Current Choices: Double Stack Polymer .45s

Which double stack polymer .45?

  • Wilson KZ-45

    Votes: 6 2.9%
  • Kimber Ten II

    Votes: 4 1.9%
  • S&W M&P

    Votes: 16 7.8%
  • FNP 45

    Votes: 16 7.8%
  • HK USP 45

    Votes: 31 15.0%
  • Beretta PX4

    Votes: 5 2.4%
  • Glock 21

    Votes: 22 10.7%
  • Springfield XD 45

    Votes: 71 34.5%
  • EAA Witness Poly

    Votes: 4 1.9%
  • Taurus 24/7

    Votes: 31 15.0%

  • Total voters
    206
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I'm kind of bored, and since I'm considering picking up another .45 pistol this year, I thought I'd look over what's out there. I'm interested in maybe a double stack polymer .45, so I'll go over the options with you guys. I'm not considering all of the options; I simply don't like the grip frames on Glocks, for instance. But if someone else is going through the same considerations as me, perhaps this thread will be useful. I'm looking at the full sized pistols presently. All will be in .45ACP. I admit to having a preference for hammer fired guns.

So...

Glock 21

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Capacity: 13+1. This is one of the first double-stack polymer .45s. As I said, I find the grip to be incompatible with my hands.

Fabrique Nationale FNP-45

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Capacity: 14+1. This one is new from FN, just released this year. I am very fond of the FNP pistols, though I've never fired one, and am happy that it has ambidextrous controls.

Springfield Armory XD-45

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Capacity: 13+1. This one made a splash when it appeared last year. I don't like the placement of the slide release lever personally, but for a righty it wouldn't matter.

Smith & Wesson M&P 45

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Capacity: 10+1. Another pistol that debuted at SHOT Show this year. The M&P line is fairly new but seems to be well-regarded. Capacity seems low for a pistol of this type, but it may have a slimmer grip frame.

Heckler & Koch USP-45

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Capacity: 12+1. This pistol has been around for a long time as well. It had a rail for mounting a light before having one became cool. It's proprietary, but there are lights that fit and adapters for those that don't. Despite HK's overblown reputation for Superior Teutonic Engineering I actually like this gun. The flipper magazine release takes some getting used to, though, and they're expensive.

European American Armory Witness Polymer

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Capacity: 10+1. Essentially a CZ clone, the Witness is made by Tangifolio of Italy and is imported by EAA. These pistols can be had new for very low prices, and some have had very good luck with them. Unfortunately, EAA's reputation is one of the worst in the industry when it comes to customer service and repairs. It's possible they've gotten better, but I'm hesitant to do business with them personally.

Taurus PT 24/7 Pro

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Capacity: 12+1. This pistol received a "Handgun of the Year" award, and seems to have made quite a splash. Many variants are available now. The only 24/7 I've handled was a 9mm, but it had a very nice, short trigger pull.

Beretta PX4 Storm

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Capacity: 10+1. This one is new, another SHOT 2007 introduction. I don't know much about it, as even pictures of it are hard to find. Beretta hasn't put it up on their regular website yet.

Kimber Ten II

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Capacity: 13+1. This is a polymer framed, double-stack 1911 clone. I believe it uses the same magazines as most double-stack 1911s, and those are available from multiple sources. I'm not especially interested in a 1911 type presently, though, as I already have one.

Wilson KZ-45

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Capacity: 10+1. This gun was introduced during the Ban years, and uses a proprietary ten round magazine. The upshot is that Wilson claims the frame is no wider than a standard M1911 one, but you get two more rounds in a flush fitting magazine. Being a Wilson, it's bound to be expensive. I wish they made it without front cocking serrations.

Honestly, that's all I can think of right now. If there's anything I missed, bring it up and I'll edit my post to include it. Hopefully this thread will be useful to folks looking into this class of handgun.

Just for fun, I'm going to throw up a poll. If you had the choice of any of these guns (in full sized format), which would you choose?
 
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Honestly, I don't expect the Beretta, FN, or S&W to get many votes. They're so new I doubt anyone has any real experience with them.

There's an incredibly wide array of choices in handguns these days, though.s

EDIT: I predict (duh) that the XD 45 and USP 45 will come out on top. I do wonder which will prove more popular. If you like one over the other, tell us why!
 
