CZ75 BD Range Report

[StrutStopper]

Finally got to the range with my new CZ75 BD. Fired maybe 150 or so rounds. The first couple of magazines were factory Tul-Ammo Brass Maxx. Very accurate, most rounds went into the red at 10 yards, and the ones that didn't were definitely my fault. I then shot my first 9mm reloads. Very happily put all 20 into the red, using a dirty bird silhouette target.

After shooting up the only reloads I brought, I went back to the Tul-ammo. Then, much to my dissapointment, I experienced several failure to fire incidents. I was loading 5 rounds at a time in each magazine. The last round in one mag went "click." I ejected the round and noticed no marks on the primer whatsoever. I loaded the one round back into the mag and it went bang. This happened again another time. I think it may have been the same magazine. Again, upon reloading the single bullet, it went bang. It happened a third time, again, last round in the magazine. I loaded this bullet into the magazine again, click. click. click. each time placing it back into the mag, not simply leaving the round chambered and shooting double action. I gave this round to a friend who loaded it into his Beretta M9 and it went bang.

I shot the last few rounds I had thru my PCR ( I love that gun!) At this point, I don't know if the BD doesn't like the Tul-Ammo, if I have a magazine issue, or if there is an issue with the gun. I'm sure the gun is okay, its probably one of the other options, just not sure which, probably magazine related. I did give the gun a good initial cleaning/lube a week or two back, just that weather and other issues have prevented me from getting to the range before today. Not too concerned unless things get much worse. Planning to use this as a range gun only. If I ever work out the problem, it may get night stand duty, but not until then.

 

[CNobbe]

Tul-ammo isn't the greatest stuff in the world, I'd try another brand and see what happens. I have a feeling its more ammo related than anything, but could be something else.

 

[StrutStopper]

Tul-ammo isn't the greatest stuff in the world, I'd try another brand and see what happens. I have a feeling its more ammo related than anything, but could be something else.

Agree, its all I had though. I plan to shoot mostly reloads, but I suppose trying different factory loads would be a good idea.

 

[MIL-DOT]

Sucks you're having issues, that is an odd one. As has been mentioned, just avoid that stuff, you should be GTG.
I lucked into a pristine 75BD on one of our local classified sites a few months ago, and that thing is amazing. I like to fire as wide a range of ammo as I have available, when breaking in a new toy. I've fired it with wal-mart bulk Federal and Winchester, Federal aluminum, Ga. Arms re-loads, Fiocchi, steel Wolf, and even some steel Tula, and it ate it all up. I shot more accurately with this pistol than any other new pistol I ever owned.
Hopefully yours will settle down, they're awesome pistols.

 

[nebeel]

One thing you might try as well is to try the same ammo and mag in your PCR and see if it runs fine. Since the PCR will use the same mags (they'll stick out a little) it's something I've used to weed out magazine vs gun issues.

 

[CZ9shooter]

My BD is the only semi auto that I have owned that has never faultered once. I have never purchased Tula myself, but I have witnessed it cause problems in friends' guns. Thus, I stay away from it.

 

[71velle]

Tula ammo has given me and some shooting buddies a hard time. Dont use that ammo to make any conclusions.

 

[StrutStopper]

I was thinking the same thing, but a little too late. Ran out of that ammo already. I know it isn't the greatest ammo but the PCR ate it up. This is gonna bug me until I get back to the range. Guess I better get to reloading some 9mm!

 

[Thompsoncustom]

After shooting up the only reloads I brought, I went back to the Tul-ammo. Then, much to my dissapointment, I experienced several failure to fire incidents. I was loading 5 rounds at a time in each magazine. The last round in one mag went "click." I ejected the round and noticed no marks on the primer whatsoever. I loaded the one round back into the mag and it went bang. This happened again another time. I think it may have been the same magazine. Again, upon reloading the single bullet, it went bang. It happened a third time, again, last round in the magazine. I loaded this bullet into the magazine again, click. click. click. each time placing it back into the mag, not simply leaving the round chambered and shooting double action. I gave this round to a friend who loaded it into his Beretta M9 and it went bang.

Hmm this is a interesting one. Most of the time I would say ammo because if it doesn't fire the first time but does the second it points to the primer not being seated all the way.

What's concerning is that you had a round with no primer mark and one that you tired to fire multiple times and than fired it fine in a different gun.

First thing I would do is pull the firing pin and make sure there is no damage to the end of it, next would be to make sure that the firing pin is clearing the firing pin block. There's a couple different ways to do this but the main focus of this is to make sure the firing pin can be depressed all the way as soon as the hammer breaks. You might find a couple zip tie's for the trigger and hammer can be very useful. Otherwise if it's purely a range gun you can just remove the block all together and cross that off the list.

 

[CNobbe]

Hard to say yet really, when I bought my first 1911 I bought a couple boxes of Tulammo, 45 acp. Some people at the range were probably wondering what the heck I was doing shooting cheap steel or aluminum cased ammo out of a new Kimber, but the fact was the gun went through 200 rounds of it without a malfunction. Having owned several CZ pistols, my common sense says its an ammo issue, but it's always possible a gun leaves the factory with an issue.

Interested to hear how your next range trip goes.

 

[StrutStopper]

Update

Got to the range today. Shot 50 rounds of WWB and 150 rounds of reloads without any issues. I'm gonna call last week's issues ammo related and not worry about it unless it happens again. Here are the last 50 rounds of reloads at 10 yards.

 

[chris in va]

If it happens again, take the barrel out and drop the offending round in the chamber vertically. If the case head sticks up above the top lug, it's not fully chambering and you can thank the gun's firing pin block for saving your bacon.

 

[JeeperCreeper]

If it happens again, take the barrel out and drop the offending round in the chamber vertically. If the case head sticks up above the top lug, it's not fully chambering and you can thank the gun's firing pin block for saving your bacon.

If there is an ammo issue, this would be the reason you aren't seeing firing pin strikes on the primer.

I have never had a problem with Brass Max, I find it much better than regular steel Tula that has given me problems. So I wouldn't chalk it up to the ammo without investigating further.

Is it possible that your reloads are using dirty powder like Unique?? It might gum up the firing pin somehow... at least that's what happens with my reloads. Or maybe there was just some crud you might have missed in your initial cleaning. Euro Pistols are famous for being doused in greasy oil.

I would buy another $20 for a 100 box of Brass Max and try it again with different magazines to see if you can replicate it, to point out a flaw with seating of a particular mag or the ammo being rotten in a CZ.

 

[StrutStopper]

Reloads were with HP-38. It is possible I missed some crud initially, but I did give it a good cleaning after shooting last week so if crud was the issue, it isn't anymore. I may pick up another box of the brass max if I see it again, they didn't have much 9mm anything yesterday. If it happens again, I will try the plunk test. At the moment, all I have are the two magazines it came with, I still need to pick up a few more.

 

[JeeperCreeper]

I think that's a good plan. It's rare for a CZ to have problems so I wouldn't think the worst of the pistol just yet. If I could only have 1 pistol, it'd be a CZ