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We have had our differences so I'm probably included, at least in part, in the reference above. But I think you realize I'm open minded and civil enough to realize that I don't know everything and I'm willing to learn.... but will also need a pretty compelling argument to change my beliefs.
I agree with you are open minded and deserve a compelling argument.
Having said that....
I don't believe in UBC in any of the proposals Im familiar with. Maybe there is one... but I haven't seen it yet.
Neither do I.
I think there is too much Govt in our lives and the Govt has repeatedly demonstrated that they only try to prosecute such a minority of the BC/4473 form violations that its laughable in a not so funny way.
I also believe, as others have said, that the anti 2A politicians don't negotiate in good faith.
I agree that the anti 2A politicians don't negotiate in good faith. I believe in hard and fast written legal language not promises of intent.
I also don't believe that you can legislate morality. We, collectively, are ultimately our own police.
I do believe.. or hope for... that there was a way for sellers is Private Party Transfers (PPT) to be able to do a BC before they sell. It should be a purely Go/No Go answer and a S/N isn't needed.
I agree about the limits of legislation. That type of BC procedure is far more preferable than most.
I do recognize that being able to trace a crime gun is a good thing but, again, I haven't seen a proposal yet that isn't ripe for abuse or has already been abused to screw over the law abiding guy.
I am not even sure if the current gun tracing system is really that significant in criminal apprehension.
The idea for having a contingency plan is part of the planing to limit a BC from abusing the law abiding.
My beef in these recent threads is that we continue to allow ourselves to be portrayed as wanting to hide in the shadows doing dubious things.
Some of us are attempting to prevent that perception by having the patience to continue participating in these threads.
And that the argument of ' You'll never stop 100% of them so all BC check should go away.' just isn't working. It isn't compelling to the average voter.
I agree. Apparently some other THR members also agree.
Having said all that....... I'm not readily in favor of negotiating with the Anti's.
I not either. I am in favor of creating tactics we can supply to our legislators to ensure strategic victory.
I'm in favor of getting more people on or side through raising awareness and educating the fence sitters and hopefully getting more of the mildly anti voters on our side. The rabid anti's are probably a lost cause other than the ones that may/will follow the Pro 2A wave that we need to create.
Agreed.
IMO, this should be a an "Activism Discussion and Planning " thread to do what I said above, not a Negotiating thread.
Well it could be but I think it premature. This thread is about getting suggestions for use in a contingency plan, not any specific acts of activism. I also fear that because of that this thread will rapidly disappear from view if moved from General Discussion.
But I'll participate in a civil discussion.... and hopefully convince others that I'm right.
Thank you for the civility and good luck.