Cry wolf!

[cliffy]

Wolves are decimating our Western ungulate herds at an alarming rate. THANK YOU none too much for REINTRODUCING wolves among us. Gray Wolves hybridize with Coyotes and Timberwolves and Large Wild Dogs. A pure Gray Wolf is now a rarity of nature. Wolves ONLY fear People BECAUSE we wield firearms afield and near towns. Imagine an unarmed hiker in a desolated area: WOLF FOOD ALA CARTE. I fear for our children playing in our own back yards. The INSANITY of PROTECTING WOLVES must END! Actually it should have never restarted, since Our Forefathers had the commonsense to irradicate these beastly devils long ago, but some crazy group of people with no commonsense decided to re-introduce them on to American Soil. FOR WHAT PURPOSE! Thank God that Dinosaurs cannot be re-established or we'd have to battle them! WOLVES are dangerous enough for now; thank you too much. Our Forefathers were smarter than we seem to be two-hundred years later. Does anyone bother to READ history, especially European history? Our Wolf situation shall ONLY worsen shortly. cliffy

 

[wyocarp]

That is the way that everyone feels out here Wyoming except for the sierra club types and the rich idiots that move here or buy land here for a cool thing to do but don't really live here. I have no problem shooting every wolf on sight.

 

[caribou]

LOL!LOL!LOL!LOL!!!!!

Good one. I try to shoot every one I see. I hunt them for Fun and profit.

Funny ....its nice having wolves here in Alaska.
They keep our animal poulations in check and healthy.
They kill the wounded, the sick and the old. It keeps the Caribou Herds healthy and sickness's such as cronic wasting disease and brucillosis in check, because the sick animals are eaten, removed from the herd before it can spred through our 500,000 Strong local Caribou herd.....

But wait a minute? Shouldnt the Wolves that have been here as long as the Caribou have wiped them out 10,000+years ago?

How come our Caribou population has grown, and been stedy for 14 years?

Howcome there are no old Inupiaq Eskimo storys about Wolf attacks?

How come the last guy in this region, (The size of Illinois) that was killed by a Wolf attack that gave him Rabies, did so in 1938??

I have never even had a wounded one attack me.

How come I catch Black, Grey and white wolves, and why do the Wolves here EAT Coyotes rather than breed with them?

How do Wolves know that "We" have guns?

What religion are these "Beastly Devils"? and how can an animal other than "Man" be evil?

The world may never know.....
It is America.

 

[Sinixstar]

Guess i'm one of "those" people then. Something about all that NRA literature I used to get about conservation and saving species that are on the verge of extinction back in the late 80s/early 90s must have really sunk in. (If i'm not mistaken they actually mentioned wolves specifically on more then one occasion)

Damn those hippie liberal NRA types!


To make this gun related....

I'm not quite sure i get the mentality of the "get rid of them because they're so dangerous" argument - especially coming from this forum. Any statistics as to the number of people killed by wolves per year? I'm willing to bet it's a fraction of the people killed by guns...

 

[BullpupBen]

I don't even know where to start in criticizing the OP..

 

[Harve Curry]

There was a Canadian grad student killed and ate by wolves about one or two winters ago. The main stream press said it was probably a bear, but no bear sign was found and the bears were in hibernation at the time. Plus the ground was covered wolf sign and the man was full of wolf bites.
Just like when a positive thing happens with a handgun it goes unreported in the news, reintroduced wolf depradations on domestic animals and wildlife goes unreported in main stream news.

Alaska and parts of Canada do not compare to the population density of the lower 48 states. There is no room for wolves to coexist with hunting or ranching

The same organizations and people who want to take away your guns, tax ammo, imprint serial numbers on bullets, outlaw lead bullets, are the same people who are anti hunting and pro wolf.
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Anyone who sides with the wolf reintroduction in the lower 48 states, who cannot realize that fact has their head in the sand and is standing along side with anti gunners and anti hunters.

