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Don Gwinn

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Why do people carry at home and do other paranoid things? Because danger and fear intrude when they're the furthest thing from your mind. It's really quite rude, if you ask me.

So tonight, about 11 o'clock local time, I'm here in the living room while my wife is asleep in the next room. We're using the front parlor, complete with big picture window, as a bedroom while we restore the upstairs. She's off to sleep while I'm sweating the details of her grand birthday surprise for tomorrow. I'm perfectly happy to be sweating the details of my wife's birthday surprise. I eat this stuff up. I'm happy and have not a care in the world except how I'm going to transport all the surprise stuff to the car without her knowing it.

Then she screams and I hear feet pounding. Before I can get to the room, she has crossed it and thrown the big pocket doors wide. Her eyes are huge and she's almost stumbling with fear. Now I know we're in trouble! She's stammering and babbling, unable to get words out, but I catch the drift that there's a window involved. That room has a very large, 10' wide picture window that looks out on the front porch and a much smaller but still very tall window that looks out on the side yard. I concentrated on the side window, which turned out to be wrong, but it's flimsy and has the cellar door under it like a ramp. I was not carrying a firearm, though I did have my Spydie, so I grabbed a Glock 30 with night sights and a small LED flashlight I keep handy.

The first thing I did was look out the smaller window. Nothing. My wife told me then that whatever she'd seen was out the front picture window through the thin white curtains we keep drawn over it. She has woken up to hallucinations of nightmare monsters before, so by now she had already begun to insist that she had probably been dreaming. I asked her to get the cell phone and wait in the middle of the house near the kids' door (about where I had been working) and call if anything happened. I shut off the interior light in this room and went to the front door to switch on the porch light outside. With that on, anyone still lurking out on that porch would be well lit while I would not. Checking the entire porch necessitated checking through that door, then going to the front room and checking out the picture window. This I did, and no one was to be seen.

At this point, she has decided that she imagined the whole thing. She's ready to have a glass of water and forget about it. I'm not entirely certain, though I lean that way. On the other hand, I don't want to call the police for nothing, and the dogs are not acting suspicious. So I decide to do what they tell you not to do--leave the security of the house to investigate the outside.
I put Oreo, my horse-sized black mutt, on a stout leash which I hold loose in my left hand while carrying my Glock in my right. I am careful to keep the pistol well away from the leash. The plan is that if I encounter someone, Oreo will give me plenty of warning and I can hold the BG. If he refuses to be held, I can slip the leash so that I have two hands to use on my firearm and he has a dog hanging from his crotch.

Oreo was perfectly calm all the way around the house, and frankly delighted to be going for a walk in the dark. She never even seemed to catch a scent for very long, which implied to me that no strange person had been lurking outside our window.

I was glad to find that we were not in actual danger, but it shook me up a bit. I'm seriously considering carrying at home as a rule now. I can't really have quick access to a stashed gun without being nervous about my sons, but I don't want to have slow access if I need a weapon immediately. My beloved Stinger is biting the dust, and the small LED job wouldn't have done me much good outside. I've got to get a new battery for the Streamlight and then look into a smaller "serious" flashlight like one of the smaller Surefires. Wouldn't be bad to have one of those in my back pocket at night.

I was very, very glad to have the dogs tonight. Without them I would not have been certain what happened; since they didn't notice the prowler, I am reasonably sure there wasn't one.
 
Don,
Sounds like you pretty well handled it. The downside is that you left your family unprotected should you fall victim to an ambush. Now, if your wife was also armed and prepared to use deadly force in defense of herself and the children, -------that's another story! I am a police officer and I get a lot of prowler calls. It's my job to check them out. I never consider it a bother to respond to one of these calls. I bet the officers in your city feel the same way. Under your circumstances, as I understand them, next time I would call the police and wait inside with your family while they check it out. Don't come out of the house untill an officer comes to the door. Much safer for everyone!! And yes, even at home you should consider keeping your firearm on your person. That's the safest place for it with kids in the house.
Home invasions are far too common these days!
Stay Safe,
str1
 
Been There Myself

The Mrs. and I were sitting on the couch one night about 10:30 talking. The TV was off and my daughter was in bed, so the house was very quiet. We had only one lamp on, so I'm sure the house had the stereotypical look of a house where the residents have gone out for the evening.

