Crime-scene photo unsettling to some

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Crime-scene photo unsettling to some
01/25/2003

By JACQUIELYNN FLOYD / The Dallas Morning News

The large photograph that appeared in Friday's paper – the trade argot is "centerpiece art" – gave rise to a lot of discussion by virtue of having had a dead person in it.

The picture was taken outside a Far North Dallas home, where a resident had shot and killed two intruders who tried to break in early Thursday. One of the apparent burglars died in the apartment, and the other collapsed and died outside.

A photographer for The Dallas Morning News captured what is actually a fairly routine crime-scene scenario. A Dallas Police Department spokesman stands in the front yard, addressing the knot of reporters gathered there. A couple of uniformed officers stand in the background. Over the spokesman's left shoulder, in the distance, the body of the second burglar lies facedown next to a sidewalk.

In this case, the medical examiner's representatives had not yet arrived to record their observations, so the body had not yet been covered with the discreet sheet that is usually draped over corpses in news photographs.

People are surely pretty used to seeing news pictures or film footage of covered-up bodies being wheeled away on gurneys, but a photo of an uncovered dead guy in the spot where he fell is certainly a departure from the norm.

And it caused a lot of debate, both inside the newsroom and out, which I think is probably a useful thing. Some found the photo shocking, not because it was gory or graphic (it wasn't), but because it so starkly depicted the discordant reality of violent death in an otherwise ordinary setting.

I wasn't especially shocked, but then, I have been to crime scenes. They usually involve a lot of standing around and waiting for somebody to tell you what's going on.

That isn't to say I didn't go a little rubber-kneed the first few times I saw a body not at a funeral home. It is the realization – that person is actually dead – that shakes you up a little, and that I think struck a lot of people who saw Friday's photograph.

The News, as well as television stations that ran footage of the scene, took some heat over the decision to show the body.

Editors for DallasNews.com, the web site of The Dallas Morning News, decided Friday to crop the body out of the photo before posting it online. Saturday, the paper's decision to run this photo with the dead person in it has become the focus of much discussion.

"If that's 'cutting edge' journalism, then I'm out!" one irate reader e-mailed several members of our staff. Even one editor in our newsroom said he "couldn't stand to look" at the photograph because he knew the person lying in the background was dead.

Others, though, said they saw little departure from the now-routine shrouded-corpse-on-the-gurney photos. Some said they're more distressed by graphic written descriptions of crimes or injuries. Some are so hard-boiled they could probably look at autopsy pictures over their morning oatmeal. Everybody's threshold for the offensive or the prurient is different.

Perhaps I am out of line with the prevailing sentiment, but in truth I would have been a lot less comfortable had the photo shown an innocent victim of an accident or a homicide.

A picture of a lone shoe at the scene of a plane crash can make me weepy. Photos of hollow-eyed kids and even skinny dogs in the streets of cities wrecked by war and poverty sometimes haunt my imagination. Even the grainy battlefield pictures of slain Civil War soldiers convey a terrible sense of loss and tragedy after nearly a century and a half.

But, to me, a distant and not particularly graphic picture of a dead burglar – albeit an unconvicted one – isn't especially unsettling.

I'm not saying burglars deserve to be shot. But I do think this particular photo offers a grim, realistic glimpse of the damage crime and criminals create in our city every day.

In this case, the photo showed what any Far North Dallas passer-by would have seen.

It's not a photo from Tel Aviv or the West Bank. It's not a war zone or a dangerous, rundown neighborhood plagued by street gangs and crack houses.

It's an ordinary apartment house with a tree by the front walk, with two cars and a tricycle visible in the open garage.

Except for the police officers in the yard and the dead guy in the flower bed, it's a home and a neighborhood where any of us might live.

And that, maybe, is the part that's really so shocking.

http://www.dallasnews.com/localnews/columnists/jfloyd/stories/012503dnmetfloyd.c43d.html

I didn't post this with the other article about the actual shooting, because I felt that this was a subject all of it's own. Do you think these type of photos serve as a warning, or do they simply numb us to events?

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If criminals were to see enough photographs of other criminals shot and killed by law-abiding American citizens, they might think twice. I doubt many would think twice, but if it saves even one life, you know?
 
Drizz,

You know 10yrs ago I would have said that was out of line and disrespectful of the dead. Today I say, snap a closer photo, put it on a poster and title it,

"This is what happens when you attempt to trifle with others lives and property."

To the younger generation they have no respect for their fellow man and have no realization of the stark realities of what can happen during a crime they are commiting. They don't realize they could be the one lying face down on the edge of the sidewalk for the world to see. I think we have moved away from graphic deterents because we find it brutal, uncivilized, or just to plain harsh, and I think our country is paying for that move everyday.

When I was a kid, my dad drug me out to the street and showed me a frog that had been hit by a car. Then he told me, "You'll end up looking like that if you play in the street." The lesson stuck and I rarely cross a street without recalling those words and that image, I was probably 4 or 5 when that happened and am 28 today.
 
Do you think these type of photos serve as a warning, or do they simply numb us to events?
Judging by the number of my daily human-to-sheeple encounters, I'd like to take a chance and see if it might wake a few folks up! I already have numbheads aplenty where I live. :uhoh: :scrutiny: :fire:
 
I think it is good on some levels for these types of photos to be shown in the media. I think it would be better if they were on tv, though, because I doubt many criminals read the daily newspaper. There is more of a human link when you actually see the body and not just a covered up corpse on a gurney.

