natedog
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i can think of Switzerland, Norway, and i think New Zealand. any others?
countries that have no/very few gun laws?
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NonServiam
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Norway? We got a lot of guns, but we certainly got a lot of gun laws as well. And it's getting worse every year ...
In short:
- All guns registered
- Reason to own: competition/training and hunting
- Permitted number of guns according to activity level
- Absolutely no carry (gun unloaded in bag to and from range)
- Full auto only for collectors
- Silencers allowed
- Hi cap mags ok
That's about it. I think UltimaThule (M67) wrote about it more eloquently back on TFL. Do a search on Norway there.
We are better off than many of our European brethren, but there is enough red tape to make buying a gun a somewhat cumbersome process.
In short:
- All guns registered
- Reason to own: competition/training and hunting
- Permitted number of guns according to activity level
- Absolutely no carry (gun unloaded in bag to and from range)
- Full auto only for collectors
- Silencers allowed
- Hi cap mags ok
That's about it. I think UltimaThule (M67) wrote about it more eloquently back on TFL. Do a search on Norway there.
We are better off than many of our European brethren, but there is enough red tape to make buying a gun a somewhat cumbersome process.
natedog
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ok im sorry about that. back on TFL, i posted a thread called 'let me see your class 3' and someone posted a picture of assorted MP5s, an an auto shotgun, and H&K's light machinedgun, saying they were from a friendly norwegian. i just assumed.....
but dang no concealed carry? that bites
but dang no concealed carry? that bites
Chris Rhines
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I understand that the Czech Republic has little in the way of gun laws. I doubt I'd be comfortable living that close to the EU, though...
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NonServiam
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natedog:
I went over to TFL and checked out the thread. Nice collection ...
Not sure how one would get ahold of all those legally though. I guess a licenced arms dealer/importer could own some of those through a company, especially if he was a defence contractor. But for us mere mortals, not a chance in hell! I guess most private full auto guns in Norway are stenguns owned by collectors.
Of course, a lot of men between 18 and 40 have H&K G3s at home, but that is a military weapon, and as of just recently, the firing pins are kept at mobilization points.
Maybe Schuey could elaborate on how his Norwegian friend got to own his toys?
Chris:
I think you're right there. A lot of the Prague taxidrivers carried when I was there, though I have no idea if legally or not. The gun shops were stacked, anyway...
I went over to TFL and checked out the thread. Nice collection ...
Not sure how one would get ahold of all those legally though. I guess a licenced arms dealer/importer could own some of those through a company, especially if he was a defence contractor. But for us mere mortals, not a chance in hell! I guess most private full auto guns in Norway are stenguns owned by collectors.
Of course, a lot of men between 18 and 40 have H&K G3s at home, but that is a military weapon, and as of just recently, the firing pins are kept at mobilization points
.Maybe Schuey could elaborate on how his Norwegian friend got to own his toys?
Chris:
I think you're right there. A lot of the Prague taxidrivers carried when I was there, though I have no idea if legally or not. The gun shops were stacked, anyway...
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Pawcatch
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I've heard Bolivia doesn't have many/any gun control,but I can't confirm it.
Guns are sold freely in the tribal areas of Pakistan.
Guns are sold freely in the tribal areas of Pakistan.
New Zealand, while the poulation does have a large number of firearms (more per capita than the US, oh and a much lower crime rate whoda figured that ) they are still difficult to obtain.
A license is required for rifles / shotguns.
A license and a host over other requirements are required for a pistol. Membership to a gun club and a minimum number of shoots per year. Must be kept in a safe etc.
If you want to jump through the hoops you can get most anything you want though.
I have several FN FAL L1A1s, handguns, rifles and shotguns all awaiting my return.
Oh I miss my toys.
HS/LD
) they are still difficult to obtain. A license is required for rifles / shotguns.
A license and a host over other requirements are required for a pistol. Membership to a gun club and a minimum number of shoots per year. Must be kept in a safe etc.
If you want to jump through the hoops you can get most anything you want though.
I have several FN FAL L1A1s, handguns, rifles and shotguns all awaiting my return.
Oh I miss my toys.
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Deadman
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As far as I know ( freely correct me if you so desire ) New Zealands gun laws aren't that far behind Australia's.
I did once hear that Iceland doesn't have a standing army and its police force patrols unarmed, so even if they have gun laws, there doesn't seem to be much to back it up
I did once hear that Iceland doesn't have a standing army and its police force patrols unarmed, so even if they have gun laws, there doesn't seem to be much to back it up
fallingblock
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New Zealand is deteriorating...
As HS/LD says, N.Z. has a higher rate of firearms ownership and, I believe, the lowest rate of firearms-related crime in the OECD nations.