 

[Art Eatman]

Count me in as one who believes that reintroducing wolves into ranching country is about as intelligent as reintroducing boll weevils into cotton country. Not much ranching in Alaska, so species interrelationships there aren't really germane to the discussion.

I'm dubious toward the idea about interbreeding with domestic dogs and coyotes. If it happens, it seems like an uncommon event. I've lived in a quasi-wilderness area for twenty five years where house-dogs range freely and we have plenty of coyotes. I only recall a couple of times where folks have had "coy-dogs" be born.

By and large, though, the reintroduction is a Done Deal. About all that can be done is to get legislation passed that allows hunting.

As far as the impact of reintroduction on people who ranch in New Mexico, it is fact that livestock losses have increased since the program began. For some, the losses resulted in losing their ranches. There is--in practicality--no recourse in the law, and the people who have put the whole deal together bear no accountability for the harm done to others.

 

[Harve Curry]

As I understand it there is no pure genetic wolf, they all have DNA of dog in them. There was some speculation awhile back that if they weren't pure wolf being reintroduced and protected then they wern't covered br the Endangered Species Act, but somehow that was ruled out and a genetically impure wolf is a protected species.

 

[22lr]

Wolfs are a major problem in the lower states were they don't fear humans. But again we also have a problem with coyotes so..... Also ranchers arnt able to kill the wolfs that attack their herds so that's a major issue there (cows are worth a pretty penny). At least in the midwest there inst a need for wolfs. Coyotes are doing fine, and we dont have 500k populations of wild caribou (that would be kinda awesome though). Wolfs are a serious problem out here. Granted Indiana doesn't have this problem yet but I can understand why farmers are getting mad about cows getting killed. Id say let Alaska keep the wolves and ill just enjoy them from afar.

BTW nothing against Alaska, its God's best work of creation.

 

[caribou]

OK, Im in unspoiled and unfenced Alaska, and We kinda have an opposite look at the hybreed, it is "dogs" , as in Huskys, that are not 100% "dog" but part Wolf.
Back when they had a rabies or an accident, that ended in their dogteams demise,old time Eskimo's would raid Wolf lair and take the pups to pull their sled....a primitive "Bailout Plan" that could keep a guy and his sled moving.
Wolves are fairly pure, never seen them any different.

Up here we have Reindeer herds that the Wolves target, certainly. Vigulance over the stock is the only solution.Wolves dont do fences and dont read No tresspass signs, and naturally look at Beef as Meat.

I see your point totally about domestic stock...
.....its this BS about wolves being more dangerous and attacking that aint right. Evil? Thats just stupid.
Wolves often eat up what the Bears cannot in a sitting, and Bears often take food away from Wolves. Ive watched them myself feed on a Moose, and a Bear was about 20 yards off napping with a full gut.
I dont know what killed the student, but up this way, with a long tradition and interaction with both Dogs and Wolves, its Feral Dogs are the big fear, Its because wild Dogs are not at all afraid of people, and some "Chain Dogs" that get loos in a village are shot on sight. Theres more than a few deaths because of wild dogs up in alaska as well a mnore than a few scarred up kids who were set a pon...point too, Dogs and Wolves have the same print.

The hungriest Wolf laughs at the best fed Dog.

 

[ArmedBear]

Why not reintroduce some more buffalo, actually native, before introducing non-native predators from other areas? Buffalo were symbols of the West; wolves weren't. And we wiped out the buffalo; we know it, we have records of it, we have pictures of it.

Bringing Canadian wolves into Idaho, where they killed the existing native wolf population, is hardly preserving an endangered species. It's political correctness and t-shirt environmentalism taken towards their predictable destructive conclusion.

Why don't we see calls for reintroducing the Grizzly to Los Angeles or San Jose? Hell, the thing is the symbol of California, despite being extirpated from the state many years ago. Would that be too inconvenient for the Sierra Club, having predators around somewhere they actually go, instead of places they only see in pictures on calendars in their condo kitchens?