XD45 - For now, because I know it fits me well. However, I was impresesed with the ergos and trigger pull of the FNP 9 when handling and doing a few dry fires at the dealer. I'd like to handle the FNP 45 and see how it is.
 
A lot of guys don't like the ergos of the USP 45. I was playing with one in the shop today and it seemed to fit me fine. The high bore axis might make it a bit different than shooting my Colt, but I'm used to revolvers (which have high bore axes too).

The controls, though. I LOVE the C&L option. I don't love that the decocker and the safety are the same lever. I can see in a stressful situation you mashing the safety down past fire into decock; if you hold it there you've disabled the trigger.

I think this would be more of an issue with a 1911 guy who shoots with his thumb on the safety. I don't, so it might not apply.

The other downside to the USP is the magazines. I've been spoiled probably by my $20.00 Chip McCormick magazines. USP mags run fifty dollars a pop!

The FNP .45 looks like it has the Condition One Carry option. Look at the safety in the picture; it can move up. THe Browning Pro, which is an FNP marketed by Browning, also has this feature.
 
The FNP .45 looks like it has the Condition One Carry option. Look at the safety in the picture; it can move up. THe Browning Pro, which is an FNP marketed by Browning, also has this feature.
I'm not so sure. I think it may be a decoker & manual safety like the Beretta and Ruger DA/SA autos have, just frame rather than slide mounted. I think it's that way because FN has it ready if the military ever resumes the new pistol search with its no SAO, and manual safety requirements that have been stated thus far. Also, if you look at FN's website the FNP 45 is shown only as DA/SA, while the 9s and 40s are shown as DA/SA, SAO, and DAO.

http://www.fnhusa.com/products/firearms/group.asp?gid=FNG001
 
I was just judging from the picture. It sure looks like the safety lever is three position to me. (Up SAFE, middle FIRE, down DECOCK) like the Browning Pro. You can see it more clearly in the BIG picture.

I wasn't aware there were single action only and double action only FNP variants.

You might be right, though. It doesn't seem to have the notch in the slide like the others do. I hope it isn't a silly up DECOCK/SAFE, down FIRE deal like the Bersas. Hammer down with the safety on is redundant to me.
 
It sure looks like the safety lever is three position to me.
It does look that way, and would be sweet if it was.
Hammer down with the safety on is redundant to me.
I couldn't agree more, but from the M9 on it seems that the Military's Department of Redundancy Department likes that sort of thing. :rolleyes:
 
The XD is unstoppable! The reigning champions from Austria and Germany are being left in the dust by this incredible upstart from Croatia! In all my years of narrating imaginary sporting events between inanimate objects while impersonating a sportscaster, I've never seen anything like this!
 
Where are your STI models? More capacity, more shootable design, tough as nails, reliable and accurate. Well worth the price.
 
Should have had two price ranges. The Wilson if you want to spend the money or the XD if you are finanially challenged like most of us.:)

Yep, I have a couple of pretty exspensive toys as well. We can't buy the best on every purchase though or the wife would leave us, the dog would leave us, etc. etc. etc. :evil:
 
Great thread nightcrawler, I would first like to vote for you to get bored more often to make a thread on other sub genres of auto pistols like this one. Pocket pistols, single actions, metal framed 9mms, etc. Make another one soon!

I voted for the XD45, I like the capacity, the ergonomics, the trigger, the traditional location of the magazine release, stainless steel magazines, the simplicity of operation and the price. Mine was $429, brand new.

The FNP 45 looks interesting, I'm going to look into one of those.
 
I know why the Glock isn't doing so well. The large framed Glock models just don't have great grips for a lot of shooters. Worst thing they did was put those molded-in finger grooves on there, I think. Notice you don't see those on many, if any, other polymer pistols? There's probably a reason for that.

The thing is, there's no reason for the Glock's grip to be so big. There's a hollow cavity in the backstrap, and of course the finger ridges don't need to be there. If someone wants finger grooves they can buy a $10.00 monogrip and slide it on.

Apparently this new model Glock, the 21SF, is an attempt to address this issue. I couldn't say if they accomplished that or not.
 
Voted for the 24/7! It fits me like it was made just for me! I can not say that about any on the list or any other pistol I have held for that matter

By the way you really should add the Taurus PT145 to that list
 
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