That's when we hear the front door latch being tested very softly. We look at each other with the classic "Did you hear that?!" expression. Then we hear it again.

I bounced off the sofa and retrieved my 45 and the phone while the wife shut off the lamp. We called 911 and looked out of all of the windows, but whoever was rattling the door was long gone.

Scary stuff!
 
one time i was on my way home from a late night party. i was 16 and not very smart. i remember opening my front door only to realize that i was standing in someone elses living room. ooops!!! i quickly left.:uhoh:
 
Okay, I am confused. What does carrying at home seen as being rude have to do with the story? Was that just the clarification to let us know why you didn't have a gun on your person? I would be curious to know why it is rude. The notion of carrying at home being rude seems to imbue some greater negative emotion to guns.

So the wife has a history of something like night terrors and she had claimed she saw something in the big window with closed curtains? Given the hour and the aspect that the light wasn't already on outside, I am wondering how should could have seen something outside, or do you have a lot of ambient night light where you are? Granted the moon is about 3/4 right now.

So maybe she had a night terror, but that doesn't rule out something having been there. You turned on the exterior lights. Good. Why did you go outside? There was no reason for it from a safety standpoint. You made an assessment that was improbable and likely quite dangerous. You assumed that there was ONLY ONE bad guy and that if your pup found that person, the pup would grab on the crotch of that person and then you could do whatever with your Glock (hold at gunpoint, shoot, whatever). There is as much chance the alledged person would have been part of a team as it would have been a single. Had your dog spotted one, both you and your dog would end up focusing all your attention on that one person (as that is the known threat) and you likely would have completely missed any other players. This is one of the reasons why you don't go outside your house if you don't need to do so when there is a possible threat. You went from a known safe location inside the home to an unknown situation outside. Locally, we had a situation a few years back where a homeowner apparently had one intruder at gunpoint for a while when came a blinding light and then nothing. Apparently the man held at gunpoint had a partner who clubbed the guy in the back of the head. Both apparently fled, taking his gun along the way. He got lucky, very lucky.

I think you have made to very good assessments. First is having a gun handy. I understand about not stashing because of kids, but you might consider locked stashes. For example, I know folks with a couple of wall lockers, one in the main family room and one in their bedroom. Each has a pistol in it and their locations provide access from two of the main areas of the home. Their kids don't have the combination.

And yes, you need a better flashlight, at least 2 cells if you are talking about a Surefire or even something like a Streamlight Scorpion.
 
I think you had no prowler since your dogs didn't react. What you did to ascertain that was fine, although any hypothetical after action analysis is subject to debate. Good job, Don!
 
I understand your desire to leave the house. Checking around the outside of the house and finding nothing gave you a sense of security that you never would have gotten by just staying inside.

I treat the protection of my family as if I was a Executive Protection specialist and they were my clients. For me, thinking about it like that helps me remember that the safety of the client is the top priority. If I was really doing that job and my client had seen something outside their window, the last thing I would do is go outside and leave the client alone in the house.

Save yourself first. If you get taken out, how can you save your family? It seems to me that a pretty sound tactic would be to try and draw the protection (you) away from the target. Don't get baited into a situation you can't control.
 
I'm seriously considering carrying at home as a rule now.

May I suggest a small pocket gun for the house carry. Each person must find their own balance between firepower and carryability.

For spending time around the house doing regular "house" things, small and unobtrusive is the way to go. It's just to give you some time to get to the more effective firepower that is most surely in every THR household.

I personally suggest either a .32 auto or perhaps a lightweight .38 snub.

Good luck with your choice, stay safe.
 
Well, I carry at home ALL the time, except when in bed or the shower.

