Czech gun maker refused to provide Royal Museum in Leeds with their firearm due to British gun contr

[drobs]

That's not my point, Drobs. Refusing to sell (not give away, sell) your "precious" gun to a museum that specializes in weapons and it's staff do the best they can to spread gun culture and knowledge in the current anti-gun UK reality is simply rude in my book. BTW, I believe that the real problem was the paperwork involved in importing that gun to England and no one wanted to bother... It's quite easy for us to say: "Screw those Brits!" but let me tell you something - I have close friends there who are very pro-gun and they work hard every day to share their knowledge. That picture I have attached? It's from a private collection and the owner repeatedly invites students from local schools to be educated, to learn how to care for those firearms, to simply try to make them more interested in firearm history and to see, that guns are not necessary "evil". At his expense. Those people need all of our support for what they are trying to do and being rude and arrogant is, to put it simply, just stupid.

Here is just one project from the Royal Armouries Museum - doesn't seem anti-gun to me, but what do I know...

https://royalarmouries.org/projects...-arms-factory-enfield-roll-of-honour-project/

You really think this is a true story?
Why would a museum in England want a modern BP Derringer? Sounds completely made up to me.

Edited to add looking at their collection of guns - a modern Derringer could fit right in there.

Little known fact, but England does still "allow" civilian ownership of firearms.

 

[Snejdarek]

Not that it has any bearing on either the validity of a request to add it to a collection, or the reasoning why a company may refuse that request...but could you give us some examples of "one reason or another?"

Getting a firearms license is straightforward process, but it is still a process. For someone who is not really interested in firearms and wants to have "something" useful other than knife to defend themselves with, this a way to go. If someone decides they want a concealed carry firearm today it will take them about two months to get there, through an exam that requires effort to pass. Or they can just go to the gun shop, buy this, learn to operate it and be armed by the days' end. Czech Republic is a world apart as regards public safety from UK or US, so for many, this will do the job.

Then there is the other market, which are people who can't get a CC license for one reason or other. Recently police keeps finding those in pockets of drug dealers or other youngsters (typically graffiti sprayers, we are really talking about finding them during random arrests, no real "gun crime" to talk about) so the proposal of new firearms act (expected 2022) will make them subject to registration and having clean criminal record.

 

[drobs]

This is meant as an actually effective self defense weapon for people who do not have a firearms license for one reason or another. It is over the counter no questions asked piece that anyone can carry concealed. This is why they can command a premium. They have also .45 model that is cheaper. They introduced this one due to popular demand for a black powder derringer that would have sufficient stopping power.

Proposal for new firearms law sets higher requirements for these guns - clean criminal record, registrations.

An expensive one at that.
Seems the French ship Cap & Ball revolvers all over Europe.
https://www.westernguns.fr/armes-de-poing-4

 

[Snejdarek]

It's kind of like a UK suppressor manufacturer refusing to sell to a Czech Republic company because of how tightly restricted suppressors are in the Czech Republic.

Will be shall issue by 2022. Possibe sooner if the EU forces us to roll out the new law faster.

 

[Snejdarek]

Seems the French ship Cap & Ball revolvers all over Europe.
https://www.westernguns.fr/armes-de-poing-4

Those aren't over-the-counter in the EU.

 

[lysanderxiii]

They haven't been vocal at all, as far as I know. And why should they? They are a neutral repository and source of information.

Maybe they shouldn't be neutral. Maybe they should try and preserve the present as well as the past.

 

[theotherwaldo]

Please read the original post more carefully:

United Kingdom has extremely restrictive firearms legislation which we consider unjust and harmful to citizens of your beautiful country. Thereby our company decided not to conduct business with any official British institutions and to not provide them with any of our products.

Should you be interested in our products, you can purchase them as any other adult person within the territory of the Czech Republic.

Refusing to deal with an institution is not the same as refusing to deal with an individual.

 

[Lycidas Janwor]

Uh-oh, a small Czech company refuses to sell it's ridiculously prized ($660) black powder cap and ball derringer to a museum, that has nothing to do with UK's present gun laws? Sure, why not - we live in a free world after all.

P.S. You know, just call me when you stumble upon such private collection in Czech republic, OK?

A small part of it:
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My understanding is they are not donating the pistol to the museum, instead, they said the museum can purchase the pistol if they want it in their collection? Also, I applaud this Czech company.

Edit: I misread the OP. The statement from the gun manufacturer is a little confusing. I think they are saying they would donate the gun but due to the Brits gun laws, they won't donate the gun, nor will they sell one to the museum. The only way the museum will get one of these guns is if they buy one, in the Czech Republic, like any other person?