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CZ 75b or 1911?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by GarMan, Apr 4, 2011.

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  1. Winkman822

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    Since the hunting thing seems to have ironed itself out (you carry a 30-30 as a primary), you can't go wrong with the CZ or the 1911, but I'd go for the 1911.

    Insofar as what 1911, that really comes down to personal preferance/needs. If you want a 'modern' 1911, go with a Springfield Loaded or a Colt Combat Elite for a full sized gun or a Colt XSE Commander of Springfield Loaded Champion for something compact. If you want a more stripped down basic 1911, get a Springfield Mil-Spec or a Colt Series 70 reproduction for a full sized gun or a Colt Commander or Springfield GI Champion for a compact gun. The toughest part of buying a 1911 is determining which one to get.
     
  2. AndyC

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    Buy whichever feels best in your hand first - then buy the other one later, because both are excellent designs :)
     
  3. Xfire68

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    Well now that the OP has cleared that up I would go with a CZ 75B!

    Here is a bone stock gun with a Houge grip and a 0.25$ trigger job!

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  4. ROBBY.1911

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    now i'm curious

    i have 10 1911s, in .45, .38 super and 9mm. i would feel good with any one of them. i have a CZ 75b single action on layaway and i am anxious to hear anything about them. the picture on this on this thread gets me going.
     
  5. Franco2shoot

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    Check out Rock Island for a .45 in 1911 format. As for Hog shooting... Ruger .44 mag and you punch holes in paper with .44 special for practice.


    KKKKFL
     
  6. millertyme

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    Lots of good opinions. I have a 75B DA/SA and I never carry it in DA, always C/L. The DA trigger is pretty long and, although it gets better with age, starts out a little rough. I wouldn't forgo the DA/SA for a straight SA model, though. I have a 13# mainspring and sometimes have to double-strike a primer on cheaper ammo. Not often and almost rarely, but enough to make me glad I have the DA to do so with. I haven't handled the SA only model so I can't speak for it at all, but if the trigger is anywhere near as good as the SA trigger on my 75B then it's going to be pretty amazing.

    As for the 1911 camp, I've never owned one, I've handled several, and they do nothing for me. Nothing wrong with the gun and nothing wrong with the round. It is what it is and I prefer 9mm out of my CZ75B.
     
  7. Leaky Waders

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    It's 2011...if you don't have a 1911 in your stable after 100 years of continuous production then it's time to start. Don't let the next 100 years pass you by without one.

    I prefer the ponies but others work just as fine.

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  8. dcarch

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    Either one is great. I personally have a Kimber Custom II, but if money is an issue, go with the CZ. By the way, I would at least take a look at the CZ 97B http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-97-b/ , since it's a .45 with the CZ's ergonomics. I would also check out the Witness Elite Match here:http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/231/products_id/54978, which can also be had in 9mm, .45, and 10mm. Check out all your options. If you like the CZ's feel, but don't like the 9mm, there are other options available. The 1911 is a classic, however, and it fits me very well. Go with what you like. Don't rule out the Witnesses based on internet hearsay, though. They are a fantastic bang for your buck. Have fun!
     
  9. yhtomit

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    If I could have only one of these, I'd go for the Cz. In fact, of these two guns, that's the one I *do* have :) (I have some others, but not yet a 1911.)

    One day, I would like a 1911, but not yet. You can read on this very board lots of opinions about why a particular 1911 won't go through a magazine without jamming, about how the design requires hand-fitting and attention because at the time it was made, human labor was very cheap, how this or that brand of 1911 is "junk," etc. That doesn't mean that the average, run-of-the-mill 1911 isn't actually reliable, but I very rarely hear of problems with Cz-75s :)

    Also, if it matters to you, 9mm is a lot cheaper than .45!

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  10. rmorgan

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    45 or 9mm

    hard choice. i love my Springfield 45 XD, it just fits my hands - everyone calls them 'baby bear paws'. but so does the CZ75B, and talk about a pleasure to shoot.

    save more money and buy both.

    BUT DON'T GO WALKING ABOUT WITH EITHER AS PRIMARY WEAPON FOR FERAL HOGS. YOU'LL ONLY GET HURT.
     
  11. The Lone Haranguer

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    Other than Colt, all 1911s are copies, while the CZ75 is the original. For all the 1911's positive attributes, I am still looking for one that is reliable (one Colt and two copies were dreadful). The CZ products I own or have owned performed flawlessly. The only areas where the CZ75 doesn't match a good 1911 are slenderness and trigger pulls.
     
