Titan6
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Nope we are here for spirited debate. You need to learn to take it easy.
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Aaryq
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Well then, gentlemen. I apolgize and will try to take it easy...because a good Cpl takes lawful orders from superior comissioned officers (and I don't even ask where you were comissioned eithre
). It just sounded kind of nasty, that's all
And, for the record: I have 2 girls. A 1 1/2 year old and a 1 month old. If they ever leave my house dressed like that...they had better be moving out. Sorry, Oleg.
). It just sounded kind of nasty, that's allAnd, for the record: I have 2 girls. A 1 1/2 year old and a 1 month old. If they ever leave my house dressed like that...they had better be moving out. Sorry, Oleg.
I can't speak for the NRA, but their rule regarding safe storage is that guns be kept away from all "unauthorized" people. In many cases, a child would fall under this category, but it is up to a parent to decide when their child will have access to a firearm. I think that a child that is staying home alone should have an effective method of self-defense. Otherwise, they should not be home alone.
Cannonball888
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I've got to agree with Alphazulu6 on the matter of the teen holding a paramilitary-looking rifle. If the target audience is gun owners it is fine because we as gun owners understand that a semi-auto military rifle functions the same as a semi-auto target or sporting rifle. However, I think the target audience is (and Oleg, correct me if I'm wrong,) the general public and antis who do NOT understand this. Therefore the image to them is only shocking and defeats the purpose of changing their opinion about guns.
Oleg, I think you need to reinforce our message by appealing to the target audience, not by shocking it. Shock value's only value is shock, and it can send the wrong message. My 2 cents.
Oleg, I think you need to reinforce our message by appealing to the target audience, not by shocking it. Shock value's only value is shock, and it can send the wrong message. My 2 cents.
Oleg Volk
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Advice and critiques of my posters are welcome and appreciated.
Personal attacks on other members are not welcome or permitted here.
I agree about using more common guns, I'll have to do photos just for that poster. The image used was part of snapshots done between stages of another photo shoot. Also have photos of her brother with an MP5...those do look a bit demonic due to his big grin
I'll re-shoot with a Marlin 60 or Mossberg 144.
In regard to teenagers with guns -- I disagree with the NRA. I think that any child who is home alone should have access to guns and the training to go with that.
Personal attacks on other members are not welcome or permitted here.
I agree about using more common guns, I'll have to do photos just for that poster. The image used was part of snapshots done between stages of another photo shoot. Also have photos of her brother with an MP5...those do look a bit demonic due to his big grin
I'll re-shoot with a Marlin 60 or Mossberg 144.
In regard to teenagers with guns -- I disagree with the NRA. I think that any child who is home alone should have access to guns and the training to go with that.
Blackfork
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Visual Literacy
I thought about this overnight before commenting. There is something about this image that doesn't ring true.
I'm not sure this image reads as well as it might, mostly because, (though accurate for the mall or daily wear), her clothes wouldn't be what a kid would wear to the range or while shooting.
Unless of course, you are making this image MORE shocking by what she is wearing. I think there is a visual disconnect between the firearm and her clothes. She'd look more appropriate with a 10/22 and some jeans and sneakers, if looking appropriate is your intent.
I'm always looking for images of young folks shooting to feed into the NRA/CMP/TSRA image banks to further the cause. We had a young highpower shooter, shooting sitting rapid during the Texas Service Rifle Championships in last years TSRA calendar. Got another kid with a BB gun that I am pushing for this years calendar. This kind of imagery is one of my interests in the cause of publicising and promoting shooting sports.
The top image seems fine to me.
Interesting and thought-provoking work as always!
I thought about this overnight before commenting. There is something about this image that doesn't ring true.
I'm not sure this image reads as well as it might, mostly because, (though accurate for the mall or daily wear), her clothes wouldn't be what a kid would wear to the range or while shooting.
Unless of course, you are making this image MORE shocking by what she is wearing. I think there is a visual disconnect between the firearm and her clothes. She'd look more appropriate with a 10/22 and some jeans and sneakers, if looking appropriate is your intent.
I'm always looking for images of young folks shooting to feed into the NRA/CMP/TSRA image banks to further the cause. We had a young highpower shooter, shooting sitting rapid during the Texas Service Rifle Championships in last years TSRA calendar. Got another kid with a BB gun that I am pushing for this years calendar. This kind of imagery is one of my interests in the cause of publicising and promoting shooting sports.
The top image seems fine to me.
Interesting and thought-provoking work as always!
Blackfork
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Third Look.
After looking again this morning it looks fine to me. Maybe the shock value is wearing off the more I look at it. Disconnect seems vastly reduced on third look.
