Coyote to Moose
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KodiakBeer
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30.06.
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DM~
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I've been useing my Krieghoff Semper,
For everything from small game/fox/coyotes to moose and bear for many years now... The 8mm 200NP at 2,550fps works VERY well, even on bigger big game,
and also on some pretty nice whitetails,
It has worked out perfectly for all of my hunting...
DM
For everything from small game/fox/coyotes to moose and bear for many years now... The 8mm 200NP at 2,550fps works VERY well, even on bigger big game,
and also on some pretty nice whitetails,
It has worked out perfectly for all of my hunting...
DM
BikerRN
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Given that longer range shots are the "norm" around here I would opt for the .300 Win Mag, but anything in .308 to .300 WM will work fine.
My two gun arsenal is composed of a .308, for the "30-06 Lite" and a .300 Win Mag for the "30-06 Heavy". In there may be a clue or two, in that everything is focused around the 30-06.
BikerRN
My two gun arsenal is composed of a .308, for the "30-06 Lite" and a .300 Win Mag for the "30-06 Heavy". In there may be a clue or two, in that everything is focused around the 30-06.
BikerRN
I've always been torn between the 308 and 30-06. I like the shorter action and bit lighter weight of the 308. The 30-06 provides a little more punch and range.
Lately I've been thinking the 300 WSM may be the best of everything, especially if you are a handloader. I can get a rifle in a package the same size and weight as my 308's and by handloading can duplicate 308 performance and recoil. If needed I can buy, or load ammo that will exceed the 30-06.
130 gr bullets @ 3500 fps for long range Coyote or varmits. 150's @ around 2800-2900 fps will duplicate the 308 or 30-06 for general purpose deer hunting. 180's @ near 3100 fps for bigger stuff and long range.
Lately I've been thinking the 300 WSM may be the best of everything, especially if you are a handloader. I can get a rifle in a package the same size and weight as my 308's and by handloading can duplicate 308 performance and recoil. If needed I can buy, or load ammo that will exceed the 30-06.
130 gr bullets @ 3500 fps for long range Coyote or varmits. 150's @ around 2800-2900 fps will duplicate the 308 or 30-06 for general purpose deer hunting. 180's @ near 3100 fps for bigger stuff and long range.
tango2echo
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DM, isn't that a Krieghoff Optima? It is my understanding that the Semper is an inline repeater now called the Sempiro.
BTW, what does that rifle cost now days?
Thanks
T2e
BTW, what does that rifle cost now days?
Thanks
T2e
Art Eatman
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I'd go with the '06 and work on down to include squirrels with one 00 Buck ahead of five grains of pistol powder.
WTBguns10kOK
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.243
grubbylabs
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I too have a 308 and 300 win mag.
sliverflinger
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6.5 Swede have done coyote,elk, mulie, pronghorn ,and moose. The critters didn't know it wasn't big, or hot enough.
DM~
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My Krieghoff IS a Semper model, it was made in 1935 and i bought it from the guy that owned it since the 40's... Of course, i've restored it to what it is today, turning it into my "go to" hunting gun that i always dreamed of owning.
I don't know what one exactly like it would cost today, but i do know a good usable drilling can be bought for $1500.00 or a bit over today, IF one looks around and is willing to wait for a decent one to show up.
It's easily the BEST hunting/"go to gun" i've ever owned or shot, and also easy to carry at 7 pounds, is VERY accurate and ready for anything that comes along that i may want to harvest for my table.
DM
CoRoMo
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Forever .270 Winchester
sourdough44
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308.
Smokey in PHX
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I really prefer the 300 Mag, .270, and .308 over the 30-06. But if I had to do everything with only one rifle I would take the 30-06.
Flintknapper
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I would have to lean toward the 30.06, but my first question to you would be:
Do you reload? Whether you do or don't can make the viability of any of the mentioned cartridges a consideration.
Do you reload? Whether you do or don't can make the viability of any of the mentioned cartridges a consideration.
MCgunner
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When did it become against the law to own more than one gun? Am I in trouble now?
Sav .250
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There are a lot of rifles that would fill that roll but I`d go for the ...30-06.
sugarmaker
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I'd have to go with a .308. Reasons (from guns I own...)
'06 vs 308 - 308 Milsurp ammo is cheap, short action, .308 IS more accurate but they're close enough that normal hunting it won't matter. Power is virtually the same. Guess it's a cost issue.
