.

 

[Gunfire]

If for some reason you can't move out of state, sever the connections as thouroughly as possible. At a bare minimum, change your address and your phone numbers. Avoid places you know they frequent. Consider taking a different job. Buy a different car. Just go out of your way to leave them in the dust. It's not hiding, it's strategic avoidance. As Sun-Tsu said, the best way to win battles is to avoid having to fight them.

Great advise, not everybody can move.

Crazy females can be like runaway buldozers. She may be inciting jealousy. Maybe she holds some lingering resentment. Maybe she just has a taste for "drama".

It doesn't matter the reason, the court will ALWAYS believe a woman and there are federally funded programs that will assist females with lawyers, counselors and advice on completeing the forms and what to say to meet the basic letter of the law. NJ, one of the worst offenders of civil rights, has a counselor complete a report that is given to the judge but not to the defense. You never know what it says and can't defend against it like in criminal procedure. And they get away with it because it's always held in 'civil court'. Lax rules of evidence, preponderance of the evidence instead of a reasonable doubt, (railroad tracks, ha just kidding) all lead to a corrupted system when it can end with criminal charges against one but not the other. The "victim" can walk up to or phone and say anything they want to the enjoined person without criminal charges or consequences but if the other person says one word back they will be criminally charged. That's not right and that's stalking with the government's blessing and approval.

Another case i know of personally involved a FFL holder. In 1999, the woman, an ex- girlfriend, filed and claimed that he threatened her with a handgun. The man was never charged with any crime though ever. She was granted a permanent ro/po on her word only. The guy thought it was all bs because it was, so he never hired a lawyer and that it would expire in a short period of time, like most people think. Three years later he needs to renew his FFL and the atf tells him he isn't allowed to own or possess firearms much less have a FFL. He paid a lawyer $5000+ to try to get it dismissed. The woman came to the hearing and refused to agree to dismiss it because she was "still scared". The lawyer argued that she hasn't seen him in 2 years since the last hearing. That didn't matter to the judge at all and he wasn't going to go over the original complaint because he wasn't the judge that granted it. He then argued that he is being denied his 2nd amendment rights because he is a FFL holder, and will lose it, and has always been a law-abiding citizen. It was like a light went off in the judges head and the only reason was because of the FFL. If you went in as a regular citizen, I believe you wouldn't get that consideration. Your firearms collection means nothing to these judges and are probably looked at as a detriment and a threat to the person. The judge very reluctantly dismissed it and warned him that she (the so-called victim) had better never even see him much less complain or he (the judge) will renew it. This man was commiting a Felony everyday that the ro was in affect. He could have very easily had his life ruined just like they did to Dr. Tim Emerson over an unproven allegation. "He threatened me with a gun".

These stories are all over the net and it's a disgrace to the judicial system and a Free people. Lautenburg should be Repealed not only because of this but because of the ex-post-facto of the misdemeanor disqualification. If it's that bad of a crime, make it a felony. I'm sorry for all those women that really were abused but get away from it, go get yourself a gun, take self defense classes, take some responsibility for yourself and lock up the abuser with criminal charges.
What a concept? :banghead:

 

[bruss01]

Great advise, not everybody can move.

Uh, this being a free country and all, I think that pretty much everybody CAN move, except people in jail. And that's one reason why I think this guy should move, even if the most he can manage is a move across town. TO STAY OUT OF JAIL. It's just a question of what sacrifices you're willing to make to accomplish the move. Yes it will cost you something, at least inconvenience but also probably some money. Stuck in a lease? So sublet the place for the balance of the lease period, and find a new pad. You don't want to be staying somewhere that she knows the next door neighbors, the landlady, possibly still has a copy of a key... bad ju-ju.