And if criminals know what they face in commiting their crimes, then they might start getting the picture. When car jackings were the new wave of criminal activity, and laws were passed that allowed for people to carry guns in their cars without special permits, there was a decline in such activities. That was definetly the case here where I live.
 
Numbed? Don't be silly. This type photo should be run every time a criminal dies like that along with an inset face shot of the dead perp. The public needs to see them serve as examples to mommas everywhere about how their "good kids at heart" will end up if they don't straighten out.

Public hangings had a great "teach at home" effect we never read about in the history books, IMO.
 
Disrespectful of the dead? Maybe so, but they don't know it.

I don't have any problem with dead bad guys being shown. It may bother their families, but all in all, the dead folks should have considered the potential impacts of their untimely demises and how that information might be conveyed to their families before they committed the crime.

If the good guy is dead, I am not for showing the image as no doubt he didn't have a chose, more than likely, to give thought to the potential concerns of how his family members might feel.

Does this type of photo serve as a warning to bad guys? Probably not. First, they are going to have the attitude or belief that such events won't happen to them. Next, for the warning to work, the potential future bad guys have to be readers of the newspaper. Many don't or can't read and many would not waste money on a newspaper, so I don't think the image serves as a warning at all.
 
I guess it's a generational thing. I don't like to see photos of "just folks" who got killed. It's disrespectful to innocent folks' privacy.

But some dead Bad Guy? Doesn't bother me one iota. Heck, they oughta have'em for sale, like the Old West outlaws' pictures which were taken after they were killed by The Posse. Post'em in public buildings. "One less problem for you to worry about."

Our society works real hard at pretending that death doesn't happen. Forty years back, it was already so hypocritical that Jessica Mitford wrote her best-seller about the funeral industry, "The American Way of Death". Me, bein' the CFO that I am, I still thing in terms of "Undertaker", "Funeral parlor" and "grave-digger".

Millions of people apparently didn't really know that bullets, bombs, napalm and land mines are Bad Things, producing blood, pain and screams--until TV brought that from Vietnam to their living rooms. Duh?

Heck, look how fast we clean up after a highway wreck. Can't have folks thinking it could happen to them, now, could we?

By and large we've become a nation of wussies, as evidenced by the Pitiful PETA People, the MMM doofi and the like.

"Yes, Virginia, Art does have a negative attitude about Santy Claws."

:), Art
 
Why is it that a photo of a real dead perp is dehumanizing and insensitive but the 50,000 tV images (or whatever the huge number is) of same that kids in our society watch is ok?

I realize this will turn off the truly "modern and enlightened", but I now read the Torah (bible) to cull the wisdom proven and collected over thousands of years and available to anybody who would take the trouble to read it.

In the Jewish Publication Society's translation, each sentence in Deuteronomy describing a capital offence ends with, "...so that Israel shall remain pure." Were they really brutal and primitive? Or, by avoiding the harsh necessity to punish criminals, is it really we who are so?

Are not those who would go easy on killers complicit in their subsequent killings?

As it says in Talmud, "Those who are kind to the cruel will end by being cruel to the kind.

Matis
 
hey,as long as there wasnt blood pooling around the deceased intruder,it not that bad.people who have become shocked at the sight of "a dead person",think,yuck.the photo sends a good message and seemingly would be a deterrent of itself.the photo would be bad for the deceased relatives though.
 
Big deal.

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Sad that anybody had to get dusted, but better them than us. Let it stand as evidence of what can happen when you go poking around somebody else's tepee.
 
It doesn't go far enough, in my opinion. Every homeowner and business owner in the US who shoots a felon in self defense should be able to acquire a death mask of the felon to mount on a spike out front...right next to a row of empty, waiting spikes.


And if that hurts the feelings of the felon's relatives...hey, stop raising hoodlums.
 
As Art mentioned, in the old west there were pictures of dead famous bad guys for sale. Weren't the bodies of the James/Younger gang displayed in a store window for a few days naked to the waist so everyone could see the various new holes in their chests?

I think that it needs to be shown for a couple of reasons. One, future goblins may see it and decide against doing the crime (doubtful, but if it saves just one innocent homeowner from having to shoot.... ). Two, it may wake up some of the masses that there are bad people out there and that if it comes down to it that it is better for the bad guy to be laying there than them.

I don't know about photos where 1/2 the guys head is missing or big puddles of blood, but that one was acceptable. Kind of looks like a drunk passed out in the bushes. :D

Greg
 
its always been done in the past anyhow.yes,shirtless-bulletholed corpses were put on public display and photos taken as momentos.i believe there was pictures in the roaring 20s as well. seemed some of these had all the good stuff left in like pooling blood and blown off faces.today,it seems,its just not something to show in public,part of the "its too offensive thing" again.hate to say it but its time to wake up and smell the smoke.
 
Oooohhhh, Jim, that was bad. :D

For the average soccer mom, that photo might be disturbing. Maybe I'm desensitized; certainly my wife thinks so. She can't understand how I can sit and eat a pizza while watching the chainsaw scene in "Scarface," or the scene where James Caan gets machine-gunned in "The Godfather."
 
I was shocked the DMN ran the photo from a PC standpoint. At first I thought it must have been unintended, an accident or mix-up. Now I'm not too sure.
Having seen a body or three I'll always be shocked to see the next one, but not a picture of one.

For some reason I would not be surprised of the family of the BGs tries to sue this fellow/family.
I hope the police can come to some conclusions as to why these people tried this.

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