375HH vs 308: The H&H has tradition, I love hearing the asparagus sized rounds thunk into the chamber. I have a very high recoil tolerance and find the HH fun to shoot with 300gr SBT's at 2650fps. But: It uses lots of powder, bullets are $$, and most people can't shoot it well enough to hit a coyote at 300 yards (which it is very capable of doing)
.340 Weatherby vs .308: If you tolerate recoil w/o flinching, and you reload the .340 has unmatched ballistics. Basicly a .270 with the punch of a 375HH. 340 has a very sharp recoil punch and concussive muzzle blast. Prone shooting from a bipod is punishing, even for me. Watch the scope etc. shooting prone or she'll move your eyebrow to the other side of your head. I find the .308 easier to practice with and the 340 forces a recoil oriented technique vs an accuracy oriented technique, hence the .340 is mostly a safe queen.
223 / ar-15 vs 308: Love the AR, cheap ammo, accurate, great for plinking and competition, but it's not a moose gun, period.
243 vs 308: I deer hunted with a .243, 95 gr Noslers are deadly for an open shot / good placement, but on a moose it might limit my ability to shoot if presentation was not perfect.
All of my lever guns (25-20 to 45-70) - not really suited for long range.
7-08 vs 308: 7-08 is a better target gun as the recoil is less, but the cheap milsurp ammo and xtra bullet weight of 30cal win for the moose.
270 vs 308: Love my 270. This one is tough. Cheap practice ammo w/o reloading (I'm sometimes lazy...) wins for .308. Otherwise we're splitting hairs, .270 is a bit better for ballistics but the pillar bedded .308 M700 is just so accurate...
.257 weatherby vs .308: I used to coyote hunt extensively with this gun. Loved the mark 5, but I shot out the barrel. It did amazing things to small animals at very long ranges. I couldn't sell pelts from this gun but the price had dropped to $5 in the early 80's and it wasn't worth skinning them. The .308 is more accurate and the barrel will last long enough to find an accurate load.
6.5 Jap / 7mm mauser / 8mm Mauser / 22-250 / etc. have their place but a .308 is more versatile.
Personally I've done very poorly as selecting 1 gun for everything, but get a .308 and it'll get you started.
'06 vs 308 - 308 Milsurp ammo is cheap, short action, .308 IS more accurate but they're close enough that normal hunting it won't matter. Power is virtually the same. Guess it's a cost issue.
375HH vs 308: The H&H has tradition, I love hearing the asparagus sized rounds thunk into the chamber. I have a very high recoil tolerance and find the HH fun to shoot with 300gr SBT's at 2650fps. But: It uses lots of powder, bullets are $$, and most people can't shoot it well enough to hit a coyote at 300 yards (which it is very capable of doing)
.340 Weatherby vs .308: If you tolerate recoil w/o flinching, and you reload the .340 has unmatched ballistics. Basicly a .270 with the punch of a 375HH. 340 has a very sharp recoil punch and concussive muzzle blast. Prone shooting from a bipod is punishing, even for me. Watch the scope etc. shooting prone or she'll move your eyebrow to the other side of your head. I find the .308 easier to practice with and the 340 forces a recoil oriented technique vs an accuracy oriented technique, hence the .340 is mostly a safe queen.
223 / ar-15 vs 308: Love the AR, cheap ammo, accurate, great for plinking and competition, but it's not a moose gun, period.
243 vs 308: I deer hunted with a .243, 95 gr Noslers are deadly for an open shot / good placement, but on a moose it might limit my ability to shoot if presentation was not perfect.
All of my lever guns (25-20 to 45-70) - not really suited for long range.
7-08 vs 308: 7-08 is a better target gun as the recoil is less, but the cheap milsurp ammo and xtra bullet weight of 30cal win for the moose.
270 vs 308: Love my 270. This one is tough. Cheap practice ammo w/o reloading (I'm sometimes lazy...) wins for .308. Otherwise we're splitting hairs, .270 is a bit better for ballistics but the pillar bedded .308 M700 is just so accurate...
.257 weatherby vs .308: I used to coyote hunt extensively with this gun. Loved the mark 5, but I shot out the barrel. It did amazing things to small animals at very long ranges. I couldn't sell pelts from this gun but the price had dropped to $5 in the early 80's and it wasn't worth skinning them. The .308 is more accurate and the barrel will last long enough to find an accurate load.
6.5 Jap / 7mm mauser / 8mm Mauser / 22-250 / etc. have their place but a .308 is more versatile.
Personally I've done very poorly as selecting 1 gun for everything, but get a .308 and it'll get you started.
texas chase
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I love the fact that 2 people have posted .243 and 6.5x55. I have recently come to the realization that for the most part, we are overgunned. Nothing wrong with that - I feel like a man should be able to own, shoot and hunt with whatever he sees fit and likes! However, I think we can do more than we think with a lot of the smaller calibers. Just my $0.02.
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