edited to add - if she's harassing him, and inciting her current boyfriend to make threatening overatures, who's to say she's above planting some kind of evidence to make it look like he did something threatening or illegal? No, don't pooh-pooh this, if he lives in CA all she would have to do is plant one hi-cap mag in his place, call in some bogus threat that gets his pad searched by the cops, and bang- instant felony and he loses all his gun rights forever. Yes some people are just that petty and vindictive. All it would take is the sympathetic ear of a gullible landlady "oh, we broke up, it was terrible, did you know he was abusing me and sleeping around? He's got an heirloom of my mother's I forgot to take when I left, fled really, actually it was handed down from her grandmother who came here from Italy, I just can't face seeing him again, can you let me in for just 5 minutes so I can get it? *sob* oh, I'm so sorry to bother you with my little problems... boo hoo hoo *sob*"

Now do you see why he has to MOVE!

 

[Gunfire]

Yes some people are just that petty and vindictive.

Agreed.

Does anyone know if a conviction of 'violation of injunction' would be considered one of the misdemeanor domestic violence offenses that would disqualify you under lautenberg? I think alot of citizens are losing their firearms rights and don't even know it. Read the crime watch. Half the arrests are for dv.

 

[t49si83]

I'm sure there are women on this site. The question I have, is WHERE ARE THEY? The entire system is rigged against men and has been mentioned with specifics by at least half a dozen posters. I would assume that the women on this site are somewhat informed and probably gun owners, but since I didn't notice any of them offering any support in this thread, it's a good reminder to us that we men are alone against the government. These abominations (and frauds) known as "protective" orders or "restraining" orders should be totally removed from the law in all 50 states. That's the solution. That's the answer. Few have the courage to say it though.

There is a difference in the way men and women fight. The phrase "fighting like a girl" is a universal insult. Why? Because it refers to a form of "fighting" that is misleading because it isn't clear fighting, it's injuring your opponent using a THIRD party to hide behind, or using cheap tactics where one doesn't actually pursue victory, only INJURY. It's petty, always creates drama, escalation, and bitterness. Getting "protective" orders, or "restraining" orders is a classic example of "fighting like a girl." It's hiding behind government. It's taking a "jab" at someone for purely petty purposes (and as has been mentioned ALWAYS results in the favor being returned).

You said:

I want this R.O. on her because I feel shes a nut and may try something

You've let the drama take over. I don't believe a word of what you said that I just quoted.

Be a man and walk away. Let her drama, antagonism, pettiness, and attemps at escalation die from lack of food. Screen your calls. Don't talk to them. If you are forced to speak to them by accident, piss them off by treating them like you would anyone else, maybe a "hi" and nothing else.

 

[Optical Serenity]

How is it a perfectly normal thread gets turned into Y.A.C.B.T (Yet Another Cop Bashing Thread)...sigh...

As officers, we actually very routinely tell people "I cannot, and will not give you legal advice, consult your attorney."

And no, I've never been encouraged to give people incorrect advice or lie. Actually that is a huge no no.

 

[dragongoddess]

1. never be alone
2. always record and document
3. move
4. RO = domestic violence = no ccw or ability to purchase guns
5. have a lawyer ready and get advice
6. if you file she files
7. if she files he files
result
a big mess any way you look at it.

the following above is unsolicited advice for both parties

 

[Geronimo45]

Record and document +1. Lots of cheap recording devices - cameras included.

 

[stlgunfan]

the Lautenberg law is such BS!! Its Time more people challenge the supreme Court!!

 

[megatronrules]

Bruss1 I've truely done nothing to prevoke this beyond dumping her when I learned of the fact she was cheating on me for months. Shes pissed because I woulden't take her back shes the type who wnats to get her way. I haven't heard a peep out of either of them since last satuday so I think it may be over I've been watching my back in public and I even left my car at my brothers and rented one for the months as to avoid her seeing my car in public. I can not move moving isn't an option I have a 3 year old daughter(not ny this woman thank god) and my mother in fighting breast cancer. I'll just deal with it the best I can.

 

[gezzer]

I suggest you speak with an attorney who is versed in that type legality.

L.W.

First answer is still the best., Do it you have to much to loose.