As always, there are 'activists' that want to outlaw all firearms ownership, regardless of any relevance to criminal misuse. Phil Alpers and his buddy Matt Robson come to mind. Full registration of all long guns is coming in the new year (despite the Police themselves having given it up in 1982 as 'unworkable') and those military style semi autos will likely be 'grandfathered'. My 'lifetime' $35 arms licence has become a non-renewable 10 year $128 licence with re-vetting and administrative review each application.
The hoplophobes are closing in on N.Z.
As HS/LD says, N.Z. has a higher rate of firearms ownership and, I believe, the lowest rate of firearms-related crime in the OECD nations.
As always, there are 'activists' that want to outlaw all firearms ownership, regardless of any relevance to criminal misuse. Phil Alpers and his buddy Matt Robson come to mind. Full registration of all long guns is coming in the new year (despite the Police themselves having given it up in 1982 as 'unworkable') and those military style semi autos will likely be 'grandfathered'. My 'lifetime' $35 arms licence has become a non-renewable 10 year $128 licence with re-vetting and administrative review each application.
The hoplophobes are closing in on N.Z.
In comparison to most U.S. states, New Zealand has tougher gun laws.
There are some bright points lately or maybe I'm being overly optimistic.
Matt Robson and his political party [The Progressive Coalition] have lost their political clout.
Full registration is seen even by the Labour government as being incredibly expensive and ineffective.
MSSA grandfathering while plausible [as policy] is still likely to be ineffective, as the majority of MSSA's were never registered.
The recent shooting of a Northland rustler [shot in the back while stealing a quad bike] has made it obvious that police protection in rural provinces is a joke. Federated Farmers predictions have now come true and there are alot of votes to be garnered from this. The man on the street opinion is to just drop the reasonable force standard for self defence, especially in rural areas.
The widespread use of aerial deployed poison has incensed the hunting community. This is only compounded by aggressive helicopter poachers and government plans to eliminate the Tahr game animal population.
Hunters and fisherman are becoming politicized slowly but surely.
Currently there are three political parties vying for the hunting vote. They being ACT [neo liberals], NZ First [center right nationalist], and the Outdoor Recreation parties.
There are some bright points lately or maybe I'm being overly optimistic.
Matt Robson and his political party [The Progressive Coalition] have lost their political clout.
Full registration is seen even by the Labour government as being incredibly expensive and ineffective.
MSSA grandfathering while plausible [as policy] is still likely to be ineffective, as the majority of MSSA's were never registered.
The recent shooting of a Northland rustler [shot in the back while stealing a quad bike
] has made it obvious that police protection in rural provinces is a joke. Federated Farmers predictions have now come true and there are alot of votes to be garnered from this. The man on the street opinion is to just drop the reasonable force standard for self defence, especially in rural areas.The widespread use of aerial deployed poison has incensed the hunting community. This is only compounded by aggressive helicopter poachers and government plans to eliminate the Tahr game animal population.
Hunters and fisherman are becoming politicized slowly but surely.
Currently there are three political parties vying for the hunting vote. They being ACT [neo liberals], NZ First [center right nationalist], and the Outdoor Recreation parties.
Gordon
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There must be a south American country where you can pay the local jefe once a year any body been there? Alaska is pretty good place for guns, you just have to take a boat around Canada.
Bergeron
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The most frightening thing about this thread is that it seems that we in U.S. might have the least restrictive laws around, and even then, I think we have way too many.
They have no armed forces, period. They have gun laws, I don't know how restrictive but I hear they have some good hunting.
Norwegian police also patrols unarmed, and we have a gun ownership rate comparable to the US. I guess that could conceivably be used as an argument against civilian ccw, after all if the police don't need guns, why should the rest of us need 'em? Carry permits do exist, though, but as some of the geezers around here would say, the paucity is notable.
NonServiam covers Norway pretty well, but I don't know about "a lot of" gun laws. There is really only one law with a number of articles and regulations, all collected in a small, thin booklet. It covers everything from pellet guns through firearms to hand grenades, flame throwers, bombs, mines, incendiaries etc. Some of those are legal, others not
. The law covers ownership, trading, manufacture, import, export and probably any other aspect you can think of. We have one national law, no local variations. Anyway, I would say we have considerably less than 20,000 gun laws. I think we are better off than some US states, worse than others. Just like you guys, there are a lot of things about our legislation I do not like, but things are worse most other places. Now, that's depressing...
OTOH, a shooting buddy just mail ordered a suppressor for his SIG 551, we plan to test it as soon as it arrives. And my brother was just issued a new G3 he needs to sight in. NonServiam, you coming along? Last time your grin would have been 360 degrees if it wasn't for your ears. Deadman
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" They have no armed forces, period. "
Well then I suggest us TFL/THR members get together and invade ol' Iceland, take over the joint, and turn it into a pro RKBA nation
Well then I suggest us TFL/THR members get together and invade ol' Iceland, take over the joint, and turn it into a pro RKBA nation
fallingblock
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JoshM
I'm always cheered when there is cause for optimism. I've been here in Oz for the past seven years, but I have been keeping informed via my old club members at Bruce Rifle Club. My take is that although "Red Jim" Anderton had lost most of his following, Matt had announced that there would be full registration enacted this year with inclusion of more of the Thorpe Report recommendations as legislation. Kiwis are aware that Thorpe was anything but an unbiased investigator, and it seems that there are enough old lefty folks in Hulun's government to enact registration regardless of perceived financial cost. "If it saves only one life" and all that. Those folks who were lawful and registered their MSSA's will learn the same lesson that Californians learned. And those 'caught' with an unregistered one will be unreasonably penalised, I fear.