I'd add a comma and a period. I hope someone is taking that kid to Camp Perry next month.
Kid yesterday at 31 West near Tyler was shooting under his dad and grandfathers instruction for the first time. He was shooting a Mossburg CMP parkerized M44 on the 25 yard berm off the bench. He seemed to be having a great time. He was about your girls age. T-shirt and shorts.
Thanks for your good works!
After looking again this morning it looks fine to me. Maybe the shock value is wearing off the more I look at it. Disconnect seems vastly reduced on third look.
I'd add a comma and a period. I hope someone is taking that kid to Camp Perry next month.
Kid yesterday at 31 West near Tyler was shooting under his dad and grandfathers instruction for the first time. He was shooting a Mossburg CMP parkerized M44 on the 25 yard berm off the bench. He seemed to be having a great time. He was about your girls age. T-shirt and shorts.
Thanks for your good works!
Cin
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Oleg... I personally see nothing at all wrong with your pictures.
I am a mom with a 13 year old daughter and I can verify that the clothing is every day wear for a young girl. That is all I see my daughter in after school and during the summer.
As for the comment about wearing it to school. Most schools have dress codes that are enforced. Would I allow her to wear it to school if she could? Hell NO! They are there to learn not get off on all the skin showing.
The gun.. maybe a lever action rifle, pump shotgun, or a .22 like has been mentioned.
I am a mom with a 13 year old daughter and I can verify that the clothing is every day wear for a young girl. That is all I see my daughter in after school and during the summer.
As for the comment about wearing it to school. Most schools have dress codes that are enforced. Would I allow her to wear it to school if she could? Hell NO! They are there to learn not get off on all the skin showing.
The gun.. maybe a lever action rifle, pump shotgun, or a .22 like has been mentioned.
Kaylee
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Cute pictures!
I dunno as changing the MP5 to a service rifle would change a darn thing for them that get panic attacks seeing a kid with a gun. Maybe to a little .22 or a .30-30 or somesuch, but I like this one.
(Besides, on semi, I bet the low recoil of the MP makes it a dandy gun to learn on for a slight young'n. )
I dunno as changing the MP5 to a service rifle would change a darn thing for them that get panic attacks seeing a kid with a gun. Maybe to a little .22 or a .30-30 or somesuch, but I like this one.
(Besides, on semi, I bet the low recoil of the MP makes it a dandy gun to learn on for a slight young'n.
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marksman13
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Like Blackfork, i think the shock value wears as I view the posters more often. The only way you are going to get kids to start shooting is to make shooting look fun and contemporary. If it takes a 13 year old in short shorts to convince another 13 year old in short shorts to pick up shooting then so be it. We have to adjust to the society we are in whether we like it or not. As our nation and it's non-shooting public progresses, we must progress as well. If we continue to to hold the status quo, we will be pushed aside as the gun grabbers move forward.
Oleg, I think you did a great job of making this poster appeal to the non shooting public. The initial shock is good. It draws attention to the poster. We want the average American to see these "evil black rifles" more and more, until they are used to seeing them. If we continue to show these firearms in a positive light we can only win. Look at how much positive press the AR-15 has gotten since Zumbo's remarks. Good poster, Oleg. Keep it up.
Oleg, I think you did a great job of making this poster appeal to the non shooting public. The initial shock is good. It draws attention to the poster. We want the average American to see these "evil black rifles" more and more, until they are used to seeing them. If we continue to show these firearms in a positive light we can only win. Look at how much positive press the AR-15 has gotten since Zumbo's remarks. Good poster, Oleg. Keep it up.
a few things about the 2nd image.
No, I don't think it is a 'pornographic' image, and it is what you will see many kids wearing at the mall but even at the summer camp shooting event they aren't going to show up in flipflops.
nor are they going to use SMGs.
I'd put shoes on the feet, casual looking ones of course, to give that 'average teen going shooting' look, but then under that theory, i'd also give the girl an 'average teen goes shooting gun' something like a ruger 10-22 will be just fine, or holding a .22 pistol.
The flip side of the image is if you are going to go unrealistic but throw the images together in there to carry the message, have the girl in a basketball uniform, holding the buzzgun, earmuffs, and shooting glasses
No, I don't think it is a 'pornographic' image, and it is what you will see many kids wearing at the mall but even at the summer camp shooting event they aren't going to show up in flipflops.
nor are they going to use SMGs.
I'd put shoes on the feet, casual looking ones of course, to give that 'average teen going shooting' look, but then under that theory, i'd also give the girl an 'average teen goes shooting gun' something like a ruger 10-22 will be just fine, or holding a .22 pistol.