  12. Furncliff

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    I have both. Shot them both today. If I had to give one up it would be a very tough decision. With a budget around $500 you can get either. The CZ cost me about $350 used 7 years ago. I have an RIA 1911 tactical, (they run about $420 new). The RIA been very good to me, and I have considered getting the RIA in 9mm, except the CZ is such an outstanding 9 that it would seem redundant. I like the Kadet conversion that allows me to shoot .22LR from the CZ and I use it a lot since the change over only takes 15 seconds. There are .22 conversions for the 1911 also. Shooting the .45 is 2 1/2 - 3 times more expensive than the 9mm. I think that would tip me toward recommending the CZ75b as a first buy, with the 1911 on a short list.

    This site list the RIA .45 1911 tactical for $419

    http://www.centerfiresystems.com/AC-RI1911TACA.aspx



    This company specializes in Cz, especially pistols.They have the 75b listed at $462

    http://czcustom.com/CZ-75B-PolyCoat-9mm_91102.aspx


    ps. If you buy new expect the trigger on the Cz to be in need of some attention to get it tuned up. The RIA tactical model will need no work. Mine came out of the box with a fantastic trigger pull.
     
  13. NMGonzo

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    Thank me later.
     
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    I am saving up my pennies for this CZ...the Czechmate...

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  15. cpirtle

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    Personally, I don't think either is what I'd call a good starter gun unless you are willing to commit to the system and practice a lot. I say this knowing full well I may get flamed but I don't mean it to incite any anger ;)

    On the CZ you have the change in action from the first shot to follow-up shots. This stumps a lot of new shooters and almost always guarantee's the first shot is off (especially under stress) until the system is mastered. Can lead to a lot of frustration.

    With the 1911 IMO you need to commit to condition 1 carry or go home. I see way too many people buy a 1911 because of the mystique and won't carry it cocked and locked or sometimes even with one in the pipe. Again, if you get one master it and learn that the gun is completely safe in a good holster with the hammer cocked and the safety on.

    Muscle memory is worth a million in a tense situation.

    I had a CZ 75b for a few years and it was a fine gun, I'm a huge fan of 1911's and as centerfire pistols go I pretty much only have revolvers and 1911's anymore. But for new or casual shooters I generally recommend striker fired, DAO or revolvers.

    Again, JMO
     
  16. aubie515

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    I've had multiples of both...I like the 1911s much better...CZs are heavy to carry all day long....I have no issue carrying a government model.

    All boils down to personal preference.
     
  17. dcarch

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    No way I'm gonna flame you, cpirtle. I like the 1911 and the CZ platform myself, but you have raised some very good and valid points about other models. That's what The High Road is all about.
     
  18. gym

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    45 is fine, although most recommend a 357 for hogs. My marine sniper bud bought a 44 mag 6 inch for this exact plan, and was told by some good old boys it wasn't necessary. A 10 mm would also be a good choice a 9mm not so much, you won't get the penetration and expansion, so you will have to settle for 1 or the other. That's not optimal. Now some young competition shooters just laugh at all this and recommend a 22, or a pen knife. It depends on your tracking abilitys and hunting skills. Since I like to keep my legs I go the old fashioned way with a guy holding a slug gun in back just in case. If big bertha comes out I aint screwing with a pistol round. Gimme the shotgun. Reminds me of when my uncles went for Moose in Canada with and Indian guide, they had all their custom stuff, uncle mike the marine was also a gunsmith, the guide looked at them like they were all crazy. He used a 22 on a moose. Uncle Mike didn't understand how that was possible, the guide said I am very quiet, i am an indian, I sneak up and shoot him in the ear. So smoke em if you got em..
     
  19. Wade Wilson

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    The better question is which one will you buy first...
     
  20. AndyC

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    Not true.

    The first shot is single-action after racking the slide as the hammer is obviously cocked during the process. Double-action for the first shot only comes into the picture if the hammer has been manually lowered after getting the chamber loaded in the first place.

    In other words, a double-action first shot with a CZ75 is a conscious, deliberate choice on the part of the shooter.
     
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    Absolutely. One of the virtues of the CZ-75B is that you can carry it cocked-and-locked (Condition 1) like a 1911, or you can carry it hammer-down on a loaded chamber (Condition 2) like a traditional DA/SA hi-cap pistol.
     
  22. Jed Carter

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    1911 for the price of a CZ 75B, STI Spartan starts at around $628, will have better sights, grips and trigger than the CZ. The Spartan is available in 9mm, .45ACP so take your pick. http://www.dawsonprecision.com/ProductDetail.jsp?LISTID=80000AE1-1263828368 For less than the price of the CZ you can get a Rock Island in .45 or 9mm http://www.centerfiresystems.com/1911.aspx The CZ is nice but the sights and trigger are lacking I have several 1911s and a CZ 75D PCR, the CZ shoots OK the 1911s all shoot Great.
     
  23. cpirtle

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    Sorry, I stand corrected. Been a while since I had my CZ and I thought it had a de-cocker.
     
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    No worries - the CZ-75BD versions do, as do several flavors of the Compact (PCR, P01, et al.). The regular CZ-75B version does not.
     
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