Still, if all the people who use and appreciate the outdoors could become politically active, your optimism would be justified!
Perhaps I underestimate the collective wisdom of Hulun's mob
I'm always cheered when there is cause for optimism. I've been here in Oz for the past seven years, but I have been keeping informed via my old club members at Bruce Rifle Club. My take is that although "Red Jim" Anderton had lost most of his following, Matt had announced that there would be full registration enacted this year with inclusion of more of the Thorpe Report recommendations as legislation. Kiwis are aware that Thorpe was anything but an unbiased investigator, and it seems that there are enough old lefty folks in Hulun's government to enact registration regardless of perceived financial cost. "If it saves only one life" and all that. Those folks who were lawful and registered their MSSA's will learn the same lesson that Californians learned. And those 'caught' with an unregistered one will be unreasonably penalised, I fear.
Still, if all the people who use and appreciate the outdoors could become politically active, your optimism would be justified!
Perhaps I underestimate the collective wisdom of Hulun's mob
NonServiam
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M67:
The 551 was a _very_ sweet-shooting rifle. Maybe I'll post the pic of my grin when holding it for the first time. Btw, didn't he order a Galil .308 as well? Any news on that?
When on the subject: I went to a OKTS "Chistmas shoot" the other day with a guy who as a "project" managed to legally import an FN P90 as an IPSC rifle!!! Semi-auto, but still... He couldn't get ahold of 5.7x28mm ammo legally, so his other project was rolling his own. Apparently, Sierra was willing to make him some bullets, but I'm not sure about how he was going to make the cases. Crazy guy, nonetheless. Had Brugger-Thommet suppressors for _all_ his guns ...
Deadman:
Good idea, but the US Iceland Defence Force might have something to say about it. And you are aware of the fact that it's called Iceland for a reason, right? Might be a bit chilly for you Yanks . Well, it's not really that cold, but I imagine the winter darkness will get to ya' if you're not used to it. I've always thought that Iceland and Greenland should exchange names, though. Iceland is plenty green in the summer, and Greenland, well, just ain't.
Any time! It sure is wonderful range weather with all this snow. Call or e-mail me. Or just take off your tinfoil hat long enough for me to read your mind
The 551 was a _very_ sweet-shooting rifle. Maybe I'll post the pic of my grin when holding it for the first time. Btw, didn't he order a Galil .308 as well? Any news on that?
When on the subject: I went to a OKTS "Chistmas shoot" the other day with a guy who as a "project" managed to legally import an FN P90 as an IPSC rifle!!!
Semi-auto, but still... He couldn't get ahold of 5.7x28mm ammo legally, so his other project was rolling his own. Apparently, Sierra was willing to make him some bullets, but I'm not sure about how he was going to make the cases. Crazy guy, nonetheless. Had Brugger-Thommet suppressors for _all_ his guns ...Deadman:
Good idea, but the US Iceland Defence Force might have something to say about it.
And you are aware of the fact that it's called Iceland for a reason, right? Might be a bit chilly for you Yanks . Well, it's not really that cold, but I imagine the winter darkness will get to ya' if you're not used to it. I've always thought that Iceland and Greenland should exchange names, though. Iceland is plenty green in the summer, and Greenland, well, just ain't.
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Deadman
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" Might be a bit chilly for you Yanks "
Geese. I've been called many things before, but never a yank...
(psst - S.African born Australian ).
" Good idea, but the US Iceland Defence Force might have something to say about it "
Ah well, can't blame a guy for trying.
To get back on topic.
Although I'd absolutely never want to live there, Afghanistan seems like one place where walking around with an AK is part of everyday life.
Geese. I've been called many things before, but never a yank...
(psst - S.African born Australian
)." Good idea, but the US Iceland Defence Force might have something to say about it "
Ah well, can't blame a guy for trying.
To get back on topic.
Although I'd absolutely never want to live there, Afghanistan seems like one place where walking around with an AK is part of everyday life.
NonServiam
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Sorry, mate! A bit quick there. I tend to think of you all as Americans. I still maintain it might be a bit chilly ... for you Aussies as well.
Haven't been to Iceland myself, but a good friend of mine went two years ago. He reported a beautiful country, friendly people (about 400.000 of them, I think) and outrageous prices. Even for a Norwegian.
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