Philo_Beddoe
Member
- Joined
- Feb 10, 2009
- Messages
- 328
You could go that route but I think it would be more expensive.
I think they charge $150 to switch over and then $50 or so for the SA trigger.
CZ-75 or second 1911
- Thread starter mattlove444
- Start date
- Status
You could go that route but I think it would be more expensive.
I think they charge $150 to switch over and then $50 or so for the SA trigger.
TMann
Member
If you are like most of us, someday you will have a BHP, CZ75, and several 1911's.It is inevitable.
Got the first two. Hope to have a 1911 soon.
TMann
CZF
Member
- Joined
- Jan 6, 2003
- Messages
- 2,034
The 75SA or Shadow would be ideal if you didn't want the bigger 97B in .45 ACP.
Grips can be ground down or ordered from people like Hakan
(I think) who made slim line grips for my gun.
The 97B is big, but has delicious accuracy and very soft recoil too boot!
Only my MMC nite equipped CZ-USA tuned 75SA in .40 -could touch it for accuracy, and I had to work at it.
Those 97B owners can attest that the 97B will turn in great groups.
Grips can be ground down or ordered from people like Hakan
(I think) who made slim line grips for my gun.
The 97B is big, but has delicious accuracy and very soft recoil too boot!
Only my MMC nite equipped CZ-USA tuned 75SA in .40 -could touch it for accuracy, and I had to work at it.
Those 97B owners can attest that the 97B will turn in great groups.
yustinus1973
Member
I have had a CZ-75B for nearly five years now it was my first pistol, with more than 1600 rounds through it, and it has been very reliable. I don't shoot it as much as i should in recent years, but it was my bed side and over night travel pistol for years, with Remington hollow points, until i replaced it in that roll with my S&W 4006TSW a month ago. I like both of them though and the CZ has a special place in my safe all ways.
bikerdoc
Moderator In Memoriam
CZ 75 I have the compact and the B.
Carry cocked and locked, just like a 1911
Carry cocked and locked, just like a 1911
Quack
Member
Hmmm...I would say a 9mm 1911, but just bought a CZ75B SA the other day. I've always wanted one, but never bought one until now. The trigger was nice, but I wanted it closer to my 1911's, so I did some trigger work to it today. Now its close to the 1911, just with more pre-travel and longer reset. I have some parts on order to care of this.
Quack
Member
well i have the trigger nice and crisp like my 1911's. It's down to 2Lbs 9oz right now even with the FPB installed.
Quack, do follow up and let us know how it goes, I've noticed through some threads that you seem to have a nice collection of top-shelf 1911's, pretty sure you're going to be surprised how well a relatively "cheap" factory CZ can stack up after some trigger TLC... especially in the cases of the Shadow variants without FPB's, and in case it's not one of the things you've already ordered, you really don't know how good CZ trigger's can be until you've tried one with a CZCustoms competition hammer installed... Keep us posted.
Quack
Member
i just got my 75 sears today from CZ-USA. I should be getting my trigger and springs from CZCustom either tomorrow or Friday. I handled a 75 SA Target a month or so ago and that's what i was going to buy. From what i remember from handling it, my SA's trigger break feels similar to the Target. I should make it to the range this Saturday.
for "cheap" guns, the CZ has my old XDm (w/ Springer Precision kit) and M&P-9 Pro (with APEX kit) beat with the work that i've done to it.
for "cheap" guns, the CZ has my old XDm (w/ Springer Precision kit) and M&P-9 Pro (with APEX kit) beat with the work that i've done to it.
The 75SA Targets are nice, but you can honestly make your regular 75SA even better without a whole lot of fuss really... the Target's still have the FPB in-place, since you're tuning your own you can lose that (which is what I'm assuming you plan to do by ordering a new sear, I'm guessing you ordered up pre-B sear, if not, you should exchange it).
I'd guess you've already got the CZC SA trigger inbound and a 13lb hammer-spring, really the biggest thing though is the competition hammer, it's the best $63 you may ever spend.
The competition hammer changes the geometry of how the sear and hammer interact drastically, mostly by using a higher sear-bed (not just shorter hooks), and CZ sears are only case hardened so they don't really get stoned too much just lightly polished with 600-1500 grit and/or maybe some Flitz or Brasso, doing trigger-jobs on them is quite a bit different than what you're probably familiar with in the case of 1911 trigger jobs; stoning their sears ala 1911-style will just lead to you having to do it over again soon, as the metal under the case-hardening is really soft. The new hammer and lighter hammer-spring really does 90% of it, it's not really a stoning/angle-thing...