We live on 40 acres out in the hills. A pretty safe "neighborhood" but if something does happen we are 30-45 minutes from a sheriff deputy response.

One time we had a sort of scroungy looking couple show up on our porch suddenly. The dogs hadn't even barked. It turned out that they had a flat and their spare was also flat. I took the portable phone out on the deck for them to call somebody. (long distance of course, everything is out here)

They were "okay" as far as I could tell (I have been known to look "scroungy" myself at times) but who knows if it could have been some fugitive(s) looking for a ride, cash, or ?????:eek: I was glad I had my 357 on my hip at any rate.
 
I may become a laughingstock for this, but what the hell. When I carry at home, which I routinely do, comfort is all that matters since there is no need for concealment. So, my "carry in da house" rig is a standard issue GI pistol belt w/ a Springfield mil spec in a Bianchi holster and a couple extra magazines in a double pouch. Very comfortable and easy to put on and take off as needed. On a typical evening you will find me wearing just this rig and a pair of boxer briefs as I go about my indoor business. I find this preferable to stashing loaded guns around for a variety of reasons that include safety (I have shared custody of a toddler) and immediate accessability of the gun if it is needed. Moreover, if there is something awry that necessitates a gun, I want a full size piece, not my Guardian or P-32.
 
I suggest a S&W 642

You guys are right: carry at home is realistic, not paranoia.

I had someone try to kick in my front door one night in Las Cruces, NM. I waited inside with a .38 and a cordless phone with the police on the other end. Those 5 rounds of .38 were a huge comfort, as I didn't have time to grab anything bigger.

If you have an all-steel .38, try the Barami Hip Grip for easy, low-profile carry around home. I like the Airweight S&Ws in a pocket, but with the Barami, you could easily hide a 3" J-frame under a light t-shirt, and it doesn't require a belt or pockets.

I also carry at least one knife (currently a Schrade Sharpfinger on my keys), a small flashlight (Streamlight Batonlite) and MY HOUSE AND CAR KEYS. The keys are very important if you have to make a quick exit, due to fire, or whatever. None of this is bulky or a hassle for me, although I remember the statement that a handgun is not supposed comfortable, but rather comforting.

All my best,
Dirty Bob
 
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From Joe Demko:
"So, my "carry in da house" rig is a standard issue GI pistol belt w/ a Springfield mil spec in a Bianchi holster and a couple extra magazines in a double pouch. Very comfortable and easy to put on and take off as needed. On a typical evening you will find me wearing just this rig and a pair of boxer briefs as I go about my indoor business."

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Ohh, man! I just went to a scary visual place! No more details, please! ;-)

The duty belt sounds like a very good idea. I like a t-shirt, knee-length cargo shorts (in summer), and sandals and keep my pistol concealed because it lets me answer the door and accept the package from the nice UPS employee without my fish-belly white, hairy thighs sending them running down my walkway in fear! :)

Dirty Bob
 
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I'm seriously considering carrying at home as a rule now.
Don,

Being able to carry in public is just gravy. The reason I got a gun at all was so I would be able to protect the kids and myself at home. And the reason it's on my hip at home is because a holster was cheaper, faster, and more reliably secure from the kids than any other quick-access option I could think of.

Think about it: You don't know what the boys are up to in the next room. They could be exploring the contents of the safe someone accidentally didn't close all the way, or dismantling the trigger lock on a gun that wasn't hidden well. But they cannot be doing something similar to the gun in the holster on your hip.

pax
 
I think Don did a pretty good job and I also respect Shooter1's suggestion of not going out to investigate but rather allowing the police to do that.

However, let's take that another direction.

I live out in the boonies. Literally. Although I do have a neighbor some distance away.

We have no community police force, of course and our form of defense is the county Sheriff's department. I'll conservatively estimate a 20-30 minute respose time from the call.

Now, my thinking is when my dogs go ape I pretty much assume it's due to wild animals. Even cougars, perhaps. But, being as remote as I am it's always possible that it could be someone taking advantage of that remoteness to break in or worse.