 

[dogrunner]

This thread kinda reminds me of the NY to Florida transplants that wanted "written assurance" that their newly purchased lake front home's pond was 'gator' free!

Just as our 'gator's' eat the occasional poodle or two year old whose stupid parents have fed it from their dock for years, those wolves will take the occasional domestic critter........deal with the miscreant, but wolves like these stinkin' reptiles (unlike those transplants) CAN be managed.

Come to think about it tho, I'd damned well trade you Westerners ALL the NY/NJ types we're overrun with for some wolves!......Even pay you to ship the things this way!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

[Wheeler44]

The hungriest Wolf laughs at the best fed Dog.

Caribou, soooo true. It seems, after participating in a similar thread some time ago, that folks that have actually lived around wolves have a respect for them (I grew up in SE Alaska) and others have an unnatural fear of them. Kinda reminds me of anti-gunners that way.

Oh soon enough, if you keep participating in this thread, you'll hear about small ranchers driven out of business by wolves and folks will chime in saying that they've seen "a forest of rotting elk carcasses" all killed by wolves, for sport.

So I ask you Caribou, Have you ever witnessed a "forest of 'bou carcasses, rotting on the tundra? Have you ever seen a wolf kill that wasn't cleaned up pretty good by the wolves and the ravens? Have you ever heard of wolves killing for sport and leaving their kill to rot?

Lots of folks (that have probably never even seen a wild wolf) will claim all of the above and more.

So enjoy this tread for what it is... a little Christmas fun.


Wheeler44........an admirer of the wolfs incredible hunting and survival skills.

 

[leathermanwave]

In places where I used to see tons of deer sign and plenty of deer now I can hunt all day and be lucky if I see 1 deer. What I do see a lot of is wolf sign.

I believe that wolf numbers are underestimated, the story below confirms my belief.

Recently near here there was a pack of wolfs began killing cattle. The fwp originally numbered them at 10. After tracking and killing 8 the wolfs continued business as usual. The fwp then decided that the rest of the wolfs in the pack would have to be killed, which they now claimed numbered 5. When it was all said and done they killed 27 wolfs out of a pack they claimed to number 10.

Yes, I have seen wolfs and I still believe that the only good wolf is a dead wolf.

 

[ArmedBear]

Just as our 'gator's' eat the occasional poodle or two year old whose stupid parents have fed it from their dock for years, those wolves will take the occasional domestic critter........deal with the miscreant, but wolves like these stinkin' reptiles (unlike those transplants) CAN be managed.

#1. This is not the same as people who show up and don't like the local wildlife. This would be more like, let's see, if some enviro-wackos in DC decided that there weren't enough gators, so they imported a whole mess of huge crocs from Australia and declared them endangered -- the crocs would wipe out the local gator population, and you wouldn't be allowed to shoot one in your own yard. That's what the wolf thing is like. These are NOT native wolves -- they're all dead now, their throats having been ripped out by these introduced Canadian Timberwolves.

#2. You're not allowed to deal with the miscreant. It's a Federal crime to do so.

Nobody is asking for protection from the native wolf packs. Nobody is complaining about wolves that can be "dealt with."

 

[dogrunner]

Armed Bear!

Obviously your ranchers are less imaginative, and a LOT more law abiding than some of these Florida Crackers.....I've hunted on leases with a lot of cattle and an extremely minimal gator population..........Shoot, shovel and shut up obviously didn't originate in your neck of the woods.

Still, I'd trade you, say five wolves for 15 New Yorkers.

 

[jeepmor]

Seems cliffy took some blather hook, line and sinker. Someone got some forceps, we'll need the ones that reach down the gullet a long ways to remove that hook.

 

[R00KIE]

I am all about being able to hunt another species, that would be cool.