Your 75SA with a 13lb hammer-spring, CZC competition hammer, no FPB, and CZC SA trigger with the pre and over-travel set will have about <3mm of total travel: maybe 1.0 - 1.5mm take-up, crisp-break, next to zero over-travel, 1.0mm reset and you should end up with a no BS 2.0 - 2.5lb trigger pull before polishing, if you polished the sides of the trigger bow and stoned and polished the sides of the hammer expect to be closer to 1.5lbs! When you're finished that SA's trigger should rival that of your best 1911's (and likely be better than some of them).
PM me if I can be of any help and good luck, keep us posted.
Last edited:
Quack
Member
yep, i have a pre-B sear as well as a spare B sear.
i already changed the geometry of the sear and lowered the height of the hammer hooks. The hammer hooks only engage part of the sear and not the full length like it did when it's stock. I only took a small portion off the sear to square it off and did not touch the angle of the hammer.
my trigger is right at 2.5#'s right now (2Lbs 9oz to be exact) with the FPB still installed. I just have to get rid of the pre-travel, but that will come with the hammer. I know that the pre-B sear will give me a short reset.
i already changed the geometry of the sear and lowered the height of the hammer hooks. The hammer hooks only engage part of the sear and not the full length like it did when it's stock. I only took a small portion off the sear to square it off and did not touch the angle of the hammer.
my trigger is right at 2.5#'s right now (2Lbs 9oz to be exact) with the FPB still installed. I just have to get rid of the pre-travel, but that will come with the hammer. I know that the pre-B sear will give me a short reset.
cool, sounds like you're on your way.
I'll poke you one more time about the CZC competition hammer though, at first I went the same way you have by re-profileing the hammer and sear and had gotten mine to a state where near anyone was like "wow", then later I shot a tricked out SP-01 that had been elevated to Shadow-spec and was surprised by how crispy it was in comparison, the hammer was the difference. Since you're familiar: picture the back of the sear-cage resting in a state that's more "pinched" or "closed" than it is in the state you're dealing with, the sear sits up higher giving it a far shorter distance to move to break the angle with the hammer-hooks, yet it is also held rock-steady stable since it's engaging fully with the hooks which are cut to the same exact height as the sear face without any looseness or extra mass... Point is there is only so much you can do by re-profiling, re-shaping or otherwise removing material, the reason the competition hammer is so kick-ass is that it has added material in the sear-bed area changing a dimension of the geometry one cannot otherwise. (plus you can leave all the case-hardening intact reproducing the crispness and trigger that lasts that we're used to with tool steel sears and hammers)
Besides, if you try one and don't think it's better than your hammer/sear it'll only take you about 10 minutes to get rid of it in the czforum or benos classifieds!
Guess it's one of those "Hear me now, believe me later" type of things...
Quack
Member
I installed the adjustable trigger and 13# spring this morning. 2lbs (10 pull average), with the FPB and original (modified) sear. Feels pretty similar to my STI Edge, it just has more pre-travel (due to the FPB) and over-travel, but the break is just as clean. I'm going to hopefully make it to the range tomorrow to try it out.
Last edited:
Quack
Member
well this morning i wanted to see what the trigger and reset were like without the FPB, so i worked on my pre-B sear, removed the FPB and adjusted the pre-travel screw. now i'm down to a 1Lb 3oz trigger (10 pull average). now i just have to finish my "honey do" list and make it to the range today.
so to recap here's where the SA is at right now.
modified hammer
modified pre-b sear
FPB removed
13# mainspring
SOA trigger
polishing
so to recap here's where the SA is at right now.
modified hammer
modified pre-b sear
FPB removed
13# mainspring
SOA trigger
polishing
Quack
Member
nope, i got rid of both.
Overkilll0084
Member
+1 on the Witness Match. I was looking for a CZ 97, but ended up w/ a .45 Witness Match. Compared to an equivalently configured 1911, they're practically giving them away. It's every bit as accurate as my SA trophy Match for less than 1/2 the price. I would imagine that the 9 mm version would be nice as well.
NMGonzo
Member
I have a 1911 and a CZ because I always wanted one.
- Status