The flip side of the image is if you are going to go unrealistic but throw the images together in there to carry the message, have the girl in a basketball uniform, holding the buzzgun, earmuffs, and shooting glasses
mustanger98
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If ya'll notice, since Zumbo made those remarks, even he himself has made a move to get educated on AR's.
If I had a daughter, I wouldn't encourage her to dress like that, but in hot weather, it is quite common in my part of the country also.
Like Blackfork said, shock's wearing off. That said, a kid will learn on the firearms available to them. As I said, and still say, my sister and I didn't learn on anything resembling a burpgun. If the burpgun's available, why not? But I'd rate it as a fun gun for plinking rather than a serious squirrel rifle or service rifle. I think that distinction deserves to be made.
If I had a daughter, I wouldn't encourage her to dress like that, but in hot weather, it is quite common in my part of the country also.
Like Blackfork said, shock's wearing off. That said, a kid will learn on the firearms available to them. As I said, and still say, my sister and I didn't learn on anything resembling a burpgun. If the burpgun's available, why not? But I'd rate it as a fun gun for plinking rather than a serious squirrel rifle or service rifle. I think that distinction deserves to be made.
HellsBelle
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I think this one is great...especially the second shot.
You'd be 100% correct in saying that more accidents happen in Cheerleading. I was one for a number of years and in the days of mini trampolines we saw people sustain very serious injuries (if not death) from falls taken from these. UCA finally eliminated them from competition the last year I was in.
I'll let this new girl get all the new attention. Until the next time I come to Nashville, that is!
You'd be 100% correct in saying that more accidents happen in Cheerleading. I was one for a number of years and in the days of mini trampolines we saw people sustain very serious injuries (if not death) from falls taken from these. UCA finally eliminated them from competition the last year I was in.
I'll let this new girl get all the new attention. Until the next time I come to Nashville, that is!
HellsBelle
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Jealous???
Oleg Volk
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HellsBelle,
Tell your BF to hurry up and move so we can all go shoot!
Tell your BF to hurry up and move so we can all go shoot!
I think the pictures are great! My daughter is 14 and I have no problems with the clothes the young lady is wearing, or the gun with which she is posing. Heck, I have tons of pics of both my kids posing with everything from a .44 revolver to an AR-15!
I agree with marksman13 who said that if we are going to try and get our kids to start showing an interest in shooting, we need to make shooting look fun and contemporary. Our children need to learn about guns: how to shoot, clean, care for and respect a weapon. One day their lives may depend on it......
I agree with marksman13 who said that if we are going to try and get our kids to start showing an interest in shooting, we need to make shooting look fun and contemporary. Our children need to learn about guns: how to shoot, clean, care for and respect a weapon. One day their lives may depend on it......
Frog48
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My buddies and I go to the range all the time in shorts and flip-flops.
Sistema1927
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Wow, tough audience!
Oleg, once again, good work.
Oleg, once again, good work.
Geronimo45
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Well... you ought to know by now that Oleg supports the right to bare arms.
mustanger98
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Well... you ought to know by now that Oleg supports the right to bare arms.
Yeah, and legs too.
Oh, sorry, didn't mean to be vulgar... I mean limbs... that's strange, only a bird can walk on a limb.
Crimper-D
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Nice Work (as usual) Oleg the impact is what it's about and you get the message across Nitpicking about 'dresscodes' detracts...... don't change anything!
the impact is what it's about and you get the message across Nitpicking about 'dresscodes' detracts...... don't change anything!Eye protection? Check!
Hearing protection? Check!
The same kind of shorts and tank tops that girls were wearing 25 years ago? Check!
Pornographic? I don't think so, maybe it was just 90 freaking degrees that day. If I could wear my stock system shorts without being accused of trying to be a Navy Seal or LT. J. Dangle I would go for it.
Hearing protection? Check!
The same kind of shorts and tank tops that girls were wearing 25 years ago? Check!
Pornographic? I don't think so, maybe it was just 90 freaking degrees that day. If I could wear my stock system shorts without being accused of trying to be a Navy Seal or LT. J. Dangle I would go for it.
kungfuhippie
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Dressing her up like a hunter or the typical kid I knew in 4-H would do harm to the point. The poster is to try and help educate liberal-hippy types, not pro RKBA types. I don't like the attire personally, but the point that Oleg is making is that any girl can be a marksman markswoman??? and that it's a safe sport. I'd go for a wooden-stocked rifle since the point is to educate people that are anti. Step by step, once they get over their fear of a wood stocked marlin .22 then we can work on the EBR fear.
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