I don't, in reality, carry around my house or property but I do have access to firearms in every room of the house as well as in each of my out buildings when I'm out there.

My question to you all is do you think that if a situation arose to call and wait for a thirty minute (or more) response time while at the same time waiting in the house and waiting for that 'someone' to come through the door or window. Or do I go out and check and see if a wild animal is after my livestock (with the possibility of walking up on an would be intruder)?

I know what I would do but I'm asking to find out how diverse the answers might be.
 
I, too, have dogs. My older dog is a pretty damn good gaurd dog. Trust them.
By leaving the house, you're opening yourself to ambush. If the dog isn't going ballistic, I wouldn't worry too much. If the dog is, call the police, 911, tell them you think you've got a prowler.
 
When I get dressed in the morning, the 1911 goes on the belt. Depending upon the day, a kel-tel and/or j-frame come along as well. I don't take off the 1911 until I undress for bed. It's so very easy that way - I always have a sidearm that does not get in the way. It's part of my daily attire. Since I usually wear pants/shorts with cargo pockets, a good light is always with me as well.

If you make it part of your routine, it will be there if you need it.
 
Navajo,
I have lived as you do. In a rural setting with livestock, you have little choice but to investigate potential danger to your stock. Still you can't become complacent and let your guard down when you must go out to investigate. It is absolutely imparative to have your wife and any other family members involved in your home defense plan. They must be able to defend the base independently untill help arrives. You must develop a plan and perform drills to make sure it works!
Stay vigilant, stay safe!
str1
 
NavajoNPaleFace
My question to you all is do you think that if a situation arose to call and wait for a thirty minute (or more) response time while at the same time waiting in the house and waiting for that 'someone' to come through the door or window. Or do I go out and check and see if a wild animal is after my livestock (with the possibility of walking up on an would be intruder)?
I want to agree that we should protect our selves and our property but I must ask the big question. If you go out and find said prowler and put one between his eyes, won't you get in big trouble? In MI if you shoot somebody your LIFE not tv or car must be in jeopardy, maybe the laws are different in your area but in this state I would have to disagree with you and Don Gwinn just for liability reasons :banghead:

BTW don't take this the wrong way, I do carry and agree with you logic, just giving my opinion on the scenario you described.
 
Don,

Scary situation. Glad it all worked ok for you, although, I probably wouldn't have gone outside.

My wife has had similar sleep halucinations when we first got married. At first it was pretty scary, she would think she saw a face in the window, or a giant spider in the bed. She would wake up screaming bloody murder.

After a couple months of this, we were asleep in bed, when she screamed. I jumped up, grabbed my .357mag, and checked out our apartment. This was a tiny 450 sq ft apt, so I didn't really have to move much. At first I thought I heard a noise outside, but convinced myself otherwise pretty quickly.

I went back to bed.

Right after I fell asleep, I woke up to a noise, jumped out of bed, once again grabbed the revolver, got to the window. Never really saw anything, but I heard someone jump down, and beat feet away from our apartment.

Turns out it wasn't a hallucination.

I.G.B.
 
Let the dog patrol off-leash so it can investigate better.

If you do encounter an intruder, make sure the cops find a knife on him. ;)
 
Vermonter ~

Even a perfectly justified, righteous shoot will get you in big trouble if you tamper with the evidence. And yes, the crime scene usually tells the investigators if someone has tampered with it.

Suggesting people tamper with the evidence is called "subornation of perjury," which is a felony in most jurisdictions.

pax
 
One Suggestion, 12-guage pump gun. I too carry my Walther P99 around the house and have various other sidearms stashed (no kids in the domicile), but if I were to go outside or even patrol through the house, it would be with Matylda, my Mossberg "Persuader" to back me up.

Scatterguns are a little better at crowd control should you find yourself out numbered. I have a mixture of 00, targetshot and slugs in the tube and on the shell holder so I can deal with a variety of situations.

Anyway, don't sweat the AAR, just learn what you can from your assessment and make changes where necessary.

Glad everyone was safe.


Take care.
 
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