But out here west we just have to watch them kill off the cattle with "expenses reimbursed for dead livestock so long as you can prove it was a wolf. . . so far around here, tons of dead livestock and no money back in the ranchers pockets!" little bit of a touchy subject for a few ranchers out west.

We killed em all off the ranches and farms here once before, we can do it again.

Just put those radio collars somewhere special. LOL

 

[Javelin]

OP please cite one time a wolf has attacked anyone in the United States.

Sounds like the only one crying wolf is you.

 

[mio]

i dont mind having them running around for 2 reasons.

1) i dont own cattle

2) there are very few around here. i havent seen one although twice last year my wife did on her way to college.

i do think they should give us a season on them in michigans UP though since they are out of hand there. the biggest problem they are having with them is that packs grab bird dogs. thats something a coyote wont do and i can see why those guys up there are getting so peeved.

 

[ArmedBear]

Shoot, shovel and shut up obviously didn't originate in your neck of the woods.

I thought it originated in Wyoming, but I'm not sure. I always figured it came from a place where there weren't konvenient kanyons to kick the karcass into.

I'm not saying that nobody does that... I'm saying that, if caught, he faces criminal penalties that are simply wrong.

 

[caribou]

Yaaaaaaaaaa........

going by personal observations here...

Im all for killing Wolves that are attacking Cattle, Bears and Cougers too.
Hell, hire me to shoot 'em and well call it a "Job" LOL!
Its too bad that you guys cant. Kinda like being told to not resist a rape, so "You wont get hurt".....
At least in AK, If its attacking, were shooting. If I lived where you fellas do, Id just tan it at home and hang it on a wall.

I hunt wolves now and then.
The first thing a Wolf eats is the tounge. Thn they start at the ass, and eat up under the tail, going for the fat on the haunches.
Then they tar back the belly skin, and often dont even break the intestines, and strip themm of fat, and go on eating the soft hot organs.

Some wolves eat, some watch, all get a turn.
when the eating is done, there is quite a bit left, and the wolves move off to high ground and nap, watch the kill, and eat again as soon as they can.

I watch them eat every time, because a full Wolf cant run fast or far Thats when I go after them.

Ravens and Fox eat what they can on a carcass, if the Wolves move off.

They do not kill for fun, but they dont go hungry either. Theywill have three animals down and eat them one at a time.

If you kill wolves off, others will move into the territor as fast as they find it empty. I hunt the same places, over the years, and there are always "More".

Geeee, howd that happen? Wolves make babies and they roam.

You should all be able to hunt them.

 

[Grizfire]

Imagine an unarmed hiker in a desolated area: WOLF FOOD ALA CARTE. I fear for our children playing in our own back yards.

So what! Children, as well as everyone else, need to learn a little humility. The only species that is out of control is our own.

If you can't handle nature, then maybe you should recreate at central park.

 

[leathermanwave]

So what! Children, as well as everyone else, need to learn a little humility. The only species that is out of control is our own.

We own the world! Not Wolves! Children do not need to be eaten to learn humility. Humans are way better than wolves. How would you feel if your own children were killed by wolves.

Don't take this personal but if the human race is really out of control I will give you my standard answer; feel free to bump off yourself. Or even better feed yourself to the wolfs.

 

[caribou]

Oh ya,...... well , we will be sure we kill ourselfs in front of the Wolves....they are a bit like Snakes and suspect anything they didnt kill themselfs. ~LOL!!!!!~

Really, Wolves dont kill kids, and they have certainly had the chance to do so where I live. We have resident Wolves that den up every year up the creek about 2 miles from ou summer camp, and they have never bothered us.
They did, however, kill two of our Huskys, and tore a third one up pretty bad.
Territorrial , I'm sure.


Bears , however have eaten my porrage, broken my chair and slept in my bed.
If were gonna hype up B.S. at least do it with an animal that actually has a record of hunting, killing and eating people.

This is a funny thread!